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== Question Mark? ==

This has already most likely been discussed, but why on Earth are we not making pages for the newer moves that have been discovered? ''We'' know what they do and the ''Dojo!!'' confirmed them. Even if we don't have pictures, we should get them soon enough… there's nothing to hide on Smash Bros. Dojo move and final smash-wise. [[Image:Shineget!.png|18px]] [[User:Parayoshi|<span style="color: green">Para Yoshi</span>]] [[Image:Parayoshiicon.jpg|20px]] <sup>[[User talk:Parayoshi|<tt>Wahoo!</tt>]]</sup> [[Image:Mommy!.png|30px]] 09:59, 26 January 2008 (EST)

We only know the names, so  that's all were including. Wait for 6 day, k. [[User:HyperToad|HyperToad]] ;)

:If you know what the move does, you are free to make the page. But like Hyper said, we (or at least I) don't know what the moves do. If you do know their effect you are welcome to ake the pages. <span style="font-family:verdana; color:#red;"><font size="5">'''[[User:Paper Jorge|P]]'''aper '''Jorge'''</font></span><small> ( [[User talk:Paper Jorge|Talk]]<tt>&middot;</tt>[[Special:Contributions/Paper Jorge|Contributions]]<tt>&middot;</tt></small> '''Paper Jorge''' was here at 10:30, 26 January 2008 (EST)
::Okay, I understand. Thanks! [[Image:Shineget!.png|18px]] [[User:Parayoshi|<span style="color: green">Para Yoshi</span>]] [[Image:Parayoshiicon.jpg|20px]] <sup>[[User talk:Parayoshi|<tt>Wahoo!</tt>]]</sup> [[Image:Mommy!.png|30px]] 14:01, 26 January 2008 (EST)
:::Sorry for double-posting, but what if I have a [brawlcentral.com reliable source] that has told me what the moves do (I have played a demo, therefore knowing Pit's and Ike's moves already)? Can I make pages for those moves if they come from Brawl Central? [[Image:Shineget!.png|18px]] [[User:Parayoshi|<span style="color: green">Para Yoshi</span>]] [[Image:Parayoshiicon.jpg|20px]] <sup>[[User talk:Parayoshi|<tt>Wahoo!</tt>]]</sup> [[Image:Mommy!.png|30px]] 19:45, 28 January 2008 (EST)

== Characters select screen complete..? ==

In [http://www.gametrailers.com/player/29966.html?type=mov this video] from Gametrailers appears the following screenshot with the character selection screen. I think is a very bad fake, specially if u look the 2D artworks along the 3D official arts... but, indeed, i put the pic if it's necessary for something... we can considere it real? fake?--[[User:Caith Sith|Caith Sith]] 08:55, 27 January 2008 (EST)
::::::<font size=4>'''FAKE'''</font>

[[image:Brawlposiblefakeroster.jpg]]
:It is very much fake. If you look at all other sources, they feature Zelda and Sheik in the same selection window. Also, there's no reason for them to completely rearrange the characters on the screen when you unlock more. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 09:14, 27 January 2008 (EST)
::Ok :P Delete it if you can...--[[User:Caith Sith|Caith Sith]] 09:27, 27 January 2008 (EST)
:::Why? We'd better be prepared if others come and claim it is real. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 09:30, 27 January 2008 (EST)

== Release Preparations ==
As seen above, fake rosters and information is exploding on YouTube, which is a major problem. The Dojo will most likely not post the full cast including unlockables after the release, which makes the internet our only source. I propose full-protecting the page a day before the release to the day after which prevents the worst spam and gives us time to get ''reliable sources''.

This is the latest '''official roster''':<br>
[[Image:BrawlScreenDemo.jpg|320px]]<br>
This is a '''reliable source''':<br>
http://www.brawlcentral.com/images/news/2008_01_22(2).jpg<br>
This is '''FAKE''':<br>
[[image:Brawlposiblefakeroster.jpg|320px]]<br>

'''How to identify a fake roster?'''
Fake rosters are commonly pretty easy to determine, as creators are not professionals and forget certain tidbits.
#The image is shown from front, not filmed from the screen like #2, and there is no actual "movie", like a player moving the character selection hand over the icons - also, in the still image, no player has selected an unrevealed character. This makes creating fakes more easy.
#Fake rosters which dozens of character scale down the icons of the official roster to make all their surprises fit in - this never happens in the actual game. We have our official starting roster revealed in #2, and it is unlikely that those icons will scale down as more characters get unlocked.
#Fakers use wrong images - the above fake image #3 shows Zelda alone in her box - while the official roster has Sheik in the same box as well. If you can also make out past official artwork images in the roster, it is fake as well - currently, all Brawl characters have an image in a stance they have not shown before, all poses are unique to Brawl. If the picture of a "newcomer" looks cut out from previous Nintendo art, it can't be correct. Check out for Brawl's graphical style, it's unique and very detailed. In fake #3, Bowser Jr. on the top left doesn't match with this style, his colors are too intense.
Please keep a clear head when determining fakes out there. - Do not edit the list of characters before we have determined the credibility of your source. All new information goes onto the talk page first. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 13:54, 27 January 2008 (EST)

:Yes, we better look out for fake pictures. Also, I support the full protection. It's just going to get spammy and fake-y. <span style="font-family:verdana; color:#red;"><font size="5">'''[[User:Paper Jorge|P]]'''aper '''Jorge'''</font></span><small> ( [[User talk:Paper Jorge|Talk]]<tt>&middot;</tt>[[Special:Contributions/Paper Jorge|Contributions]])<tt>&middot;</tt></small>

Maybe full protection could be a good idea, but we should definitely unprotect one day before JPN release. About the fake image and rising speculation, it would be best to describe it here. On a side note, when removing [[Template:Newsubject]], please update the article as well, removing terms like "will be" and "upcoming" in the articles with the template.{{User:Knife/sig}} 15:46, 27 January 2008 (EST)
:Template:Newsubject has a note attached to it which is underlined and says that the template ''<u>stays</u>'' until the article has been updated. So within the first days, we shouldn't remove anything.
:Also, I said it should be protected at exactly the time of the release, where they will be the most spam and unconfirmed info. Before or after the protection wouldn't make much sense. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 15:49, 27 January 2008 (EST)
::I believe, ET USA, from noon on 1/30 to noon 1/31 is good for a full protection time. In Japan that's like at 5-6am 1/31 to 2/1. {{User:Wayoshi/sig}} 16:28, 27 January 2008 (EST)

:::On second thought, it doesn't seem like a good idea. We've never had to take these many precautions for any pre-game releases and I think we are overestimating the potential vandalism for this page. Semi-protection is enough to keep those new spammers out, at least for a while. But it is definitely not worth removing other regular users right to expand this page in fear of vandals. And if it does get heavily vandalized, we can always sort things out later. I know there will be vandalism that day, but not as much vandalism as you guys are thinking about.{{User:Knife/sig}} 19:45, 27 January 2008 (EST)
::That's possibly true. I wouldn't be able to do it after Wayoshi's plan anyway, it would be around midnight for me. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 09:50, 28 January 2008 (EST)

== Wind Waker character design ==

{{LLquote|Right. The development for Smash Bros. Melee began soon after the GameCube was released and we had to design each character from scratch. This time, however, we were able to borrow characters from various development teams, which was a big help. Take The Wind Waker and Twilight Princess from the Zelda series for example. We were able to design the Smash Bros. characters by adapting them just as they were modeled for the original titles.|[[Masahiro Sakurai]]|[http://us.wii.com/iwata_asks/ssbb/vol5_page3.jsp Wii.com - Iwata Asks: Super Smash Bros. Brawl, vol. 5, page 3]}}

It's pretty obvious in here that they have designed a Wind Waker character - just leaves the question whether playable or assist trophy, unlikely cut-out when he mentions it now. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 11:57, 28 January 2008 (EST)

I think is a Link alt. costume. {{User:Xluidi/sig|that the reason}}
:Well, it's not like I'm going "ZOMG Wind Waker link confirmed", they are talking about regular trophies after all, and this whole interview wouldn't reveal something big, they're not serious enough to do that, they're laughing all the time. But they have some very interesting tidbits, like confirming Jeff as Assist Trophy, or that they wanted to include Final Smashes in the N64 Smash Bros. It's definitely worth reading. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 12:50, 28 January 2008 (EST)
::I wouldn't suspect yet that it is anything more than the Wind Waker Link trophy we saw.  If you noticed, it was cell shaded and all of that good stuff, so that could be what he's talking about.  Still, I would like to, in the near future, read Iwata Asks and create a separate "Developement" section for the article. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 19:24, 28 January 2008 (EST)
:::Put this stage and character on the list. [http://up2.viploader.net/pic/src/viploader570850.jpg]{{unsigned|Lanky kong}}
::::Without a serious source, no. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 14:52, 29 January 2008 (EST)

== Wait a second… ==

Brawl central says SSBB will cover 128 blocks! That can't be right! Can it? [[Image:Shineget!.png|18px]] [[User:Parayoshi|<span style="color: green">Para Yoshi</span>]] [[Image:Parayoshiicon.jpg|20px]] <sup>[[User talk:Parayoshi|<tt>Wahoo!</tt>]]</sup> [[Image:Mommy!.png|30px]] 19:47, 28 January 2008 (EST)

[http://gonintendo.com/?p=34360#comments Unfortunately yes.]{{User:Knife/sig}} 20:08, 28 January 2008 (EST)

:This means that they put WAY too much stuff in the game. <span style="font-family:verdana; color:#red;"><font size="5">'''[[User:Paper Jorge|P]]'''aper '''Jorge'''</font></span><small> ( [[User talk:Paper Jorge|Talk]]<tt>&middot;</tt>[[Special:Contributions/Paper Jorge|Contributions]])<tt>&middot;</tt></small>

Honestly, your right Jorge, there's so much stupid stuff that really isn't needed. [[User:HyperToad|HyperToad]]
:Well it must certainly be good. Also, could someone answer my question in the first topic? [[Image:Shineget!.png|18px]] [[User:Parayoshi|<span style="color: green">Para Yoshi</span>]] [[Image:Parayoshiicon.jpg|20px]] <sup>[[User talk:Parayoshi|<tt>Wahoo!</tt>]]</sup> [[Image:Mommy!.png|30px]] 22:26, 28 January 2008 (EST)

== MARTH's in BRAWL, NO doubt YO ==
See here!
http://gonintendo.com/?p=34382#more-34382
And here, at 1 45
http://gonintendo.com/?p=34381#comments

There's no denying with that footage that he is indeed IN and likely playable.  
P.S, Ness also :lol:[[User:Fixitup|Fixitup]]

I also obtained this you guys...[[http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/4047/luigixl9.png]] [[User:Fixitup|Fixitup]]
:Yo, thanks for this, Fixit! This is great news, thanks for helping us out! =) {{User:Pokemon DP/sig}}

It's gold!! P.S Although I beleive the Luigi and Marth stuff from before is real, I believe this image may be fake. Doesnt mean ness isnt in though... [[http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/3775/nessluigimarthhc2.png]] [[User:Fixitup|Fixitup]]
:Oh well, still helpful. It does look like those three are in the game, regardless of if that pic is fake or not. This is great news, thanks! {{User:Pokemon DP/sig}}

More Luigi stuff. Lol, you're gonna run out of words DP. :D [[http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/4706/realselctmh2.png]] [[http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/6223/apprbp8.png]] P.s Fixed links Im working my fingers to the bone here! [[User:Fixitup|Fixitup]]

Is this new? [[http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/3889/stageinfoqb7.png]] [[User:Fixitup|Fixitup]]

Hey, i noticed in that last screen shot sonic wasn't in this but Olimar is, either this is fake, or you hafta unlock him...

{{User:Master Crash/sig}}
:Sonic and Snake have been confirmed to be unlockable. {{User:Pokemon DP/sig}}

So far Ness, Luigi, Marth, and Capatain Falcon are confirmed to be unlockable characters.[[User:Fixitup|Fixitup]]
:Where was the Captain confirmed? {{User:Pokemon DP/sig}}

Baby, it'll rock your mind! [[http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/9616/lucariohc3.png]]I'll retrieve the C. Falcon imagery in a sec, YO. [[User:Fixitup|Fixitup]]

Currently having issues finding the C. Falcon screenshot, but here's some Falco to make up for it. [[http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/5403/faclolb1.png]] [[User:Fixitup|Fixitup]]

Falcon- PUNCH! [[http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/4325/cfsalconzj5.png]] [[User:Fixitup|Fixitup]]

Wow, you seem quite excited over this. But I'm not surprised, this is big information! So many articles to edit! So much information to add! Thanks for the images, Fixit. Your a real big help. =) {{User:Pokemon DP/sig}}

Snake parts. :P
[[http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/5473/snake1fb8.png]]
[[http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/7305/snake2pm8.png]]
[[http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/2610/snake3fj2.png]]
[[http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/3235/snake4mr7.png]]
[[http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/771/snake5pv4.png]]
[[http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/3778/snake6ai0.png]]
Gotta go now! [[User:Fixitup|Fixitup]]

== Ok, thats all i found.  ==

The really complete roster: http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/9917/brawlrosterhp8.jpg
Two more thophies: http://i29.tinypic.com/263iv7m.jpg

A lot of more pics:

Luigi
http://kjm.kir.jp/pc/img/51822.png
http://www.imgup.org/iup547311.jpg
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lucas y ness
http://i27.tinypic.com/2s6pmoi.jpg
ness's smash?
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg181/xblah/ssbm/1201607599015.jpg
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Luigi
http://i29.tinypic.com/2qd367q.jpg
final smash?
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg181/xblah/ssbm/2duce4k.jpg
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ganondorf
http://ranobe.com/up/src/up253897.jpg
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capitán falcon
smash final? http://s248.photobucket.com/albums/gg181/xblah/ssbm/1201609443700.jpg

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lucario
http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/1047/up253926no9.jpg
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Mr.G&W
http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/7163/up253939yi1.jpg
smash final?
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg181/xblah/ssbm/1201606859663.jpg

All taken from [http://www.elotrolado.net/hilo_-HILO-OFICIAL--Super-Smash-Bros--Brawl---31-_945800?pagenumber=48 there]. Is in Spanish, but all the info is in spoiler. Just click, because all are new pictures -no text info-.--[[User:Caith Sith|Caith Sith]] 08:10, 29 January 2008 (EST)

:If that's really the complete roster, where's Sonic and Jigglypuff? --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 11:17, 29 January 2008 (EST)
::Unlockables?--[[User:Caith Sith|Caith Sith]] 11:21, 29 January 2008 (EST)
:::But isn't Snake an unlockable? --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 11:26, 29 January 2008 (EST)
::::Huh...yes, but whatever... 7 min of free brawl spoilers that confirms a lot of things: characters and more -> [http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=vtWxwsR3oB4 click!]--[[User:Caith Sith|Caith Sith]] 11:45, 29 January 2008 (EST)

==Remove Ganondorf==

Sorry to burst you're bubble, but seeing his face in a screenshot doesn't confirm him as playable. [[User:HyperToad|HyperToad]]

OF COURSE he is playable lol and [[Image:Robssbblol.jpg|thumb]] :| {{User:McDimentio/sig}}

:Heh. He might be a boss, you know. Also, this is GREAT! Japanese is already leaking info. <span style="font-family:verdana; color:#red;"><font size="5">'''[[User:Paper Jorge|P]]'''aper '''Jorge'''</font></span><small> ( [[User talk:Paper Jorge|Talk]]<tt>&middot;</tt>[[Special:Contributions/Paper Jorge|Contributions]])<tt>&middot;</tt></small>
::[http://www.joystiq.com/2008/01/21/nintendo-accidentally-confirms-lucario-ness-jigglypuff-for-bra/ Lucario, Ness, and Jigglypuff are IN.] Everyone else (Ganondorf, G&W, ROB, and Luigi) looks good. PLEASE LET LUIGI BE IN... {{USer:3dejong/sig|AAAAAAAH!}}

Toon Link is in!

[[Image:0181465001201628972.jpg]]
{{unsigned|Xluidi}}

==Bomberman?==
In another video (http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=vtWxwsR3oB4 please see here), we can see another character select list... this time is the same as always, but with Sonic added and... Bomberman. Maybe fake, i dunno, but... well, i put it here.

[[image:Otherlist.jpg]]

In any case, with all the info leaked today, we have A LOT OF WORK with this game, specially updating templates.--[[User:Caith Sith|Caith Sith]] 14:55, 29 January 2008 (EST)

Look at Dedede's image, it looks wrong. [[User:HyperToad|HyperToad]]

I'm fairly sure that Bomberman image is fake, it's look like it was photoshoped out of a 3d bomerman game. [[User:HyperToad|HyperToad]]