Editing Talk:Super Nintendo Entertainment System

==Controller==
This is also considered by many to be the best controller ever, as it made many changes.[[User:HK-47|<font size="4">H</font><font size="1">K</font>]]
==Split==
Why not split Super Famicom like the original Famicom and Nes? {{User:HEROMARIO/sig}} 19:39, April 15, 2019 (EDT)
:As far as I know, they are both the exact same thing. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 19:42, April 15, 2019 (EDT)
::Ok... Well there are two seperate articals for famicon and nes so why not there super form? {{User:HEROMARIO/sig}} 19:43, April 15, 2019 (EDT)
:::If anything, I'd argue the Famicom and NES pages should be merged. I've never really been a fan of how Nintendo fansites tend to consider the Famicom and NES to be separate consoles for some reason. {{User:Niiue/sig}} 01:16, January 30, 2020 (EST)
::::In the case of that, the structure and actual technology are different; note that the "Famicom" and the "Famicom Disk System" are two separate things as well. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 02:07, January 30, 2020 (EST)
:::::I don't see how any differences between the Famicom and NES are all that significant overall. Case in point, look at how many early copies of certain NES games were actually regular Famicom PCBs in NES carts, using officially-made adapters. As for the FDS, I'm not sure how that's relevant given that it's a separate add-on entirely. {{User:Niiue/sig}} 03:05, January 30, 2020 (EST)
::::::I'll also add that while the original Famicom has some significant hardware differences like the controllers, the second AV model is {{wp|Nintendo Entertainment System#Configurations|much closer}} to the top loader NES, complete with detached "dogbone" controllers (and even [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cnJZXhpHsU easy Disk System connectivity] if you have a simple region adapter). [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 09:58, January 30, 2020 (EST)
::::Famicom has the second player microphone, NES doesn't, right? [[User:Trig Jegman|Trig]] - 10:38, January 30, 2020 (EST)
:::::Yes, except for the {{wp|Nintendo Entertainment System (Model NES-101)#Family Computer (model HVC-101)|remodel}}. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 10:54, January 30, 2020 (EST)

In my opinion, I would not split the article. However, it may be fine to redirect it. [[User:NintendogsFan|NintendogsFan]] ([[User talk:NintendogsFan|talk]]) 20:53, February 26, 2020 (EST)

<s>I think they are different and they should be split. [[Special:Contributions/78.105.247.178|78.105.247.178]] ([[User talk:78.105.247.178|talk]]) March 26,2020</s>
::::::::They are technically the same, so no splitting. [[File:BowserNSMBUDX.png|25px|link=Bowser]] [[User talk:Bowser201|201]] 10:33, April 25, 2020 (EDT)
It's That easy. [[Special:Contributions/148.75.36.69|148.75.36.69]]
:They're two same consoles [[User:Benjaminkirsc|Benjaminkirsc]] ([[User talk:Benjaminkirsc|talk]]) 11:55, November 3, 2020 (EST)

:I'm gonna chip in regarding this since the proposal to merge the [[Family Computer]] article to the [[Nintendo Entertainment System]] article was cancelled and there was some talk in regards to splitting this Super Nintendo Entertainment System article to Super Famicom having its own. So first thing to establish are the key components to this and that is the following.

:A. Hardware

:B. Console design

:C. Branding

:For the hardware, unlike the Famicom and NES where there were a few key differences (60-pin vs 72-pin cartridges, Famicom expansion audio and 15-pin expansion port) the hardware inside Nintendo's 16-bit consoles are identical. So for example, a Japanese Super Famicom cartridge of ''[[Super Mario World]]'' would play perfectly on a North American SNES console. Now you do have to account for the tabs that block that particular cartridge design but once you get over that hurdle the hardware has no issue playing it. However, there is a difference between NTSC and PAL hardware and are not quite interchangeable but I'll get more into that with discussing...

:...Console design, which unlike the internal hardware is different between the Super Famicom and North American SNES consoles. The shape, color, and overall look to both consoles are different between the two enough to where a casual observer could easily make distinctions between one another. However there is a catch to this, and that's how PAL SNES consoles use the exact same design as Super Famicom consoles. If you take away the branding between the two, the consoles are pretty much the same, as well as the cartridges minus the different labels. So out of Nintendo's family of 16-bit consoles there are two distinct console designs to account for.

:Which leads me into discussing branding, and just like the consoles there are two distinct brand names to consider which are "Super Famicom" and "Super Nintendo Entertainment System" and I want to start by saying that despite popular belief, the Super Famicom branding is not Japan-exclusive. It was used in [https://consolevariations.com/blog/nintendo-super-famicom-taiwan-edition Taiwan] when Nintendo distributed the hardware in the region just like they did with the original Famicom. There does exist a region that actually received both the Super Famicom and Super Nintendo Entertainment System branding, and that is Hong Kong. The [https://consolevariations.com/collectibles/nintendo-super-famicom-console-hk Hong Kong Super Famicom] is by all means the Hong Kong version of the Japanese original where-as the [https://consolevariations.com/collectibles/snes-console-hk Hong Kong Super Nintendo Entertainment System] is fundamentally a PAL SNES console. So this results in Hong Kong being the only region to get more than one of the respective consoles. One interesting fact too is that ''[[Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island]]'' saw an official release in the region with its own [https://snescentral.com/cart.php?id=0674&num=2 Super Famicom cartridge] which by all means is the only known release in the region (if you're wondering btw the ROM it uses is identical to the North American version).

:So what do we make of this? We'll there are a few avenues to look at regarding this. If the article in question is just talking about the hardware, than it should not be split. If it is talking about the console design or branding however, than its worth considering a split. At the end of the day this all comes down to what the intent is in regards to the goal of this article. I run my own wiki site ([https://famiwiki.net FamiWiki]) and I ended up going with splitting the article into three for [https://famiwiki.net/wiki/Super_Famicom Super Famicom] [https://famiwiki.net/wiki/Super_Nintendo_Entertainment_System Super Nintendo Entertainment System] (NTSC), and [https://famiwiki.net/wiki/Super_Nintendo_Entertainment_System_PAL_Version Super Nintendo Entertainment System PAL Version]. Is this the perfect solution? No but it is a solution I decided to go with for my purposes. Whatever MarioWiki goes with going forward I hope there's consideration into factoring in a lot more than just arguing "its the same" or "its different" without elaborating on the key points. --[[User:Bro3256|Bro3256]] ([[User talk:Bro3256|talk]]) 17:45, November 20, 2024 (EST)

== The Console's Lifespan ==

Could anyone explain why in Japan the Nintendo 64 was discontinued before its predecessors (Famicom and Super Famicom)? HopperPI in reddit does not believe to be true at all! If Nintendo were truly producing NES and SNES until the mid-2000s, then the consoles would've had games released in 2001-2002 {{unsigned|217.228.231.192}}
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	Could anyone explain why in Japan, the ~~Super Famicom~~ was discontinued ~~a year after~~ its ~~successor~~? HopperPI in reddit does not believe to be true at all! If Nintendo were truly producing NES and SNES until the mid-2000s, then the consoles would've had games released in 2001-2002 {{unsigned\|217.228.231.192}}		Could anyone explain why in Japan the Nintendo 64 was discontinued before its predecessors (Famicom and Super Famicom)? HopperPI in reddit does not believe to be true at all! If Nintendo were truly producing NES and SNES until the mid-2000s, then the consoles would've had games released in 2001-2002 {{unsigned\|217.228.231.192}}