Editing Talk:Super Mushroom (healing item)

== How to handle this page ==

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To me, it seems odd that this page would still retain an old name that has been different sine 2009. To remedy this, I'm going to throw in two different options for how to go forward: '''rename the whole page to {{fake link|Super Mushroom (healing item)}}''', or '''split out the ''Mario & Luigi'' series information into {{fake link|Super Mushroom (healing item)}}'''. I'm not entirely sure which option is more viable, but I'm throwing them both out because really, I think ''something'' ought to be done. (And the same goes for [[Talk:Ultra Shroom#How to handle this page|this scenario]].)

'''Proposer:''' {{User|Toadette the Achiever}}<br>
'''Deadline:''' September 23, 2019, 23:59 GMT

===Rename to Super Mushroom (healing item)===
#{{User|Yoshi the SSM}} Per Ultra Shroom Vote.

===Split the ''Mario & Luigi'' series information into Super Mushroom (healing item)===

===Do nothing===

===Comments===
Why not have an option to merge into the main Super Mushroom article? After all, the Fire Flower item from the ''Paper Mario'' and ''Mario & Luigi'' series isn't split from the main Fire Flower article, and the basic Mushroom also doesn't have its own article for RPG appearances. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 10:04, September 9, 2019 (EDT)
:Mushroom and Super Mushroom pages are quite similar. However. I do think that this should not be merged with Super Mushrooms due to the fact that the Paper Mario versions are Blue. But, I agree that the options should be there in case someone would want this. I would say two options in this case. Them being: "Merge all into Super Mushroom" and "Merge just ''Mario & Luigi'' series into Super Mushroom". The reason for no "Merge ''Mario & Luigi'' series and rename to Super Mushroom (healing item)" is for two reasons. First because that identifier won't make sense due to the ''Mario & Luigi'' series items being healing items. Second because they aren't named as such, but are only called Super Shrooms. {{User:Yoshi the Space Station Manager/sig}} 10:51, September 9, 2019 (EDT)
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 == How to handle this page ==
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-{{Proposal outcome|passed|9-0-0|rename to Super Mushroom (healing item)}}
+To me, it seems odd that this page would still retain an old name that has been different sine 2009. To remedy this, I'm going to throw in two different options for how to go forward: '''rename the whole page to {{fake link|Super Mushroom (healing item)}}''', or '''split out the ''Mario & Luigi'' series information into {{fake link|Super Mushroom (healing item)}}'''. I'm not entirely sure which option is more viable, but I'm throwing them both out because really, I think ''something'' ought to be done. (And the same goes for [[Talk:Ultra Shroom#How to handle this page|this scenario]].)
-To me, it seems odd that this page would still retain an old name that has been different sine 2009. To remedy this, I'm going to throw in two different options for how to go forward: '''rename the whole page to {{fake link|Super Mushroom (healing item)}}''', or '''split out the ''Mario & Luigi'' series information into {{fake link|Super Mushroom (healing item)}}'''. I'm not entirely sure which option is more viable, but I'm throwing them both out because really, I think ''something'' ought to be done. (And the same goes for [[Talk:Ultra Mushroom#How to handle this page|this scenario]].)
 '''Proposer:''' {{User|Toadette the Achiever}}<br>
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 ===Rename to Super Mushroom (healing item)===
 #{{User|Yoshi the SSM}} Per Ultra Shroom Vote.
-#{{User|YoshiFlutterJump}} Just like I said with Ultra Shroom, this is the best option. The name is the same in all localizations except English and it was probably only shortened because of space constraints. They are both functionally similar in that they are both the second tier of healing items (no, Dried Shroom doesn't count). The only real caveat to going with this option is the identifier, but it allows for consistency with Ultra Shroom (if that gets moved), "Super Shroom" hasn't been used since 2007, and merging it with the main Super Mushroom article wouldn't be the best idea because it has little in common with the main series one and the naming is more a coincidence than anything. In short, splitting would be redundantly redundant and this is the best option.
-#{{User|Niiue}} Per all.
-#{{User|Obsessive Mario Fan}} Per all.
-#{{User|FanOfYoshi}} Per YoshiFlutterJump.
-#{{User|JoeRunner}} Per all.
-#{{User|Power Flotzo}} Per all, especially YFJ.
-#{{User|bwburke94}} Per YFJ and others.
-#{{User|MarioManiac1981}} YFJ's reasoning is the strongest. All commending goes to him.
 ===Split the ''Mario & Luigi'' series information into Super Mushroom (healing item)===
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 Why not have an option to merge into the main Super Mushroom article? After all, the Fire Flower item from the ''Paper Mario'' and ''Mario & Luigi'' series isn't split from the main Fire Flower article, and the basic Mushroom also doesn't have its own article for RPG appearances. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 10:04, September 9, 2019 (EDT)
 :Mushroom and Super Mushroom pages are quite similar. However. I do think that this should not be merged with Super Mushrooms due to the fact that the Paper Mario versions are Blue. But, I agree that the options should be there in case someone would want this. I would say two options in this case. Them being: "Merge all into Super Mushroom" and "Merge just ''Mario & Luigi'' series into Super Mushroom". The reason for no "Merge ''Mario & Luigi'' series and rename to Super Mushroom (healing item)" is for two reasons. First because that identifier won't make sense due to the ''Mario & Luigi'' series items being healing items. Second because they aren't named as such, but are only called Super Shrooms. {{User:Yoshi the Space Station Manager/sig}} 10:51, September 9, 2019 (EDT)
-::@LinkTheLefty: Is there an actual distinction, though? The Japanese names might be the same, but I think it's worth noting that ''Super Mario RPG'' called them "Mid Mushrooms", implying that they were meant to be different from the identically-named power-up from the start. {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 13:24, September 9, 2019 (EDT)
-:::@Yoshi the SSM: I think the additional options would be fair, though I believe the mushroom graphics are shared in the ''Mario & Luigi'' games.
-:::@YoshiFlutterJump: If it were the only a one-off, I can see it maybe being coincidental; however, since it's in all these RPGs, I'm inclined to believe its color differentiation is a result of having both normal Mushrooms and Super Mushrooms as items in the same game, which rarely if ever happens (also of note - recurring power-ups can have different effects, especially in a different genre, and Super Mushrooms have been called Mushrooms in some games).
-:::@Toadette the Achiever: Whether it was due to Square at the time or not, Ted Woolsey didn't seem to do much ''Mario'' franchise research before translating ''Super Mario RPG'', which is why a lot of previous ''Mario'' elements and references were relocalized in the English version (e.g. Sky Troopa, Goby, Shy Away, Yo'ster Isle, etc.). So in this case, his Mid Mushroom localization doesn't necessarily mean anything and was most likely another way to shorten Super Mushroom within the allotted space, preferring to write out "Mushroom" than use "Shroom" (admittedly, Max Mushroom ''does'' have more in common with one later ''Mario & Luigi'' version, but that's a separate discussion). [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 15:08, September 9, 2019 (EDT)
-::::What I meant was, maybe there are some internal filenames on both the power-up and the healing item that you can use to support your points? {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 17:54, September 9, 2019 (EDT)
-:::::I'm not really sure how that's applicable since both the platformer and RPG versions debuted before the modern filesystem. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 22:00, September 11, 2019 (EDT)