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'''From the discussion on [[Talk: Artichoker|Artichoker]]:'''
I never got to play SMRPG. That will be the main reason I get a Wii. SMRPG. And theyre saying they won't have it since its Square's! UGH!![[User:HK-47|<font size="4">H</font><font size="1">K</font>]]
:That sucks. SMRPG is a great game; a classic RPG. --[[User:Son of Suns|Son of Suns]] 12:46, 19 July 2006 (EDT)
There truly is no reasoning with the monster known as Nintendo! You hate them, you love them. If they would remake it, not even a perfect remake, I dont care.
They could update graphics. I wouldn't mind. Its unneeded, but would you mind. Remake it for DS, so as not to destroy the control system. Edit diologue. Add minigames, I don't care.
I wrote them in a more polite manner.
They sent me this.
<span style="font-family: Arial">Message(#6851-000507-9641\5079641)
Hello and thank you for contacting Nintendo,
We appreciate hearing about the types of products that you would like to see from us in the future.  While there hasn't been an announcement concerning a Super Mario RPG:  Legend of the Seven Stars for the Nintendo DS, you never know what the future holds!  As the worldwide leader and innovator in the creation of interactive entertainment, and because of our history of pushing the limits of gameplay and design, you can always count on Nintendo offering the most imaginative products.
In the meantime, keep checking our website's news section (www.nintendo.com/newsmain) for the latest information and announcements.
Sincerely,
Nintendo of America Inc.
Sharon Matheny
Nintendo's home page: http://www.nintendo.com/
Power Line (Automated Product Info): (425) 885-7529</span>
Just venting. [[User:HK-47|<font size="4">H</font><font size="1">K</font>]]
:This is an interesting conversation for an article about a minor plant monster. :) --[[User:Son of Suns|Son of Suns]] 13:01, 19 July 2006 (EDT)
::They sent me the same exact message when I contacted them. Then I was like "That's ALL you're gonna tell us?!?!?!?!?!?!?".  [[User:Toadette 4evur|Toadette 4evur]] 20:36, 2 February 2008 (EST)
----
Yeah.... Sorry about that.... Little outburst.... [[User:HK-47|<font size="4">H</font><font size="1">K</font>]]
:No problem. Son of Suns already moved what we had about SMRPG here. :) <span style="font-family:Kunstler Script; color:#008844;"><font size="5">'''[[User:Wayoshi|W]]'''ayoshi</font></span> 13:09, 19 July 2006 (EDT)
Actually, I moved it, he labeled it. :)[[User:HK-47|<font size="4">H</font><font size="1">K</font>]]
== Heyas. ==
== Heyas. ==


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:The article would be about the "concept"/"species" more than anything, there's more than one of them and they have at least one mechanic different from the normal NPCs (how you talk to them). Of course, as I said, this could go in the trivia. --[[User:Glowsquid|Glowsquid]] 19:06, 21 September 2009 (EDT)
:The article would be about the "concept"/"species" more than anything, there's more than one of them and they have at least one mechanic different from the normal NPCs (how you talk to them). Of course, as I said, this could go in the trivia. --[[User:Glowsquid|Glowsquid]] 19:06, 21 September 2009 (EDT)


==Images==
Can I add more pictures to the image gallery? There aren't very many... {{User:AxemGreen33/sig}} 11:09, 6 February 2011 (EST)
==Input==
All of these channels allow the input of the gamecube controller. (Which I use frequently). That should be added correct? Or does that fall under the classic controller, since they are similar and only good for the same console. Just wondering, {{User:Geniusguy445/sig}} 13:41, 11 July 2011 (EDT)
== Trivia to be removed/kept. ==
===This was the last game in Square's original deal with Nintendo, which lasted from 1990 to 1996.===
====Keep====
#It seems like a "fun fact" to know; it can't be figured out by ''just'' playing the game.{{User:RandomYoshi/sig}}
====Remove====
===Luigi is not featured in the main game, though he makes a wish at Star Hill and leads the parade at the end of the game. He also serves as the narrator of the game's instruction manual.===
====Keep====
====Remove====
#It doesn't seem that noteworthy at all; it can easily be reworded to other sections.{{User:RandomYoshi/sig}}
===This game is the only ''Mario'' game for the SNES not released in Europe. However, it is currently available on the Virtual Console in Europe.===
====Keep====
#Is an interesting fact to know. It also can't be figured out by only playing the game.{{User:RandomYoshi/sig}}
====Remove====
===Bowser has different battle victory animations in the American version, due to the negative connotations of sticking out his middle claw in western culture.===
====Keep====
#Deeply interesting. This is also - again - something one can't figure out by playing the game.{{User:RandomYoshi/sig}}
====Remove====
===The game was placed 21st in the 100th issue of Nintendo Power's "100 best Nintendo games of all time" in 1997.===
====Keep====
#Fun fact. It is also notable enough.{{User:RandomYoshi/sig}}
====Remove====
===Pressing {{button|snes|X}} after using an item will have a message saying "Get a freebie!", meaning that item can be used again.===
====Keep====
====Remove====
#It could be placed in another place of the article.{{User:RandomYoshi/sig}}
#Because it's completely false; freebies are awarded at random. [[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] ([[User talk:HeroicJay|talk]])
===Once the end credits were reached, a parade of most of the characters was shown. In ''Paper Mario'' there was also a parade during the credits. The parade is obviously a reference to the credits of ''Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars''. Luigi also leads the parade in both games.===
====Keep====
====Remove====
#It is easily movable to another section.{{User:RandomYoshi/sig}}
===One action sequence in Bowser's Keep involves climbing a ledge while avoiding barrels by jumping, defeating Donkey Kong at the top. This is a direct homage to the original ''Donkey Kong'' arcade game.===
====Keep====
====Remove====
#Could be placed under a different heading.{{User:RandomYoshi/sig}}
===The scene where Mario is viewing Bowser's castle heavily resembles the opening to the Game Gear game Castle of Illusion: Starring Mickey Mouse, which was released six years earlier.===
====Keep====
====Remove====
#This isn't related to Mario in any way possible.{{User:RandomYoshi/sig}}
== Character skills ==
So I came here trying to find at what level each character learns what skills and it's a bit disorganized. I linked from here to Mallow's article and found what I was looking for. But when I go to Mario's page, it was a mess (and the content isn't even there). Do you think it would be a good idea just to list each character's skills with a brief description in this article? That way all the info is in one place! [[Special:Contributions/98.200.236.34|98.200.236.34]] 17:27, 6 July 2013 (EDT)
:Yeah, it's a good idea. We can't let it stay incomplete, though, or else it wouldn't be a featured article, won't it?<br>{{User:LeftyGreenMario/sig}} 17:36, 6 July 2013 (EDT)
== Why does the 1.1 version of the game pak have an SA-1 security chip? ==
Because Super Mario RPG only works perfect on original SNES systems and not most super famiclones. If you like to play Mario RPG 1.1 on a portable SNES (i.e. Supaboy), a trick to boot this is done as well... {{User:Devanwolf/sig}} 00:15, 26 July 2013 (EDT)
==Valid trivia?==
[http://kotaku.com/dont-count-on-a-new-super-mario-rpg-any-time-soon-989543461 In a 2012 interview], one of the director was asked about SMRPG, and responded that he had no interest in making a sequel to the game or revisting its characters. Is that worth mentioning anywhere, and if so, where? --[[User:Glowsquid|Glowsquid]] ([[User talk:Glowsquid|talk]]) 09:43, 1 January 2015 (EST)
==Is SMRPG really the last Mario game on SNES?==
Article mentions SMRPG being "the final Mario game on the Super Nintendo Entertainment System." in the opening paragraphs, but Wrecking Crew '98 was released two years later. Is it because it bears the ''Wrecking Crew'' name and not a Mario one? [[User:ChromStrikes|ChromStrikes]] ([[User talk:ChromStrikes|talk]]) 04:27, 8 January 2016 (EST)
== Quick question. ==
I was thinking of adding the Bowser Victory animation differences. Am I allowed to do this? And if so, should I add it in the trivia or add a new part of the article? [[User:Thefamman|Thefamman]] ([[User talk:Thefamman|talk]]) 17:43, 22 May 2017 (EDT)
:It would likely go under a section titled "Version differences", though we'll need more than that to fill the section. For now, though, trivia should work fine.  {{User:Alex95/sig}} 17:47, 22 May 2017 (EDT)
== Quick Question. ==
I've heard someone say that Bowser is the weakest character in the game. Should I add this To Bowser's part in the section, "Mario's Party"? Also should I add in Geno part that his real name is "♡♪!?"? [[User:Thefamman|Thefamman]] ([[User talk:Thefamman|talk]]) 11:25, 31 May 2017 (EDT)
:[[Geno]]'s real name is already on his page. As for Bowser...source? He's one of the stronger characters when I play. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 11:29, 31 May 2017 (EDT)
Yeah well this guy named Chuggaconroy... here's the link to his channel >
[[https://m.youtube.com/user/chuggaaconroy]] said that Bowser is the weakest character in the game. [[User:Thefamman|Thefamman]] ([[User talk:Thefamman|talk]]) 16:39, 31 May 2017 (EDT)
:An LPer's opinion isn't a source. [[User:Niiue|Niiue]] ([[User talk:Niiue|talk]]) 17:05, 31 May 2017 (EDT)
== Enemies  ==
Why isn't there an enemy section? We need to get on making that. Don't have a copy of a game so we will need people with sources.--[[User:Seandwalsh|Seandwalsh]] ([[User talk:Seandwalsh|talk]]) 18:48, 28 October 2017 (EDT)
== Kriffio ==
Should we make an article about Kriffio? It is a species of yellow tree-like enemy with its "leaves" pointing upwards. So far, i only saw it in Bean Valley. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 13:43, August 4, 2019 (EDT)
:You mean [[Kriffid]]? {{User:Niiue/sig}} 13:59, August 4, 2019 (EDT)
::Oops, my bad. I misinterpreted the "d" as "o". --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 14:00, August 4, 2019 (EDT)
== Split named sub-locations ==
{{Settled TPP}}
{{Proposal outcome|passed|6-0|split}}
This proposal aims to do exactly what the header indicates: split the locations that, while not always accessible from the world map, have official names, just like [[Melody Bay]], the [[Coal Mines]], [[Belome Temple]]. etc. These are:
*The Vinery: the group of colorful beanstalks connecting [[Bean Valley]] to [[Nimbus Land]]
*Nimbus Castle: this doesn't need clarified
*The Trial Course: those six doors in Bowser's Keep
*Gate: that dark netherworld leading to Smithy's assembly line (which is what "[[Factory (Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars)|Factory]]" should refer to; note that the save blocks use "Factory for everything after Exor, but guides separate Gate from Factory)
Additionally, the aforementioned "Factory" should be split from "Smithy Factory," which is the game's final world and includes Bowser's Keep.
'''Proposer''': {{User|Doc von Schmeltwick}}<br>
'''Deadline''': April 24, 2022, 23:59 GMT
====Support====
#{{User|Doc von Schmeltwick}} - Per
#{{User|Hewer}} Per proposal.
#{{User|LinkTheLefty}} Gate/Factory's a little confusing as mentioned [[Talk:Factory (Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars)|here]], but overall, I agree, there's enough info to give these all dedicated articles.
#{{User|Archivist Toadette}} I'd also like to point out that we already have a few named sub-locations from other games split ([[Toadles Boutique]] and [[Pi'illo Temple]], to name two), so I would've supported either way. Per all.
#{{User|RHG1951}} - Per all.
#{{User|BBQ Turtle}} Per proposal.
====Oppose====
====Comments====
What about "Land's End (world)" and "Nimbus Land (world)"? It should be mentioned that the Player's Guide additionally uses "Smithy's Factory" to refer to the Gate/Factory area in general. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 09:56, April 10, 2022 (EDT)
:That's a separate proposal, I feel. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 14:28, April 10, 2022 (EDT)
==Give Shogakukan world numbers precedence over Player's Guide ones==
{{Settled TPP}}
{{Proposal outcome|passed|5-0|Shogakukan has precedence}}
The original [[media:Super Mario RPG Worlds Final Edition.jpg|Shogakukan guide]] considers Yo'ster Isle to be its own world, consistent with it having its own section on the overworld map, and bringing the total number of worlds to the standard eight; the [[media:Super Mario RPG Worlds Player's Guide.jpg|Player's Guide]] instead considers it part of the third world and throws off the remaining worlds. It would be one thing if the guide was consistent about it, but closer inspection shows that it's not. For example, it claims that Kinklink and Terrapin appear in World 1{{hover|*|which could be technically correct if you believe the first visit to Bowser's Keep isn't World 8}}, Frogog and {{hover|Shyper|actually Shyster according to stats and being grouped in enemies instead of bosses}} appear in World 2, Chow, Fink Flower, Shy Ranger, and the Double Punch appear in World 3, Stinger and the Chomp weapon appear in World 4, the Hand Gun and the Sticky Glove appear in World 5, Fautso appears in World 7, etc. This is probably where the "Drill Bit is listed in World 5" mistake comes from; it's actually referring to Shogakukan world order, which would place it in what the Player's Guide considers World 4, as suspected. Due to the Shogakukan guide's overall greater sense of consistency as it doesn't shuffle the world numbers, this proposal will formalize the decision to give precedence to the world numbers used in Shogakukan. The discrepancies between the Shogakukan guide and the Player's Guide will still be noted in the worlds' own articles, however.
'''Proposer''': {{User|LinkTheLefty}}<br>
'''Deadline''': December 31, 2022, 23:59 GMT
===Support===
#{{User|LinkTheLefty}} Per the more consistent of the two.
#{{user|Doc von Schmeltwick}} - Per. One thing I want to point out, is that while the world map does give YI its own zoomed-in "subscreen" like other worlds (despite having only one choice), it shares a sprite with PtP, similar to Land's End and Nimbus Land (the distance between island and pipe is always consistent, even when the world map wedges Mole Mountains between them).
#{{User|Hewer}} Per proposal.
#{{User|Zaku}} Per proposal.
#{{User|Killer Moth}} Per proposal.
===Oppose===
===Comments===
== Square Enix character ownership ==
As Geno is a Square Enix-owned character created for the game, do they own every other original character created for the game as well? [[User:Juju1995|Juju1995]] ([[User talk:Juju1995|talk]]) 11:23, December 26, 2022 (EST)
Most likely, yes. That is probably the exact reason Nintendo hasn't put Geno in Smash yet. It's because they would need permission from Square.--[[User:Pizza Master|Pizza Master]] ([[User talk:Pizza Master|talk]]) 22:44, August 6, 2023 (EDT)
== Renders for Weapons and Armor ==
{{talk}}
Before the pages inexplicable removal, the Weapons and Armor pages each had pictures for each of their renders on their respective pages. It would definitely liven up that section of this page and probably should be done instead of just the generic item sprite. [[Special:Contributions/24.254.228.45|24.254.228.45]] 08:11, July 3, 2023 (EDT)
:Problem is there's so many and they're so large that that would make this already really-long page physically even longer without adding too much, given the text beside it hardly goes as high as they would. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 08:17, July 3, 2023 (EDT)
== Original characters third-party categorization ==
{{talk}}
Square Enix owns pretty much every original character created for ''Super Mario RPG'' (including Geno and Mallow), so should we have them categorized under "Third-party characters" in their articles? And what about the original characters that belong to a first-party Nintendo species like Toadofsky (a Toad), Boshi (a Yoshi), etc.? [[User:Juju1995|Juju1995]] ([[User talk:Juju1995|talk]]) 21:21, December 10, 2023 (EST)
:To me, it doesn't quite feel right to be categorizing Geno, Mallow, and their ilk under the same category as [[Sonic|Sonic the Hedgehog]]. The ''Super Mario RPG'' characters may be owned by Square Enix, but they were still created for the ''Super Mario'' franchise and have never appeared outside of ''Super Mario''-related media ([https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Geno other than an unsanctioned cameo]). [[User:SolemnStormcloud|SolemnStormcloud]] ([[User talk:SolemnStormcloud|talk]]) 21:31, December 10, 2023 (EST)
::Nevertheless, Nintendo would still have to have permission from Square Enix to use the original ''Super Mario RPG'' characters in future ''Mario'' titles, thus explaining Geno's cameo in ''Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga''. [[User:Juju1995|Juju1995]] ([[User talk:Juju1995|talk]]) 22:01, December 10, 2023 (EST)
:::I know, but it still feels awkward to be be categorizing these characters as such. [[User:SolemnStormcloud|SolemnStormcloud]] ([[User talk:SolemnStormcloud|talk]]) 22:08, December 10, 2023 (EST)
::::What about the original characters for ''Diddy Kong Racing'' (Krunch, Timber, Pipsy, etc.)? Following Microsoft's acquisition of Rare in 2002, Nintendo retains ownership to the characters directly linked to the ''Donkey Kong'' series (such as Diddy Kong and Krunch), but the rest of the ''Diddy Kong Racing'' cast (aside from Banjo, Conker and Tiptup since the former two were included before they star in their own series and the latter appearing in the ''Banjo-Kazooie'' series) is now under Microsoft's ownership, which explains [https://www.mariowiki.com/Fangamer their appearances as pins released by Fangamer]. [[User:Juju1995|Juju1995]] ([[User talk:Juju1995|talk]]) 00:32, December 12, 2023 (EST)
:::::That's...complicated. We should try to settle this with a proposal, and not a conversation here. [[User:SolemnStormcloud|SolemnStormcloud]] ([[User talk:SolemnStormcloud|talk]]) 09:11, December 12, 2023 (EST)
::::::While we're still on the subject on character ownerships, the reverse is true for Dr. Wright, a Nintendo-owned character from the SNES version of ''SimCity'' (owned by EA). Despite not creating or owning the series, the character of Dr. Wright is owned by Nintendo due to being exclusive to versions they developed, hence his inclusion in the ''Super Smash Bros.'' series. [[User:Juju1995|Juju1995]] ([[User talk:Juju1995|talk]]) 21:34, December 22, 2023 (EST)
:::::::Huh. Maybe we could create subcategories like "Category:Square Enix-owned characters", "Category:Rare-owned characters", etc.? Again, this is something we should settle with a proposal. [[User:SolemnStormcloud|SolemnStormcloud]] ([[User talk:SolemnStormcloud|talk]]) 13:21, December 30, 2023 (EST)
== Names ==
{{talk}}
So, as I understand, when a subject goes unnamed in one of its appearances, the name used in the section is the name that was last used at the time, which makes sense. However, this game has a lot of cases of regular Mario enemies having different names than usual, because reasons, and these names were never used again (except for I guess "Koopa Troop" and maaaaybe "Blaster"). Two such cases are "Sparky" (then known as Podoboo) and "Goombette" (then known as Micro-Goomba). Because of this, Podoboo is referred to as "Sparky" in the Super Mario 64 section, and Micro-Goomba is referred to as "Goombette" in the Super Mario 64, Super Princess Peach and Partners in Time sections. "Sparkies" went back to being called Podoboos in the Mario Party series, and Micro-Goombas were mentioned in Super Paper Mario before being renamed to Mini Goombas, so I think it would be better in these cases to use the names they had outside of Super Mario RPG. What do you think? [[User:Blinker|Blinker]] ([[User talk:Blinker|talk]]) 18:15, January 4, 2024 (EST)
:Part of this is also because the names just weren't as consistent around that era even outside of this game. [[Koopa Paratroopa#Super Mario World / Super Mario World: Super Mario Advance 2|Take]] [[Koopa Paratroopa#Yoshi's Safari|Sky]] [[Koopa Paratroopa#Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island / Yoshi's Island: Super Mario Advance 3|Troopa]] [[Blurp#Trivia|or]] [[Cheep Cheep#Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island / Yoshi's Island: Super Mario Advance 3|even]] [[Cheep Cheep#Super Mario 64 / Super Mario 64 DS|Goby]]. Personally, I would at least extend ''Super Mario RPG'' material to ''Super Mario 64'', considering they came out the same year. That said, unnamed appearances were always a bit of a grey area. The way we do things now is closest to that "most recent name at the time" rule of thumb, and it generally helps to keep things chronologically sorted, but sometimes, there are sources that come years later that can serve to fill gaps, like when the ''Super Mario 3D All-Stars'' [https://web.archive.org/web/20200903132220/https://supermario3dallstars.nintendo.com/super-mario-64/ website] names the game's (then-unnamed) Grand Goomba as a Big Goomba. Of course, that usually means retroactively applying the modern names before their time, which is a different philosophy at play here, and you sometimes get things like Mario Portal's Bull's-Eye Bomber Bill. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 19:51, January 4, 2024 (EST)
==A Series of Its Own==
[https://www.nintendo.com/jp/character/mario/en/history/index.html Mario Portal] lists ''Super Mario RPG'' as its own series (edging out ''Mario + Rabbids'' and now ''Mario & Sonic'' if "Others" are filtered). I know it only consists of one entry and its remake, but should we follow suit? [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 14:41, August 3, 2024 (EDT)
:I certainly don't think a "Super Mario RPG (series)" article should be created if this is the only original game; Mario + Rabbids has two games and Mario & Sonic had a few so there's clearly more justification for those. {{User:Nightwicked Bowser/sig}} 14:50, August 3, 2024 (EDT)
::I feel like the only reason ''Super Mario RPG'' is included as a "series" on the Mario Portal is so that it is included somewhere. ''Mario RPG'' is a miscellaneous yet popular game in the ''Mario'' franchise so it, and its remake needed to be listed somewhere, but it isn't included in any other major series. Anyway, considering how there's technically one game in the "series", I don't think it really deserves a page. {{User|Starluxe}} 09:20, September 15, 2024 (GMT)
== Supposed Mario Movie Reference ==
In the "References in Later Media section", there is a statement made during the part referring to the Mario Movie that notes "during the Rainbow Road chase scene, the boss battle theme appears." I don't want to jump the gun, which is why I'm bringing it up here, but I'm pretty sure that this isn't factual. I have found no other source to back this up, and after looking through the tracks myself, the closest thing I could find was a small riff in the track "Blue Shelled" made by the string section at 0:15, which vaguely resembles the beginning of "Fight Against a Somewhat Stronger Monster", though the musical intervals do not seem to match up. Unless there is something that I'm completely missing (I assumed whoever made that statement was referring to FAASSM and wasn't listening for the Weapon Theme, for example), I'm pretty sure that this is a very random inaccuracy that has remained under the radar for a while. And if it's not, it does seem very vague with it's wording. Other bullet points in the same section go out of their way to list "Hello, Happy Kingdom" by name, for example.
I do apologize if I'm just completely wrong here, but trying to track down this supposed reference has been driving me crazy for the past couple of days, and I want to know if it's all a wild goose chase. {{unsigned|SlurpyTheDog}}


:Yeah, I'm not hearing it, either. It was added by a user with no elaboration or proof whatsoever (and the references would usually be noted [[The Super Mario Bros. Movie (Original Motion Picture Soundtrack)|here]] as well), so I'll remove it. {{User:Mario jc/sig}} 21:59, October 30, 2024 (EDT)
Ithink that this game is stupid looking.-Nucleartoad24

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