Editing Talk:Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars

== Split named sub-locations ==

This proposal aims to do exactly what the header indicates: split the locations that, while not always accessible from the world map, have official names, just like [[Melody Bay]], the [[Coal Mines]], [[Belome Temple]]. etc. These are:

*The Vinery: the group of colorful beanstalks connecting [[Bean Valley]] to [[Nimbus Land]]

==Give Shogakukan world numbers precedence over Player's Guide ones==

The original [[media:Super Mario RPG Worlds Final Edition.jpg|Shogakukan guide]] considers Yo'ster Isle to be its own world, consistent with it having its own section on the overworld map, and bringing the total number of worlds to the standard eight; the [[media:Super Mario RPG Worlds Player's Guide.jpg|Player's Guide]] instead considers it part of the third world and throws off the remaining worlds. It would be one thing if the guide was consistent about it, but closer inspection shows that it's not. For example, it claims that Kinklink and Terrapin appear in World 1{{hover|*|which could be technically correct if you believe the first visit to Bowser's Keep isn't World 8}}, Frogog and {{hover|Shyper|actually Shyster according to stats and being grouped in enemies instead of bosses}} appear in World 2, Chow, Fink Flower, Shy Ranger, and the Double Punch appear in World 3, Stinger and the Chomp weapon appear in World 4, the Hand Gun and the Sticky Glove appear in World 5, Fautso appears in World 7, etc. This is probably where the "Drill Bit is listed in World 5" mistake comes from; it's actually referring to Shogakukan world order, which would place it in what the Player's Guide considers World 4, as suspected. Due to the Shogakukan guide's overall greater sense of consistency as it doesn't shuffle the world numbers, this proposal will formalize the decision to give precedence to the world numbers used in Shogakukan. The discrepancies between the Shogakukan guide and the Player's Guide will still be noted in the worlds' own articles, however.

So, as I understand, when a subject goes unnamed in one of its appearances, the name used in the section is the name that was last used at the time, which makes sense. However, this game has a lot of cases of regular Mario enemies having different names than usual, because reasons, and these names were never used again (except for I guess "Koopa Troop" and maaaaybe "Blaster"). Two such cases are "Sparky" (then known as Podoboo) and "Goombette" (then known as Micro-Goomba). Because of this, Podoboo is referred to as "Sparky" in the Super Mario 64 section, and Micro-Goomba is referred to as "Goombette" in the Super Mario 64, Super Princess Peach and Partners in Time sections. "Sparkies" went back to being called Podoboos in the Mario Party series, and Micro-Goombas were mentioned in Super Paper Mario before being renamed to Mini Goombas, so I think it would be better in these cases to use the names they had outside of Super Mario RPG. What do you think? [[User:Blinker|Blinker]] ([[User talk:Blinker|talk]]) 18:15, January 4, 2024 (EST)

:Part of this is also because the names just weren't as consistent around that era even outside of this game. [[Koopa Paratroopa#Super Mario World / Super Mario World: Super Mario Advance 2|Take]] [[Koopa Paratroopa#Yoshi's Safari|Sky]] [[Koopa Paratroopa#Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island / Yoshi's Island: Super Mario Advance 3|Troopa]] [[Blurp#Trivia|or]] [[Cheep Cheep#Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island / Yoshi's Island: Super Mario Advance 3|even]] [[Cheep Cheep#Super Mario 64 / Super Mario 64 DS|Goby]]. Personally, I would at least extend ''Super Mario RPG'' material to ''Super Mario 64'', considering they came out the same year. That said, unnamed appearances were always a bit of a grey area. The way we do things now is closest to that "most recent name at the time" rule of thumb, and it generally helps to keep things chronologically sorted, but sometimes, there are sources that come years later that can serve to fill gaps, like when the ''Super Mario 3D All-Stars'' [https://web.archive.org/web/20200903132220/https://supermario3dallstars.nintendo.com/super-mario-64/ website] names the game's (then-unnamed) Grand Goomba as a Big Goomba. Of course, that usually means retroactively applying the modern names before their time, which is a different philosophy at play here, and you sometimes get things like Mario Portal's Bull's-Eye Bomber Bill. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 19:51, January 4, 2024 (EST)