Editing Talk:Super Mario Odyssey


I think the "lion" is a [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qilin Qilin]
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I'm pretty sure the cat statue is an Olmec-style Jaguar.  The level is a new world desert, so I think it's more likely it's based off of American culture.{{unsigned|Karatemanjoe}}

The "Purple Circular Collectibles" are clearly nuts.  

As in nuts and bolts.  

Nuts.
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I think the supporting character that appears to be a lion is in fact a Gao from Super Mario Land.
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Also, there are some misplaced modifyers:

*Hammer Bros wearing chef hats that throw frying pans
*Small tanks wearing top hats that spit bullets

It should say "Hammer Bros that wear chef hats and throw frying pans" and "Small tanks that wear top hats and spit bullets".
--[[Special:Contributions/166.137.14.51|166.137.14.51]] 23:04, 16 January 2017 (EST)

== Globe Oddities ==

The planet on the box art is clearly Earth, but the globe seen in the trailer has different continents. Anyone know what it could mean?

EDIT: the box art was a parody. Nevermind, then.--{{User:CenturyOfLuigi/sig}} 20:46, 13 January 2017 (EST)

== An action-adventure game? ==

The Super Mario platform games have never belonged to the action-adventure genre in the past, the are solely for the platform genre. Is there an official confirmation from Nintendo this game is actually categorized as an action-adventure game? I remember Nintendo saying it is an open world game and obviously still belongs to the platform genre but nothing about action-aventure. This ain't a Zelda game.

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== Forest/Lake/Metallic Structures location ==

The article says there are these three locations:

*A forest
**A waterfall and stream
*An area with a lake and metallic structures
**A circular area with flowers where one of the rabbit characters is fought
*A reddish metallic tower

If you watch the trailer closely, however, you'll notice they're all the same level. 
--[[Special:Contributions/166.137.102.80|166.137.102.80]] 01:32, 15 January 2017 (EST)
:No word on editing this in the article? :/ --[[Special:Contributions/166.137.14.51|166.137.14.51]] 23:04, 16 January 2017 (EST)
::How can you tell that their all in the same level. We need details and sources because this is a new game and people could easily mislead us since we can't play the game ourselves. I'm not accusing you of that, but we need more than "watch closely"
::{{User:Ultimate Mr. L/sig}} 18:38, 19 January 2017 (EST)
:::From what I can tell, there appears to be two forests. One dark and another light. This could be just the time of day though. But then again it could not be. It is up to the reader whether or not it is true. Until the final game is released, there is no way to tell whether they are truly different or not. {{User:Yoshi the Space Station Manager/sig}} 18:45, 19 January 2017 (EST)
::::Nintendo [http://nintendoeverything.com/super-mario-odyssey-development-is-considerably-finished-various-tidbits/ mentioned "the forest" but not "the forests"]. At the beginning of the trailer, you can see a sign that has that rusty tower (aka "reddish metallic tower" and "metallic structures" as they're all rusty) and the watercan robot (it also says "Kogwald"). Each of those three supposed levels have the same type of grass and the same type of trees. The "area with a lake and metallic structures" has a stream that is the same width as the forest with "a waterfall and stream". It would make sense if following the waterfall and stream lead you to the lake. The scene with the upside down flower pot enemies makes this very apparent: you have the trees from the waterfall/stream forest and a reddish metallic tower which is the same type as the metallic structures at the lake. Finally, New Donk City and the Mexican town/desert having different times of day shows that it's the same forest whether it's day or night.--[[Special:Contributions/166.170.0.53|166.170.0.53]] 23:24, 20 January 2017 (EST)
:::::Sorry that I reply only now, effectively, the trailer at the beginning introduces the levels that are then presented throughout the trailer. Unfortunately, the watering robots are not seen in the lake with the metallic structures, so it can be guessed that they are the same location since they are both in a forest, but we cannot be sure. I can only confirm that the metallic tower is found in the lake zone, as the glassy wall can be seen from the lake zone.--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 21:56, 26 January 2017 (EST)

== Gallery Page for SMO ==

It looks we're getting a lot of Screencaps from this game. Do you think we can have a gallery page for the article now? --[[User:LTIan|LTIan]] ([[User talk:LTIan|talk]]) 18:14, 1 February 2017 (EST)
:I'm actually uploading the screenshots from the game's trailer Nintendo published on Twitter. I managed to obtain it and so I can do frame-by-frame advancements, save the indiviual frames as PNG files and then upload them here. I don't know if you would like me to upload more frames of that video. If you do, we can consider making a gallery page right now, the game will have its gallery page anyway.--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 18:23, 1 February 2017 (EST)
::I just made one for it. --{{User:TheFlameChomp/sig}} 18:39, 1 February 2017 (EST)

== Quartet of Rabbits in Formal Clothing ==
I'm getting curious about those rabbit bosses, Do the four of them have official names at all or is Shigeru Miyamoto so absent-minded that he forgot to name them all? --[[User:Harold Roxby|Harold Roxby]] ([[User talk:Harold Roxby|talk]]) 00:46, 16 February 2017 (EST)
:We don't know their names yet because not enough has been revealed about the game yet. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 00:56, 16 February 2017 (EST)

== Released date : Japan ==
How is the Japan flag ? (Japanese's released date) I edit.
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==Possible Release Date==
On Amazon, there is a pre-order page for Oddysey, and the scheduled release date is December 29th, 2017. Could that be the official release date?

UPDATE: Yes, I wrote this. I just forgot to log in.

 [[User:Crummymummy|Crummymummy]] ([[User talk:Crummymummy|talk]]) 22:26, 4 May 2017 (EDT)

:Pretty sure that's a placeholder.

:-[[User:Toa 95|Toa 95]] ([[User talk:Toa 95|talk]])

== Amiibo ==
Amiibo has just announced to be used for this game. Just heard about it during the Treehouse Live. --RodneytheMiiGuy 12:57, 13 June 2017 (EDT)

== Lyrics ==
A lot of the lyrics listed on the page appear to be misheard. Multiple listens to the song yield that these are at least somewhat closer to the actual lyrics in the song.

Here we go

Off the rails

Don'tcha know it's time to raise our sails?

It's freedom like you never knew~


Don't need bags

Or a pass

Say the word, I'll be there in a flash!

You could say my hat is off to you~


Oh, we can zoom all the way to the moon

From this great wide, wacky world

Jump with me! Grab coins with me! Oh yeah!


It's time to jump up in the air! (jump up in the air)

Jump up don't be scared! (jump up don't be scared)

Jump up and your cares will soar away~


And if the dark clouds start to swirl (dark clouds start to swirl)

Don't fear to shed a tear 'cuz

I'll be your 1-Up girl~


So let's all jump up super high! (jump up super high)

High up in the sky! (high up in the sky)

There's no power-up like dancing~


You know that you're my super star (you're my super star)

Now one else can take me this far

I'm flipping the switch

Get ready for this

Oh, let's do the Odyssey~



Odyssey, ya see (x7)

Odyssey, Odyssey~



Spin the wheel

Take a chance

Every journey starts a new romance

A new world's calling out to you~


Take a turn

Off the path

Find a new addition to the cast

Ya know that any captain needs a crew~


Take it in stride, as you move side-to-side

They're just different points of view

Jump with me! Grab coins with me! Oh yeah!


Come on and jump up in the air! (jump up in the air)

Jump without a care! (jump without a care)

Jump up 'cuz you know that I'll be there~


And if you find you're short on joy (find you're short on joy)

Don't fret, just don't forget that

You're still our 1-Up boy~


So go on, straighten up your cap! (straighten up your cap)

Let your toes begin to tap! (toes begin to tap)

This rhythm is a Power Shroom~


Don't forget you're the super star (you're the super star)

No one else can make it this far

Run a comb through that 'stache

Now you've got panache

Oh, let's do the Odyssey~



It's time to jump up in the air! (jump up in the air)

Jump up don't be scared! (jump up don't be scared)

Jump up and your cares will soar away~


And if the dark clouds start to swirl (dark clouds start to swirl)

Don't fear to shed a tear 'cuz

I'll be your 1-Up girl~


Now listen, all you boys and girls! (all you boys and girls)

All around the world! (all around the world)

Don't be afraid to get up and move~


You know that we're all super stars (we're all super stars)

We're the ones who made it this far

Put a smile on that face

There's no time to waste

Oh, let's do the Odyssey~

[[User:SnackAttack8|SnackAttack8]]

==Stuff to add==

Theres a new area in the game: Look at the cheep cheep scene in the trailer. Thats a new water area. Also, the Sand Kingdom is called Tostareena. Dont forget how when you collect a moon, it just jumps to the next mission, theres no mission select, although moons can be collected out of order. Dont forget about that dark village seen in the trailer, too. Also, ya know how they said stickers can be bought? Well check this out: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sSVcuI0WXq0 Does this mean Peachs Castle will be a level? {{unsigned|Ian64}}


How about 8-bit Luigi?
https://gameranx.com/features/id/142536/article/super-mario-odyssey-how-to-solve-that-new-hint-art-tweet-8-bit-luigi-easter-egg/ {{Unsigned|1.158.100.27}}

==Super Mario Odyssey confirmed to be translated to Traditional Chinese==
http://www.nintendo.com.hk/ Also, can somebody copypaste the Traditional Chinese logo? [[User:Gold Luigi|Gold Luigi]] ([[User talk:Gold Luigi|talk]]) 05:33, 14 June 2017 (EDT)

== Description problems ==

The description at the very top talks about how Mario's hat "may be alive" instead of directly referencing Cappy's character. (I'm a new member so I can't edit it myself)
-Jonaho23

:Thanks, it's fixed now.

:{{User:Shokora/sig}} 07:09, 14 June 2017 (EDT)

== Topper ==

In [https://youtu.be/WM45NsEzlro the latest E3 presentation], during the fight with Harriet at the end of the SMO presentation, the hosts talk about their favorite Brudals. One of them mentions a Brudal by name, Topper, the short one with the green suit. Should Topper be added to the page? Or should we wait for more than a mention?<br>
{{User:Ultimate Mr. L/sig}} 10:49, 14 June 2017 (EDT)
:Even though we don't know the exact spelling, it's clear that the green Broodal is named Topper, so I added him. Thanks for telling us!--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 21:06, 16 June 2017 (EDT)

== enemy list errors ==

The "map" poster we use for a source of the Kingdom names and their main areas also give us many enemy names, such as "Goomba", "Bullet Bill", etc. If this is as reliable as we believe it to be, then we should change the source for "Frog" being an enemy to this poster, as the trailer it is currently sourced to has no implication that the frog is an enemy, whilst the poster lists it as one. We should also remove the T-Rex [as it is labelled on the poster] from supporting characters and to the enemy list, as the poster lists it as another enemy. Maybe we should also list the enemy names on the poster as well, which as sort of been done, due to the inclusion of Fire Bros and Chargin' Chucks on the enemy list. So, quite a bit of editing to do! [[Special:Contributions/86.161.221.118|86.161.221.118]] 11:20, 15 June 2017 (EDT)
:I'm inclined to agree with you. I also believe we should combine the "Supporting Cast" and "Non-Playable Characters" sections together, like on the Super Mario 3D World page. NPCs and Supporting Cast seem to be one-and-the-same to me. What are your thoughts on that? [[User:Nintendo101|Nintendo101]] ([[User talk:Nintendo101|talk]]) 14:50, 15 June 2017 (EDT)

I don't know how to edit on here, but for the foreign names section, there needs to be an apostrophe in "Maliou" so it becomes "Mali'ou" because of syllable boundary technicalities in pinyin.  I omitted the tonal markings for convenience. {{unsigned|173.175.210.140}}

:Missed that. It's fixed now, thanks. {{User:Mario jc/sig}} 21:57, 15 June 2017 (EDT)

== 1 and 3 UP Hearts ==

the japanese odyssey twitter talked about those hearts with screenshots->https://twitter.com/mario_odysseyJP/status/875601500684247040
Would someone add it to the page for me, since I am not sure where tehy'd go best...?{{User:Ashley anEoTselkie/sig}}

:The first one is a regular [[Heart (item)|heart]] that restores one wedge of health, and the second is the [[Life-Up Heart]] that increases max health by 3. Both are already on the page. {{User:Mario jc/sig}} 06:40, 18 June 2017 (EDT)

== Two other Broodals ==

There is one in purple named Harriet, and one in green named Topper, but what about the one in Blue and the tall one in orange? do they deserve names as well? [[User:Harold Roxby|Harold Roxby]] ([[User talk:Harold Roxby|talk]]) 14:02, 21 June 2017 (EDT)
:Of course they do. We just don't know what they are yet. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 14:04, 21 June 2017 (EDT)

==Kingdom Names==
=== Sand Kingdom before Metro Kingdom? ===

One thing I've discovered while searching for footage is about the Slots minigame. It appears that the Slots will appear in every Kingdom. Or at least they appear in both Metro and Sand Kingdoms.

The thing, in Sand Kingdom, the minigame has 3 wheels,<ref>https://youtu.be/qGSNLLjCOrU?t=2m4s</ref> while in Metro Kingdom the minigame has 4 wheels.<ref>https://youtu.be/TpArskou4_Q?t=8m12s</ref> So if the Slots minigame is harder in New Donk City than it is in Tostarena, could this be because Sand Kingdom will actually come before Metro Kingdom?

I know it seems weird, considering in general New Donk City seems to be more an easier tutorial stage, but that's one point for that theory.

[[User:WarioLandGoldPiramid|WarioLandGoldPiramid]] ([[User talk:WarioLandGoldPiramid|talk]])

=== What we know about the Odyssey Ship ===

If anybody wants to add information about the Odyssey ship to the article, I will list some of the things we know about the ship.

These facts come from the official Russian twitter on Super Mario Odyssey, but I'm pretty sure all these facts are on the Japanese page as well.

* Mario can decorate the Odyssey using things he purchases from Crazy Cap store.<ref>https://twitter.com/SuperMario_RUS/status/877858739042254848</ref>
* The Odyssey's door doesn't have a door handle. Mario must either throw Cappy at the door to open it, or enter via an exaust pipe.<ref>https://twitter.com/SuperMario_RUS/status/877575060164300800</ref>
* The bright lights of the Odyssey allow flying even in the darkest nights.<ref>https://twitter.com/SuperMario_RUS/status/877573283583066113</ref>
* The mysteryous Mast of the Odyssey grows bigger with Power Moons, allowing Mario to travel further.<ref>https://twitter.com/SuperMario_RUS/status/877179266882056193</ref>
* The exterior of the Odyssey is made from aluminum.<ref>https://twitter.com/SuperMario_RUS/status/877164155106721793</ref>

[[User:WarioLandGoldPiramid|WarioLandGoldPiramid]] ([[User talk:WarioLandGoldPiramid|talk]])

=== Kingdom names in Russian ===

* Metro Kingdom - Городское царство.<ref>https://twitter.com/SuperMario_RUS/status/875128307926396930</ref>
* Sand Kingdom - Песчаное царство.
* Luncheon Kingdom - Кулинарное царство.<ref>https://twitter.com/SuperMario_RUS/status/881836180828016640</ref>

[[User:WarioLandGoldPiramid|WarioLandGoldPiramid]] ([[User talk:WarioLandGoldPiramid|talk]])

===References===
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== Chargin Chucks in Super Mario Oddssey ==

I have seen gameplay and no Koopa Football Players in sight. [[User:Wariopig|Wariopig]] ([[User talk:Wariopig|talk]]) 11:55, 16 July 2017 (EDT)Wariopig
:They are listed among the relevant characters of New Donk City in the [https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DCPWde5VYAAhqcH.jpg official kingdoms' map]. The E3 demo was rather limited in scope so I'm not surprised that we didn't see them yet. Once the final game is out we'll have to recheck everything of course.--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 14:06, 16 July 2017 (EDT)

== Why is this game rated E10+? ==

This is so fair the only main ''Mario'' game to be rated E10+ by ''ESRB''. Do you have any reason why?
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:We're not the ones that decide what the game is rated :P No, as far as I'm aware, the ESRB has not given a listing of what to expect in the game that could effect the rating. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 12:47, 14 August 2017 (EDT)

==Broodal==
The [[Broodals]] need a page...I think. <span style="color:green">[[User:B ron 3000|'''B ron''']] [[User talk: B ron 3000|'''3000''']]</span> [[File:MP9 Luigi Icon.png|x35px]]  12:46, 15 August 2017 (EDT)
:Eventually, yes. Let's wait for all the Broodals to be introduced first, though. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 12:46, 15 August 2017 (EDT)

== UI Changes ==

Gamescom footage has shown a few changes to the game's UI, including a monitor showing the number of Power Moons available in a Kingdom, as well as how many have been found.<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yC3IohgchVg&t=3s]</ref> How should this be addressed in the Kingdom table, as well as the individual Kingdom pages?
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:We need to see the final UI first, then any differences that are noticeable in the various demos shown go in the prerelease and unused material section.--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 12:37, 23 August 2017 (EDT)

===References===
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== Seaside Kingdom ==
Is the name of the kingdom "Seaside Kindom" or "Spacide Kingdom"? In the source provided for "Spacide Kingdom", while it slightly resembles a "p", it also looks like it could be a body of water behind the "e", causing it to resemble a "p". --{{User:TheFlameChomp/sig}} 20:52, 23 August 2017 (EDT)
:To me (going by [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfudl0wETfY&feature=youtu.be&t=15m20s this source]), it looks like "Seaside Kingdom". It's a bit stylized, but it resembles the "E" above it in "Luncheon Kingdom". {{User:Time Turner/sig}} 22:08, 23 August 2017 (EDT)
::It's probably "Seaside". "Spaside" isn't totally implausible, but it seems like a rather forced play on words and would be out of place in a list of otherwise straightforward kingdom names (Metro Kingdom, Sand Kingdom, Wooded Kindgom, etc). <br>{{User:7feetunder/sig}} 22:13, 23 August 2017 (EDT)
:::Linking to [[User talk:TheFlameChomp#"Spaside" Kingdom|this]] discussion: it does look like it says "Seaside" in the video I mentioned (the same one Time Turner linked), and does seem to make the most sense given everything that's been said so far, so I'm leaning towards that. {{User:Mario jc/sig}} 23:47, 23 August 2017 (EDT)

Looking at https://youtu.be/6UE7gj7wbug?t=16m18s I think it's actualy Seaside
[[User:WarioLandGoldPiramid|WarioLandGoldPiramid]] ([[User talk:WarioLandGoldPiramid|talk]])


It's actually Spaside {{unsigned|Annihilaz0r}}

Was the 1080p setting there before? Must have missed it before, but it definitely looks like "S'''e'''aside Shore" at that resolution. {{User:Mario jc/sig}} 08:38, 24 August 2017 (EDT)

:I'm adamant that it says Spaside. I'm looking at this, which shows a looped P.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/297636746810621953/351198865229086720/spa.PNG

:{{User:Shokora/sig}} 23:08, 26 August 2017 (EDT)
::The lower rung of the E is hooked. Since it's over what looks like a patch of water, it's partially masked by the background, but compare it to the E in the nearby Luncheon Kingdom. {{User:Time Turner/sig}} 23:11, 26 August 2017 (EDT)

http://i.imgur.com/3bNDFnd.png

I still stand by "Seaside", as the "E" looks very much like the one at the end of the word, and in the word "Luncheon", as TT said. {{User:Mario jc/sig}} 23:54, 26 August 2017 (EDT)
:Pretty sure that's an "E" and the smudge below it is an island. Looks very similar to the "E" in the same word. Also, if you take a look at where this screencap is on the [[:File:Super Mario Odyssey Atlas.jpg|World Atlas image]], you can see an island directly under where the "E" would be placed. Not sure if that helps any, but hey, there's an island. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 00:02, 27 August 2017 (EDT)
::That definitely looks like an E. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 16:09, 27 August 2017 (EDT)

== Chef Bro ==

Have I missed something obvious, or did they ever refer to the skillet-throwing Hammer Bros as "Chef Bros"? {{User:Mario jc/sig}} 05:57, 31 August 2017 (EDT)

Not that I heard of, last time I checked. {{User:Skuchi037/sig}} 21:25, 2 September 2017 (EDT)

== Mushroom Kingdom Wedding Item? ==

In the "Kingdoms" section, is it safe to assume that Peach is the Wedding Item? I know that Peach isn't exactly an "Item", but Bowser's going to each kingdom to get stuff for his wedding, and he also kidnapped Peach from the Mushroom ''Kingdom''. I'd say it's pretty safe to assume that Peach is the Wedding "Item" from the Mushroom Kingdom. Should I add it in? --{{User:CenturyOfLuigi/sig}} 22:46, 13 September 2017 (EDT)
:Eh, sounds a little too speculatory. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 22:46, 13 September 2017 (EDT)
::Yeah, I guess you're right. We'll just have to wait and see. --{{User:CenturyOfLuigi/sig}} 22:47, 13 September 2017 (EDT)

== Enemy Names ==
This is technically speculation, but I think I can back this up. The names on the map showed prominent enemy names? Well they match up logically with enemies we've seen by now.<br>
Burrbo: The Hedgehog-looking enemy. It's covered in ''burr''s, and has a similar body structure and mouth to a Kuri''bo''. Furthermore, the locations match up.<br>
Glydon: The Saurian glider. It ''glides'', and is based off of a Ptero''don''. The only thing that doesn't match is the location, but it could very well be multi-localled, as many enemies seem to be.<br>
Gushen: The purple octopuses, which seem to be the most prominent enemy in the Seaside Kingdom, given how often they appeared, and appear to have a boss version atop a stack. Furthermore, their attack pattern (and Mario's gained ability) is to ''gush'' water from them to move at high speeds through various "terrains".<br>
Just wanted to throw this out here. Should the article be changed, or is it to speculative? [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 18:47, 14 September 2017 (EDT)
:In my opinion you can add the names, but as ''Unknown'' until we receive the confirmation of their actual role in the game.--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 19:56, 14 September 2017 (EDT)
::The names are already in the section, just separate from descriptions that seem to match. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 20:15, 14 September 2017 (EDT)
:::My bad, I was indeed looking at the ''Unknown'' section because I expected to find them there. These kinds of interesting observations are usually added on the page of the enemies, to point out the likely reason why a name was chosen, so you can add them there when said pages will exist. For the moment I think you should just be prepared to edit when the connection between enemies and names will be made, hopefully the Twitter channels will make said connection before the game's release.--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 21:06, 14 September 2017 (EDT)
::::How surreal, someone typed "becasue" that wasn't me. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 23:22, 15 September 2017 (EDT)
:::::Gotcha, fixed that...--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 23:29, 15 September 2017 (EDT)
::::::Sorry, I didn't notice what you wrote about Glydon and pteranodons. There are many animals - mostly the extinct ones - whose names ends with ''-odon'', said suffix means ''tooth'' in Greek and thus it is used for animals that have been named after the aspect of the teeth. Among the many examples, {{wp|Pteranodon}} is without any doubt a notorious one, but {{wp|Iguanodon}} is known too, and would be already nearer to what Glydon is. Since Glydon's name only has the ''-don'' suffix, and since the gliding part is already covered by the first part of the name, thus making it unnecessary to reference flying with the suffix, it is very difficult to know which was the animal they had in mind when they named the character, and I would leave that out unless it is officially confirmed. Sorry for not noticing this aspect and telling you about that the first time.--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 20:36, 5 October 2017 (EDT)
:::::::It looks vaguely like a ''Pteranodon'', since it has those arm flaps. So I assumed that was where it came from. Since Pteranodon's name means "Wings, no teeth," and Glydon lacks teeth as well....are we sure Glydon's a lizard, and not just a generic reptilian creature (with wings)? [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 20:39, 5 October 2017 (EDT)
::::::::In the [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqJ9Z9UtvDA only video that was allowed by Nintendo to introduce him] he's presented as a flying lizard, effectively those membranes are common among flying lizards, not ot say that Pteranodons have wings in plavce of proper hands, which is clearly not the case of Glydon. Of course, there is always some reinterpretation, Glydon being ultimately a fictional character, but we usually go with the most similar animal species. If Nintendo will provide us with the actual species, we'll update the page. On this aspect, [https://www.nintendo.co.jp/switch/aaaca/archives/index.html the Japanese site currently doesn't state anything about his species], I think we'll have to wait for the game's guides or the in-game text.--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 21:01, 5 October 2017 (EDT)
== Mystery Kingdom with lizard-thing and poison water actually Lake Kingdom ==

As Gamexplain recently pointed out in their Odyssey direct footage analysis, the purple/poison water is definitely a lake and it's could be assumed that since all the other kingdom's land masses seem to be based around key elements of that kingdom the Mystery Kingdom would fit perfectly as the Lake Kingdom as the Lake Kingdom resembles a tropical tree, Whivh the Mystery Kingdom seems to be full of. I'm nearly 100% Certain that they're both one in the same  but what do you guys think? [[User:Seandwalsh|Seandwalsh]] ([[User talk:Seandwalsh|talk]]) 19:33, 15 September 2017 (EDT)
:I think we should wait until we have some concrete information. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 19:34, 15 September 2017 (EDT)
::It's likely, but not yet certain, although if it is confirmed feel free to write about the shape of the land masses referencing elements found in the kingdoms.--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 23:11, 15 September 2017 (EDT)

I don't think so. [https://www.mariowiki.com/images/3/39/SMO_AmiiboBox_-_Peach.png The Lake Kingdom] is well above the area in the shape of palm trees, which would've been the tropical area seen in the latest trailer.

{{User:Shokora/sig}} 23:39, 15 September 2017 (EDT)
:Umm, so? Seaside's unrelated to this discussion. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 23:52, 15 September 2017 (EDT)

::I never mentioned Seaside...

::{{User:Shokora/sig}} 00:44, 16 September 2017 (EDT)
:::Tropical area with the palm tree? I thought you meant like "Tropical beach island," as that's where Palm Trees are most often depicted. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 01:31, 16 September 2017 (EDT)

::::[https://youtu.be/EKWBv-djiKk?t=2m19s Sorry, I shouldn't have assumed that you watched the Direct.]

::::{{User:Shokora/sig}} 01:58, 16 September 2017 (EDT)

:::::I did watch the direct, and in fact added most of the new content to the page as it was going on. It's just that the area most prominently featured in the direct was the beach area. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 02:01, 16 September 2017 (EDT)

I still think it's likely the two Kingdoms are one in the same but I will wait until we have confirmation. P.S. Thanks to whoever put the toad brigade members under Toad Brigade as before they were just down as Bank Toad, Hint Toad and Captain Toad. [[User:Seandwalsh|Seandwalsh]] ([[User talk:Seandwalsh|talk]]) 14:07, 16 September 2017 (EDT)

== Leaked footage, do we trust it? ==

Footage of SMO has been leaked. My question is, do we trust it and add its info to the article? For example,

1) Cap Kingdom's regional coins are hats

2) It doesn't seem like Mario will be collecting Power Moons in the Cap Kingdom

3) Mario will need to collect 12 or less Power Moons in the Seaside Kingdom

4) More costume descriptions

5) new Power Moon location in the Luncheon Kingdom

Here's a video of various leaked footage.

https://youtu.be/BhHbGIJswj0

https://youtu.be/XkRUiG5PubU

https://youtu.be/tUaCAwWh1RY

https://youtu.be/BG16-Vq57MM

https://youtu.be/U7pTNh8zo5k

Do we trust this info?

[[User:WarioLandGoldPiramid|WarioLandGoldPiramid]] ([[User talk:WarioLandGoldPiramid|talk]])

:Well it's the official game (if anything, it looks too convincing to be fake), so yes. {{User:Mario jc/sig}} 01:33, 20 September 2017 (EDT)

::Power Moons are used for Odyssey. They will probably appear to Cap Kingdom when Mario will gets his ship.--[[User:Sonic98|Sonic98]] ([[User talk:Sonic98|talk]]) 16:17, 21 September 2017 (EDT)

== Big Chain Chomp ==
any proof of [[Big Chain Chomps]]? [[User:The yoshi co.|The yoshi co.]]
:in the video I linked (pretty sure the Nintendo Direct), during one of the camera pans around Fossil Falls, I caught glimpse of a regular-sized chain chomp with a distinctly larger one next to it from over a cliff. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 19:06, 21 September 2017 (EDT)

Show me, and put the timestamp to where the big chain chomp appears. [[User:The yoshi co.|The yoshi co.]]
:[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKWBv-djiKk] 1:49 of this. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 19:19, 21 September 2017 (EDT)

== Isle Delfino ==

So, what should we do about this? Seems like Isle Delfino (or a similar area) was found on a map used in a game advertisement. Does that mean it's a kingdom in the game?

https://gamingreinvented.com/news/isle-delfino-returning-super-mario-odyssey/

https://twitter.com/jordan_amano/status/911210097467998208/photo/1

[[User:Cheat-master30|Cheat-master30]] ([[User talk:Cheat-master30|talk]]) 18:33, 22 September 2017 (GMT)
:Probably best to wait until the game is released or footage is shown of the area itself. At this point, it's hard to tell what it's role is, or if it's just a cameo appearance meant for that advertisement. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 13:39, 22 September 2017 (EDT)

== Forgotten Isle - another possible location ==

https://youtu.be/6CojEQ50Os0?t=6m42s

Considering Fossil Falls, Lake Lamode and Bubblaine are all locations in the game, I am pretty sure Forgotten Isle is also going to be a location. Maybe one of the smaller, non-kingdom locations? I guess it's not enought evidence of us to add this yet, but let's keep it in mind.

[[User:WarioLandGoldPiramid|WarioLandGoldPiramid]] ([[User talk:WarioLandGoldPiramid|talk]])

:I think that the Forgotten Isle is that unnamed tropical kingdom mentioned in the 9/13 Direct, as I highly doubt anyone would be able to reach that area due to the poison water surrounding it, hence why it's forgotten. -WaluigiSquad11
::Well, if you take a look at this, it is confirmed as a sticker: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aNkqSOjYgA {{unsigned|Yoshi the SSM}}

== I believe I have found a source to Boxer Shorts Mario. ==

Its from a 2016 wallpaper from Nintendo of Japan. Link - https://i.redd.it/j477k2j1crlz.jpg

I think it should be added to the source of the costume.
{{unsigned|Xenoglitch}}
:We already uploaded the wallpaper {{file link|Mario beach 2016.jpg|here}}, it was uploaded by Play Nintendo too. I guess this image could indeed be the source for that costume.--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 18:23, 27 September 2017 (EDT)

== Snail Creatures in Super Mario Odyssey Winkles From SuperStar Saga? ==

Could the snails seen in the Seaside Kingdom in Odyssey be Winkles From Mario & Luigi: SuperStar Saga, or at least a related species? {{Unsigned|Seandwalsh}}
:Seems unlikely, but then again, with a remake released so close...[[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 18:25, 4 October 2017 (EDT)

== Needing amiibo to Get Outfits==
The official site states that, and I quote, "All outfits can be unlocked in-game without amiibo." So the thing about Mario's wedding outfit and hat requiring the amiibo to get should probably be removed.
[[User:Mega_Mario_Man|Mega_Mario_Man]]

== Regional Coins - only in certain kingdoms? ==

http://supermario.nintendo.com/explore/

"You can purchase some items with regular gold coins, but others will require special Regional Coins that are only available in certain Kingdoms."

According to this, it may be possible that some Kingdoms don't have regional coins? Unless they simply mean that each kind of regional coin is only available it it's own kingdom?

[[User:WarioLandGoldPiramid|WarioLandGoldPiramid]] ([[User talk:WarioLandGoldPiramid|talk]])

== Mini Goombas, not Micro Goombas ==

Now, this could theoraticly be different in the English UK and English US localisations. But we have the name officialy revealed here: https://twitter.com/SuperMario_UK/status/916332271162085380

[[User:WarioLandGoldPiramid|WarioLandGoldPiramid]] ([[User talk:WarioLandGoldPiramid|talk]])

== Mario's Wedding outfit ==

I found out that the wedding outfits do not require amiibo as the latest trailer says that they can be unlocked by progressing in the game. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6oPBIVjf8E --[[Special:Contributions/198.13.196.29|198.13.196.29]] 10:57, 7 October 2017 (EDT)


== New Kingdom? Lake Kingdom? ==

What could this be? Is it something we could add to the article?

https://youtu.be/wLLszlAeXpw

[[User:WarioLandGoldPiramid|WarioLandGoldPiramid]] ([[User talk:WarioLandGoldPiramid|talk]])

:It might just be a secret area in the Cascade Kingdom or the kingdom with the Forgotten Isle, judging from the Power Moon's colour, but I think we should wait until there's more information about this place first. {{User:Mario jc/sig}} 02:37, 8 October 2017 (EDT)

== The game will have between 15 and 20 kingdoms, most likely ==

https://m.imgur.com/oq7Z8Ey

So there are 43 souvenirs to buy at the Crazy Cap store. And from what we know ao far, every Kingdom will have a CC store, and every CC store will sell 1 sticker and 2 souvenir models. Depending on if stickers count as souvenirs or not, that's around 2 or 3 souvenirs per kingdom. That should give us a rought estimate on the lenght of the game

[[User:WarioLandGoldPiramid|WarioLandGoldPiramid]] ([[User talk:WarioLandGoldPiramid|talk]])

:If stickers count as souvenirs (so 3 souvenirs per kingdom), and assuming that there is 1 souvenir that's like a 100%-completion souvenir, then there are 42 to account for. Divide by 3, and that only points towards 14 kingdoms. [[User:MarioComix|MarioComix]] ([[User talk:MarioComix|talk]]) 18:00, 14 October 2017 (EDT)
:It's not confirmed every kingdom will have the same amount of souvenirs, this is no way can confirm and thus can't be added. --[[User:SinnohMasterGalaxy|SinnohMasterGalaxy]] ([[User talk:SinnohMasterGalaxy|talk]]) 23:16, 14 October 2017 (EDT)

== Multi Moon ==

I found this on YouTube (hopefully it hasn't been taken down yet). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIjF1ZicnHc&feature=youtu.be&t=43m5s

It seems that Multi Moons are counted as one moon when counted as part of the Power Moon list, but functions as three moons in regards to powering up the Odyssey. How should we approach this in editing for the Kingdoms? [[User:Argonstorm32|Argonstorm32]] ([[User talk:Argonstorm32|talk]]) 16:07, 21 October 2017 (EDT)

If there's more than one Multi Moon in each kingdom, perhaps we could add another column to the table for them.<br>
{{User:Ultimate Mr. L/sig}} 11:02, 22 October 2017 (EDT)

== Leaked Kingdom List ==

I've seen many mentions of a Cloud Kingdom, Lost Kingdom, Ruined Kingdom and Moon Kingdom in various leak topics on forums (like GameFAQs and 4chan), and a few pictures like this one show them too:

[https://gamingreinvented.com/media/AllKingdoms.jpg Kingdoms List]

(Note that this isn't all the kingdoms, there are apparently postgame areas too)

So, does anyone have footage from the stream confirming this? And if so, should we add them to the kingdom list on the main page?

[[User:Cheat-master30|Cheat-master30]] 13:49, 22 October 2017 (GMT)

Lost Kingdom is just Forgotten Isle's Kingdom name (Like Sand Kingdom is to Tostarena). We've seen footage of it. It's the jungle-like area with the sea of purple goo.

Ruined Kingdom (I believe the area was called Crumbledin, or something to that effect) is the gothic/medieval place we saw in the Nintendo World Championships.

I don't have footage, but here's some screenshots: https://imgur.com/a/xzLz4 

[[User:Burb|Burb]] 9:14, 22 October 2017 (EDT)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnzT6GHdb9I - Footage of Ruined Kingdom/Crumbleden


== Wario and Waluigi outfits? ==

Why are there no source references to the Wario and Waluigi outfits for Mario to wear? Yet there is one for Luigi?
Not even a footage or screenshot? [[User:gamermakerguy|gamermakerguy]]

== 2D Koopa Troopa Enemies ==

Should I add Koopa Troopas to the Enemy list? Because I saw that they were found in some 2D segments as enemies. [[User:SmashFan48|SmashFan48]] ([[User talk:SmashFan48|talk]]) 22:23, 22 October 2017 (EDT)

== Mailtoad and Yellow Toad from the Toad Brigade ==

I believe I have found Mailtoad and the yellow toad from The Toad Brigade running the Mushroom Kingdom's Crazy Cap shop. It's most likely them because they're in uniform and no other Toads in the game are in uniform besides the other brigade members as well as the fact that they're the only Toad Brigade members we haven't seen yet. Click link at your own risk as it does contain spoilers: https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=1b5AJXrH_bk [[User:Seandwalsh|Seandwalsh]] ([[User talk:Seandwalsh|talk]]) 15:13, 23 October 2017 (EDT)

== Capture list ==

Should we put that up here? The game itself has one. [[User:BooDestroyer|BooDestroyer]] ([[User talk:BooDestroyer|talk]]) 20:30, 23 October 2017 (EDT)

:I'm just going to make a note of this now, but I think that once the game is released the capture list can be fleshed out into a table, to include the target name, how it looks when Mario is controlling it, and his abilities while doing so (with controls). [[User:MarioComix|MarioComix]] ([[User talk:MarioComix|talk]]) 23:26, 24 October 2017 (EDT)

== Editing ==

Hey guys, I'm pretty new here, but I'd like to add the Power Moon names into the respective pages since I know a good source to find them all. Do you guys know how to edit the pages themselves?
{{unsigned|OneOneTwo - 112}}
:The page is protected so [[MarioWiki:Autoconfirmed users|autoconfirmed users]] and above can edit it. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 17:41, 26 October 2017 (EDT)

== Hammer Bros ==

So since this seems to be worth of a discussion, let's discuss this following issue here: We know that [[Hammer Bros]] are currently presented in two ways: Luncheon Kingdom with frying hats and frying pans instead of hammers, and Dark Side with their normal hammer appearance. The Luncheon Kingdom version is currently listed as "new enemy", something I don't quite get, because they behave like other Hammer Bros, just that they throw pans instead of hammers. Unless the game specifies them to be some kind of "Pan Bros", I don't see them being a new enemy, just a variation that isn't actually a new enemy. The capture target list should give us clarification, cause if they are listed as Hammer Bros, they... are, well, Hammer Bros. And I think the currently listed Hammer Bros are in fact from the Luncheon Kingdom. What to do about this? --[[User:Wolf|Wolf]] ([[User talk:Wolf|talk]]) 05:40, 27 October 2017 (EDT)
:Weapons are not hats. That's my view on it. And they've been called "Hammer Brothers" in both Japanese and English, why would they still be Hammer Bros if they throw something different? [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 05:57, 27 October 2017 (EDT)
::They have been named "Hammer Brothers" in Super Mario Bros. 3 as well, that's nothing unusual. [[Lakitu]]s are also known to throw different things across games, and yet they are all classified as Lakitu. And I think they have a bigger variety in the weapons they used: Gūrindais, Spinies, exploding "eggs", rolling eggs. Same story with a number of other enemies. I guess we'll see what the game says when everyone can actually play it, instead of relying on leaks. I'd still go with keeping Hammer Bros. in returning enemies for now though, and splitting them up into new and returning, in case they are, in fact, a different species. [[User:Wolf|Wolf]] ([[User talk:Wolf|talk]])
:::You're missing my point. Lakitus aren't called "Spiny Egg-Throwers," so what you just said is beyond moot. My point is that ''Hammer'' Brothers have always. Thrown. ''Hammers.'' Hence the ''name.'' [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 07:48, 27 October 2017 (EDT)
::::The Prima guide calls both the hammer-throwing and pan-throwing variants "Hammer Bros." {{User:Time Turner/sig}} 12:39, 27 October 2017 (EDT)
:::::OK then. Now we can have that type as a foot note instead of a separate point. My point was, for a thing like that when we have no official word, it's generally best to assume they're different if the name seems outright illogical had they been the same. Unless of course "Hammer" has some colloquial usage regarding cooking I don't know about, which is entirely possible. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 14:10, 27 October 2017 (EDT)
::::::In german, they're called "Hammer-Brüder" ingame, which means "Hammer Bros. ". And in fact, they behave identical to hammer-throwing Hammer Bros, except that their projectiles are pans and that they wear chef hats instead of their usual helmets. In my opinion they shouldn't be listed as new enemies, maybe as a new variant of a returning enemy. [[User:Semako|Semako]] ([[User talk:Semako|talk]]) 10:29, 29 October 2017 (EDT)

== List of captures ==

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzhvTwSNGRQ

--[[User:VoyagerDefault|VoyagerDefault]] ([[User talk:VoyagerDefault|talk]]) 15:51, 27 October 2017 (EDT)

:I'm just going to reiterate it down here, that if anyone would like to upload the entire list and then reformat it into a table that includes a picture, Mario's abilities while captured, and the controls, that would be nice. I don't quite have the luxury of enjoying the game and getting to the table myself, but I would intend to in the near future. [[User:MarioComix|MarioComix]] ([[User talk:MarioComix|talk]]) 02:49, 28 October 2017 (EDT)

== Quotes ==

Should we create {{fake link|List of Super Mario Odyssey quotes}}? I'd do it, but the only characters I could add the quotes for would be bosses, so I'll need some help.<br>
{{User:Ultimate Mr. L/sig}} 10:56, 29 October 2017 (EDT)

== Enemies ==

Why are the artwork of the enemies are small and those of the bosses not?

--[[User:VoyagerDefault|VoyagerDefault]] ([[User talk:VoyagerDefault|talk]]) 17:40, 29 October 2017 (EDT)

== "Also, in the Western packaging, the lyrics are printed on the inside of the box on the paper part of the cover." ==

The Japanese version also has english lyrics of the song in the box paper. {{unsigned|111.198.227.197}}

:It is too. Thanks for pointing that out; it's fixed now. {{User:Mario jc/sig}} 04:36, 31 October 2017 (EDT)

== Astro-Lanceur ==

Could we include information on who and what that is? I can't find any results for it via search engine. How do we even know it's a boss?<br>
{{User:Ultimate Mr. L/sig}} 18:18, 31 October 2017 (EDT)
:1) They're the Mollosque lookalikes on the moon, and 2) Prima. {{User:Time Turner/sig}} 18:19, 31 October 2017 (EDT)

== References to Super Mario Bros. ==

Shouldn't someone add that Mario enters an 8-bit section while he has captured Bowser? Bowser AND Peach become 8-bit in that section and I just figured that that technically is a reference.
{{unsigned|Moldomre}}

:The sections themselves are reference enough. We don't need to list every sprite that makes a return because they aren't individual references in and of themselves.
:{{User:Ultimate Mr. L/sig}} 15:51, 2 November 2017 (EDT)

::"individual reference sin" XD [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 19:55, 2 November 2017 (EDT)

:::8^P A typo that actually made a bit of sense.
:::{{User:Ultimate Mr. L/sig}} 19:58, 2 November 2017 (EDT)

== Assist Mode ==
Will there be a new page for "Assist Mode"?
{{unsigned|173.70.45.192}}
:Usually articles for modes are only created when there is enough information for them to be split from the main articles, such as [[Battle Mode]]. If there isn't enough information for its own article, a section about Assist Mode can be made on this page. --{{User:TheFlameChomp/sig}} 21:38, 2 November 2017 (EDT)
::Well, as far as I know, in Assist Mode, the following details are:
::1) It adds twice as much as health for Mario and the [[Life-Up Heart]] still gives him 3 more health meters thereby making it 9.
::2) Every time Mario falls down into the bottomless pit, he loses only one meter of health as a bubble forms around him and picks him back up to where he was before falling only when his health has 2 meters or more. Works the same with lava and poison waters. However, Assist Mode sometimes won't help whenever Mario is in some places where you must strategically grab more Power Moons without falling, such as going down in Moon Pipes. Also, it doesn't protect Mario from getting flattened. The life-saving bubble could be a reference to the one as seen in the [[Comet Observatory]] every time Mario and/or Luigi fall off it from [[Super Mario Galaxy]].
::3) Standing still for about five seconds regenerates Mario's health.
::4) Other than having 6 health meters, the "Assist Mode" logo is shown on the bottom right-handed corner.
::5) According to one of the Koopa Troopas of the [[Roving Racers]], Assist Mode will be turned off during Koopa Freerunning but will turn back on after either Mario wins, loses or quits the race.
::6) Assist Mode increases the timer to last twice as long in time-based challenges.
::7) Assist Mode gives Mario unlimited air supply while he is underwater.
::8) Assist Mode works in all different Kingdoms, including the [[Dark Side|Dark]] and [[Darker Side|Darker]] Sides.{{unsigned|173.70.45.192}}
::9) Assist Mode increases the amount of time a gushen can use its water from 8 seconds to 12 seconds.
:::I feel that could work as a section on this page, as there are [[Super Smash Bros. Brawl#Subspace Emissary|several]] [[Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS#Smash Run|larger]] [[New Super Mario Bros.#Mario vs. Luigi|modes]] that are covered on game articles. --{{User:TheFlameChomp/sig}} 06:54, 3 November 2017 (EDT)

==Glitches Page ==

Anyone want to start this, or should I add it? Because quite a few interesting bugs are being found by speedrunners and random people on YouTube, and I feel a page listing them should probably be added at some point.

[[User:Cheat-master30|Cheat-master30]] ([[User talk:Cheat-master30|talk]]) 01:36, 10 November 2017 (GMT)

:As long as you can cite viable sources and know how to format the page, go ahead.
:{{User:Ultimate Mr. L/sig}} 10:41, 10 November 2017 (EST)

== Question about the brochure descriptions ==
When writing up the in-game brochure descriptions ([[Cap Kingdom#Brochure descriptions|example]]), where should the tiny bottom-left sections go? ([[:File:Cap_Kingdom_Brochure.png|Here's one of the brochures]] if you haven't played the game.) Most of the ones written up so far have listed them as the third section, which may seem logical, but I quickly realized this doesn't work when I wrote up the [[Dark Side]]'s brochure descriptions. Most of the sections on that brochure are profiles for the [[Broodals]], while the bottom-left section ("One Last Door") hints at what happens after they're defeated, and having that come right in the middle of all of the Broodal profiles doesn't make sense. So I put it at the bottom, but they could also be listed above the "Three Keys to the Kingdom" sections that every brochure has (the [[Cloud Kingdom]] article did it that way before [https://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=Cloud_Kingdom&diff=prev&oldid=2334979 this edit]). The order of the sections should be consistent across all of the kingdom articles, so which should it be? {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 14:23, 12 November 2017 (EST)
:At this point you can put the section at the bottom, before the ''Three Keys to the Kingdom''. In the longer term we might anyway aim at using the actual sprites used by the game, as they contain the map and the images with the captions, which contain useful information (''Dorries'' written in plural appears in a caption).--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 15:15, 12 November 2017 (EST)

== Traditional Chinese after Simplified Chinese ==
I've noticed that all Kingdoms and enemies from Super Mario Odyssey have their Traditional Chinese names after their Simplified Chinese names. Is this a new rule for this site? I know it's really pointless to ask, but I'm curious, since most other articles on this site have their Traditional Chinese names before their Simplified Chinese names. [[User:Gold Luigi|Gold Luigi]] ([[User talk:Gold Luigi|talk]]) 17:48, 13 November 2017 (EST)

== Another Reference to Another Game ==

The music from the inside of the pyramid in the sand kingdom sounds like the music from Yold Ruins.{{unsigned|69.212.229.146}}
:It's a vague similarity and not clearly intentional, so it's not worth mentioning as a reference. {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 22:24, 24 November 2017 (EST)

== Nintendogs + Cats Reference ==

Hello, the ''dog'' which Mario can find almost everywhere is very similar in either animation and sound design from the shiba inu's from Nintendogs + Cats. Like [http://de.nintendoegs.wikia.com/wiki/Datei:AgoutiShiba2.jpg this] and [https://www.deviantart.com/art/Nintendogs-Cats-Lucy-202903714 this] one. Anyone agree? My only 'on the eye' visual difference is, is that its fur is solid in odyssey, and soft in Nintendogs. Thought I'd put it here. --[[User:YeeMeYee|YeeMeYee]] ([[User talk:YeeMeYee|talk]]) 10:49, 27 November 2017 (EST)
:The Shiba Inu is very common in Japan, though, so I'd expect such a dog in a Japanese game. It should be seen if the similarities are just due to both games featuring a realistic dog, or if there are unique traits that that explicitly reference the dog from said game.--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 13:31, 27 November 2017 (EST)
::You can also make them wear hats in that game, so I feel that would strengthen the connection. Plus you can play Frisbee with the dog just like you can in the Nintendogs series. Someone should check the Treehouse streams and see if they mention the dog by name, ie "nintendog". --{{User:Eldritchdraaks/sig}} 15:07, 27 November 2017 (EST)

== Game Controls ==

Could someone PLEASE add a section for the controls? I like to know how to play a game before I buy it and I'm sure other people do too.

[[User:Moldomre|Moldomre]] ([[User talk:Moldomre|talk]]) 16:49, 27 November 2017 (EST)

== Barrelz ==

Hi, since people watch this discussion the most: These barrels that give you coins when you ground-pound on them (like those in the [[Seaside Kingdom]] next to the volleybal minigame) are either considered obstacles or do not have their own object page yet. What's your opinion? Or should I update the information on the [[Barrel]] page, because there they're seen as obstacles thrown by Donkey Kong... I'd like to know more! --[[User:YeeMeYee|YeeMeYee]] ([[User talk:YeeMeYee|talk]]) 10:07, 28 November 2017 (EST)

== Sandbox ==
It's the same type of thing as ''Super Mario 64'' and ''Super Mario Sunshine'' in that it's mostly sandboxy, but with some levels that are linear [[Bowser in the Dark World]], for example. However, it's not as sandboxy as ''[[Donkey Kong 64]]'' (which only had Hideout Helm as a "linear" level, and even then, the challenges for unlocking the doors could be done in any order) and definitely not as much as [[Minecraft]]. So, is it a sandbox style? The answer is yes, just not the ultimate level of sandbox. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 01:02, 29 November 2017 (EST)
:I think the point of contention is whether the term ''sandbox'' is understandable for the readers. I think Nintendo used it to distinguish ''Super Mario Odyssey'', a game based on various sub-worlds separated one from the others, from ''[[ZeldaWiki:The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild|The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild]]'', an actual open-world game with just one main world, so I support the use of the term, but I'm not from a country with English as first language, so I don't know how much this term is understandable or creates confusion instead.--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 06:21, 29 November 2017 (EST)

== Possible Game Reference ==
Is it possible Nimbus Arena is a reference to Nimbus Land from Super Mario RPG?
:No, Nimbus is terminology relating to clouds, which is what Nimbus Arena and Nimbus Land are referencing.--{{User:Eldritchdraaks/sig}} 13:38, 1 December 2017 (EST)
::If it was an actual reference to Nimbus Land, we'd see cloud people, the Barrel Volcano, Valentina, Mallow, and more. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 14:14, 1 December 2017 (EST)
:::Probably not Valentina, but at the very least giant clouds with small smiles on one of there corners (distinctly designed differently from other smiley clouds) moving across the screen in the background. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 17:26, 1 December 2017 (EST)

== Picture Match Part and Puzzle Part Articles ==

So, I was thinking of creating articles for the [[Picture Match Part]]s and [[Puzzle Part]]s, but I wasn't sure whether I should merge the two different types, [[Puzzle Part (Lake Kingdom)]] with [[Puzzle Part (Metro Kingdom)]] and [[Picture Match Part (Goomba)]] with [[Picture Match Part (Mario)]] or if I should make separate articles for all four of them. I think doing them seperate would be the best but I want someone else's input. {{User:LuigiMaster123/sig}} 01:29, 3 December 2017 (EST)
:Not sure about the Puzzle Parts. As for the Picture Match Parts, I don't think those warrant articles to begin with. They should simply be merged with the [[Picture Match]] article (whenever its created). {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 01:34, 3 December 2017 (EST)
::I didn't even think of creating an article for the actual Picture Match minigame. I still think the Puzzle Parts should be separate pages, but I'll see what other users think. {{User:LuigiMaster123/sig}} 02:04, 3 December 2017 (EST)
:::There should be a [[Picture Match]] article and a [[Puzzle Part]] article. --{{User:Eldritchdraaks/sig}} 13:48, 3 December 2017 (EST)

Considering previous "minigames" such as [[Manta Ray Surfing]], [[Bob-omb Blasting]], and the likes from ''[[Super Mario Galaxy]]'' and ''[[Super Mario Galaxy 2]]'', it makes sense to create a page for Picture Match. Meanwhile, the Puzzle Parts are controlled in similar fashion, so I feel like they should be merged. [[User:MarioComix|MarioComix]] ([[User talk:MarioComix|talk]]) 17:24, 3 December 2017 (EST)

== Balloon World Mode ==

May I have the go-ahead to add info on Balloon World? I'd rather not be reprimanded for not asking first. :)

[[User:Moldomre|Moldomre]] ([[User talk:Moldomre|talk]]) 16:24, 11 January 2018 (EST)
:Go ahead! Even if something's wrong, someone will help out :) {{User:Alex95/sig}} 16:31, 11 January 2018 (EST)

Alright, the info (All that is known so far.) is up!
[[User:Moldomre|Moldomre]] ([[User talk:Moldomre|talk]]) 16:42, 11 January 2018 (EST)

== Possible seven stars reference ==

I've noticed something interesting, the goals for the jump rope challenge are both 30 and 100 jumps.
The exact same goals for Seven stars super jump challenge, plus both are jumping challenges.
Could the 30 and 100 goals be a subtle reference to this game and be added to references to other games section, or do you suppose it's just a coincidence?[[User:Pikmin theories|Pikmin theories]] ([[User talk:Pikmin theories|talk]]) 20:09, 3 March 2018 (EST)
:I'm mostly veering in coincidence territory. Having gaps like that is common-place in games. I think developers thought 50 was perhaps too much in the first round and 100 was a good round number for the second. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 20:14, 3 March 2018 (EST)
:Sounds like a coincidence to me. It's difficult to justify treating something like that as a reference without a source to prove it. {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 20:17, 3 March 2018 (EST)

== Where to put Mario Run in References? ==
Mario Run once held an Odyssey-themed event before the game was released.  I can’t put it in "references in later games" because the event was held before the game’s release.  However, it wouldn’t make any sense to put it in "references to other games" because Run was clearly referencing Odyssey, not vice versa.  Where should I put Mario Run? -{{User:YoshiFlutterJump/sig}} 21:38, 14 March 2018 (EDT)
:...Trivia? {{User:Alex95/sig}} 22:05, 14 March 2018 (EDT)
:"References in other games". See [[Super Mario Maker#References in other games]]. {{User:Yoshi the Space Station Manager/sig}} 00:06, 15 March 2018 (EDT)
::Okay, thanks! -{{User:YoshiFlutterJump/sig}} 21:45, 15 March 2018 (EDT)

== 64 costumes ==

I just had a thought...... In the references to other games section  for Mario 64 costumes with the number 64 are references to the game, but now that I think about it...... wouldn't that not belong there as that would be a reference to the system not the game right?[[User:Pikmin theories|Pikmin theories]] ([[User talk:Pikmin theories|talk]]) 20:01, 9 April 2018 (EDT)
:Well, yeah, I think it could go either way. Let's see other users' opinions on this. {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 20:19, 9 April 2018 (EDT)
::Much depends if they are referencing a baseball game for the Nintendo 64. Otherwise I think it's much more likely that they are referencing ''Super Mario 64'' as the developers always stressed how ''Super Mario Odyssey'' follows the sandbox-style level design of that game.--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 18:33, 10 April 2018 (EDT)

The football has 64 on it too.... but I don't see how it's a reference to Mario 64 if it's just the number as their are other N64 games.
what about when you have to pay Ishnail 64 coins for Don Pianta's code? would that be a reference to the system or Mario 64 then?[[User:Pikmin theories|Pikmin theories]] ([[User talk:Pikmin theories|talk]]) 20:15, 10 April 2018 (EDT)
:We're talking about ''Super Mario Odyssey'', which the developers stated being based on ''Super Mario 64'' in many ways - mainly game and level design. Of course, the 64 of ''Paper mario: The Thousand-Year Door'' is rather a reference to the system; a more fitting example might be the ''64 MHz'' in the ''Mario Kart 8'' version of N64 Toad's Turnpike, which can be a reference to both ''Mario Kart 64'' and the Nintendo 64 as well. I'm not sure that you can separate the two things, as said games have ''64'' in the name.--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 20:43, 10 April 2018 (EDT)

I think I might understand what your saying.... you're saying it's a reference to the system but because the game's based on Mario 64 by extention that also makes it a Mario 64 reference?[[User:Pikmin theories|Pikmin theories]] ([[User talk:Pikmin theories|talk]]) 20:54, 10 April 2018 (EDT)
:I'm saying that the game is explicitly based on ''Super Mario 64'' as the developers openly said that. Therefore, those ''64'' might be referencing exclusively the ''Nintendo 64'' system, but it's impossible to tell until we find more specific references, as ''64'' is also the part of the ''Super Mario 64'' name that distinguishes it from the other [[Super Mario (series)|''Super Mario'' games]].--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 21:19, 10 April 2018 (EDT)

== Pre-release and unused content page? ==

Do you think we should have that page? There is a lot of things discovered in the game's files that we can put in. Thanks! By the way, I am new but I read this wiki all the time. I'll be on a lot helping whenever you need it! From, XxMarioFanxx
:I'm sure one will be created eventually, once we have enough information to justify the page's creation. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 14:37, 7 May 2018 (EDT)
Thanks for the speedy response! From, XxMarioFanxx

== Hint art section in Gallery??? ==

Should we have all the new hint arts in the gallery? I wanted to ask before I do it. :) From, XxMarioFanxx
:The Hint Art is actually already covered separately, [[Hint Art|here]]. The new Hint Art posted on Twitter and on the [https://www.nintendo.co.jp/switch/aaaca/treasure/index.html official Japanese site] is there, as well.--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 06:53, 10 May 2018 (EDT)

== Unused Content Page ==

Is anyone here working on one for this game? Because there are quite a few interesting differences documented on sites like The Cutting Room Floor, plus screenshots and videos showing unreleased costumes like the race driver, Santa and zombie ones.

Either way, if no one else is working on one, I guess I'd better start doing that myself.

[[User:Cheat-master30|Cheat-master30]] ([[User talk:Cheat-master30|talk]]) 11:58, 13 September 2018 (GMT)

[[User:Mario jc|Mario jc]] told me that copying information from TCRF isn't allowed, so we will have to find some original content before creating the page. {{User:YoshiEgg1990/sig}}

:You misunderstood what I said. I said you can use it as reference, but not plagiarise from it. {{User:Mario jc/sig}} 07:34, 13 May 2018 (EDT)
::Oops... {{User:YoshiEgg1990/sig}}

== Typo ==

The entry for [[Super Mario Odyssey#Enemies|Mini Goomba]] in the returning enemies list says it "can be defeated with any sign of attack", which is incorrect phrasing. A Mini Goomba can be defeated with any ''kind'' of attack, but will not be defeated at any ''sign'' of attack. [[User:Migmug|Migmug]]
:Thanks, it's been corrected. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 18:44, 16 June 2018 (EDT)

== New Ratings and Box art ==

I want this on all of the other pages too but should we start adding what the GRB (Game Rating Board) rated the Mario games. The Zelda wiki has the GRB rating for their games and also can somebody add the korean box art of odyssey to the gallery page? [[User:YoshiExploshi|YoshiExploshi]] ([[User talk:YoshiExploshi|talk]]) 13:51, 24 August 2018 (EDT)
:The ratings list is handled by a template. You can bring this up in [[Template:Ratings|its talk page]] if you wish, tag it with [[Template:Talk]] too. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 14:04, 24 August 2018 (EDT)

== Is the wildlife section necessary? ==

I personally don't it's necessary at all. It bloats the character section, and nobody does anything to fix it because taking images for every wildlife is will take a lot of time for a section not found in other main game articles. [[User:Yaronos|Yaronos]] ([[User talk:Yaronos|talk]]) 03:01, 6 November 2018 (EST)
:The images are actually already uploaded on the wiki and linked on the main page, you just need to click on the titles of the subsections (''Birds'', ''Others'') to see them.--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 04:30, 6 November 2018 (EST)

== Extra Move ==

Hi! I was just playing Super Mario Odyssey and I noticed that if you do a backward somersault and press the jump button as soon as you hit the ground, you can do a double jump while going backwards. Should this be added to the Mario's Moveset part of the page? - [[User:Mario64Guy|Mario64Guy]] ([[User talk:Mario64Guy|talk]]) 11:49, 20 December 2018 (EST)

== Checkpoint locations ==
We have to address this issue sooner or later, might as well be sooner.

The ''Super Mario Odyssey'' [[Template:SMO kingdoms|kingdoms template]] currently lists every single checkpoint in the game, with links (mostly red) to each and every one of them, as if to suggest we should actually create articles for all of them. We should ''not''. Do we have articles for every Power Moon? No. Do we have articles for every [[List of treasures in Wario: Master of Disguise|treasure]] in ''Wario: Master of Disguise''? No. Should we give articles to every single solitary checkpoint in ''Super Mario Odyssey'' just because they have a name? No, no, a thousand times ''no''. We don't split Windswept Valley from [[Tiny-Huge Island]], nor do we split Hoohoo Mountain Base from [[Hoohoo Mountain]]. Something must be done.

There was a [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/51#Do_not_create_Super_Mario_Odyssey_sublocation_pages|proposal]] about this last year which the proposer ended up canceling. The problem with this proposal was that it wasn't clear enough about exactly which locations should get articles and which shouldn't. So I went over them and organized them into groups: what we should keep, what we ''might'' want to keep, and what we should get rid of.

'''KEEPERS:''' These are the areas that I think should stay. It includes three different kinds of areas.
# Towns with unique music from the rest of the kingdom (Tostarena Town, Peronza Plaza).
# Sub-areas that cause the name of the area to appear in big white text when entered (Underground Power Plant, Underwater Tunnel to the Lighthouse), or large, defined structures that contain such areas (New Donk City Hall). The only exceptions are New Donk City Hall Interior (which will be merged with the hall itself) and Deepest Underground (which is just an extension of Underground Temple and should be merged with it).
# Well-defined structures and major landmarks that don't already meet the previous criteria (Tostarena Ruins, Mayor Pauline Commemorative Park, Glass Palace).

*Areas: Top-Hat Tower, Tostarena Town, Tostarena Ruins, Jaxi Ruins, Inverted Pyramid, Underground Temple, Water Plaza, Sky Garden Tower, Deep Woods, Secret Flower Field, New Donk City Hall, Underground Power Plant, Mayor Pauline Commemorative Park, Shiveria Town, Icicle Cavern, Hollow Crevasse, Wind-Chill Cavern, Snowy Mountain, Snowline Circuit, Iceburn Circuit, Glass Palace, Underwater Tunnel to the Lighthouse, Peronza Plaza, Underground Moon Caverns, Wedding Hall, Rabbit Ridge Tower

'''BORDERLINE:''' Ones I'm not quite sure about. These locations are notable to varying degrees, and may or may not deserve articles in the long run. I'm leaning towards keeping them for now since the main point of this is weed out the really bad ones.

*Areas: Central Plaza, Desert Oasis, Moe-Eye Habitat, Forest Charging Station, New Donk City Hall Plaza, Outdoor Café, Beach House, Rolling Canyon, Lighthouse, Hot Spring Island, Goomba Woods, Mushroom Pond

'''DELETE:''' Everything not listed above belongs in the garbage, but here are some specific examples:
*Any checkpoints that are just an "entrance" to or part of a greater location (Tostarena Ruins Entrance, Tostarena Ruins Sand Pillar, Water Plaza Entrance, New Donk City Hall Rooftop).
*Any of the "islands in the sky" that paintings lead to (Southwestern Floating Island, Diving Platform). They're just platforms with a Power Moon on them. Not notable enough.
*Meaningless, nondescript checkpoint locations (Tostarena Northwest Reaches, Ocean Trench East/West, Top of the Peak Climb).

I plan to make a proposal out of this soon, with options to keep the "keepers" only, include the "borderlines", or everything. It will, of course, be preliminary. If we keep the "borderline" articles, we can always weed out the ones we don't want with later proposals. Conversely, later proposals can call for the creation of articles previously deemed unworthy. There is absolutely no perfect solution to this problem, since in several cases, what qualifies as "notable enough" to have a page is subjective. However, we ''need'' to draw a line. So, any thoughts or questions? {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 21:09, 13 February 2019 (EST)

: While I agree that some of the locations are borderline mundane, I feel that if the developers placed a checkpoint at that location and named it, it was significant enough for the player to return to. Half of the articles are already done, and I actually would be willing to finish the last half off if nobody minds. It's always possible to delete after everything's done later, so it can't hurt to have all the pages and then clear up the garbage later...
:EDIT: This was last year, lol. I'll do it anyway though. [[User:4e696e6a6f795844|4e696e6a6f795844]] ([[User talk:4e696e6a6f795844|talk]]) 22:22, March 10, 2020 (EDT)
::Should wait for a consensus first. I'm not sure what has and hasn't been done yet, though. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 22:25, March 10, 2020 (EDT)
:::@Alex95: You can see how much is done by looking at the [[Template:SMO kingdoms|kingdoms template]]. As mentioned, about half of them have been made.
:::@4e696e6a6f795844: I don't see the point in waiting to create a bunch of articles that are just going to be deleted. It will be a waste of time and effort, and I've already been waiting a ''year'' for this. {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 21:22, May 10, 2020 (EDT)

I think that this is a good idea, and that the "borderline" locations should be kept since they are locations that have a slightly different environment than the rest of the kingdom, such as Desert Oasis having water and palm trees and Goomba woods having Goombas and pine trees. {{User:Matthew aka Mario}} 10:41, April 12, 2021

== I have a suggestion. ==

I was going to do this but the page is protected so I couldn't. Anyway, I think that under section 2.1 Controls, we should remove the "Single Player Controls" and "Two Player Controls" labels from the column names, as Pro Controllers and dual Joy-Con can also be used in 2-Player mode, including for controlling Cappy. I believe the labels should instead read "Dual Joy-Con/Pro Controller" and "Horizontal Joy-Con". Since horizontal Joy-Con can only be used in 2-Player mode, I suppose you could add "(Two Player Mode only)" to the Horizontal Joy-Con column label, but you get the gist. [[User:Aykrivwassup|Aykrivwassup]] ([[User talk:Aykrivwassup|talk]]) 17:42, August 27, 2019 (EDT)
:I'm afraid you've just contradicted yourself in terms of multiplayer control options. Mind rephrasing your request? {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 18:03, August 27, 2019 (EDT)

== Something odd.... ==

Does anyone else notice Mario needs air underwater but can survive on the moon without a spacesuit? I, for one, think it deserves a mention. [[User:Flogger]]
:I don't really think so, things like this are pretty random within the series- the same thing occurs in ''Super Mario Galaxy'' and ''Super Mario Galaxy 2'', as well as probably a few other games that aren't coming to mind immediately. It's easier to sign just using this <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>, rather than typing out the full link, and you should really leave your name visible when commenting so people know that it's you rather than having to click the link. [[User:BBQ Turtle|BBQ Turtle]] ([[User talk:BBQ Turtle|talk]]) 11:55, January 2, 2020 (EST)
::And Super Paper Mario does the same thing in reverse (can breathe underwater, can't breathe in space). It's something that's been weird and inconsistent across basically the entire franchise's history, I don't think we need to mention it. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 11:59, January 2, 2020 (EST)

==Speedtech==
I would add some "advanced movement" with things like BUMP or Instant Roll Cancels, techniques used in speedrunning.
[[user:klegum|klegum]]

:If we were a speedtech wiki, then gladly. Otherwise, we generally want to avoid "walkthrough-ism" where possible. --{{User:Lord Grammaticus/sig}} 17:47, March 15, 2020 (EDT)

== Mario Kart Tour globe ==

In official artwork, the globe used uses the map design from this game. Ive made an image showing matching coastlines here. even the lake and an island is present, it is simplified but it is based on it. [[User:RSM|RSM]], hoping to make amends soon. 12:10, March 5, 2022 (EST)
[[File:MKT vs SMO Coastline.png|thumb]]

== Remove Enemy Table Spoils Column? ==
{{talk}}
I'm don't think I like spoils section in enemy tables. The big thing here is that almost everything in Odyssey appears in five different contexts with different kinds of rewards. [[Yoofoe]] is probably the big stickler here, considering the Power Moon and the Life Up Heart are from different circumstances yet saying which ones they are would shove much of the Yoofoe article into the enemy table's box. Also [[Cheep Cheep]], where the one you fish out may as well be different objects than the ones you can bump into but both of their "spoils" are lumped together as though they are interacted with in the same way. [[User:Salmancer|Salmancer]] ([[User talk:Salmancer|talk]]) 22:14, August 23, 2024 (EDT)
:I am biased because I am the person who first started integrating this information for the 3D ''Super Mario'' games many years ago, beginning with ''[[Super Mario Galaxy]]'', but I believe it is brief and valuable information. What an enemy drops when defeated sometimes varies on the context, but I feel like that is information that can be further stipulated on their respective enemy articles. Simply having quick cursory context clarifying that enemies sometimes drop things different from others provided mechanical context that I think is nice. - [[User:Nintendo101|Nintendo101]] ([[User talk:Nintendo101|talk]]) 22:44, August 23, 2024 (EDT)
::I think the enemy spoils section should be kept. [[User:Super Mario RPG|Super Mario RPG]] ([[User talk:Super Mario RPG|talk]]) 23:29, August 23, 2024 (EDT)

== Does the Roll Cancel exist? ==
I tried to do a Roll Cancel, but there seems to not be any kind of visual indicator or unique effect. Mechanics relating to ending a roll quickly aren't listed on Roll. This page's controls section is based heavily on the Prima guide, but the official excerpt includes the control scheme and does not have an entry for Roll Cancel. Can Mario cancel a roll at will (therefore being better at Spin Dashing than Sonic the Hedgehog) or is the Roll Cancel just a pipe dream? [[User:Salmancer|Salmancer]] ([[User talk:Salmancer|talk]]) 06:14, December 23, 2024 (EST)

Ah. I misread the instruction. I was pressing A and B and then when that didn't work I pressed X and Y. It works by pressing A and X or B and Y. (Or perhaps A and Y or B and X if you're a rebel) This is one of those oddballs isn't it. The "roll cancel" is just cancelling a Roll into a Cap Throw, so it doesn't even have it's own animation. On the other hand, no other combination of inputs can work this way, since A causes Long Jump and X makes the roll go faster. And it isn't just canceling the Long Jump with a Cap Throw because Long Jumps are accompanied by Mario's hollers, which aren't heard with this input.  Roll Cancel stands, though maybe we can change the name to "Cancel a roll" so it is less name-like? [[User:Salmancer|Salmancer]] ([[User talk:Salmancer|talk]]) 11:15, December 23, 2024 (EST)

I think that this is a case where I would sacrifice specificity for clarity. "press {{button|switch|y}} or {{button|switch|x}} and {{button|switch|b}} or {{button|switch|a}} at the same time" is really hard to parse, even if its right. I'd try "press one button from both pairs of face buttons at the same time" [[User:Salmancer|Salmancer]] ([[User talk:Salmancer|talk]]) 11:22, December 23, 2024 (EST)