Editing Talk:Super Mario Maker

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==Para-wing==
I saw a video of Mario Maker and you can give goomba's and koopa wings, not suprisingly but you can aslo give '''Hammer Bro's''' and '''Piranha Plants''' wings so they become '''Para-Hammer Bro's''' and '''Para-Piranha Plants''' should we create articles for a Para-Hammerbro and Para-Piranha Plant or just put it in this page?{{User:Billy-Luigi/sig}} 11:40, 11 June 2014 (EDT)
:It'd be best to wait until game release, to get the full information on them, but I assume they'd get new articles. {{User|Yoshi876}}

== Enemy list ==

Is the extensive list of enemies really necessary? Can't we just put the four kinds and say that any of them can have wings or be put in towers or both?
{{unsigned|Toadbrigade5}}
:As they are separate enemies, they will separate articles, therefore the kinds are necessary. {{User|Yoshi876}}
::Can we at least make a chart? {{unsigned|Toadbrigade5}}
:::When there are available sprites then a chart may be a good idea. {{User|Yoshi876}}

== Power-Ups ==
Is there any confirmation that the new slim Mushrooms are called Luigi Mushrooms? --[[User:Mariofan5000|Mariofan5000]] ([[User talk:Mariofan5000|talk]]) 16:13, 15 June 2014 (EDT)
:Yes, there is a source right next to its name in the powerups section. {{User:'Shroom64/sig}}
::Did the developers say that or was it an untrustworthy E3 kioskperson? --[[User:Hiccup|Hiccup]] ([[User talk:Hiccup|talk]]) 13:00, 17 June 2014 (EDT)
:::If a source isn't credible, it shouldn't be put in the article at all. I think it's fine. {{User:'Shroom64/sig}}
The luigi mushroom makes you skinny' and I don't know if any more power-ups will be in the game.-Joseph.

==Separate articles on small enemies variations==
Separate articles on small enemies variations are a bad idea, in my opinion. Are we going to have "Blue Flying Goomba with 2 Koopa Paratroopas underneath then below that an upside down waluigi poison fireflower" ? --[[User:Hiccup|Hiccup]] ([[User talk:Hiccup|talk]]) 13:00, 17 June 2014 (EDT)
:Obviously what you mentioned is absurd, but with tower and flying variation enemies already existing, those kinds do deserve an article. {{User|Yoshi876}}
::I don't know what you're getting at with that "Blue flying goomba..." thing you said. That's four separate things. But see, we already have articles for enemies like that. Like Paratroopas and Paragoombas, and ''especially'' the emotional enemies from Super Princess Peach. {{User:'Shroom64/sig}}

== Merge Goomba Tower, Koopa Troopa Tower, etc... to one article: Enemy Towers ==

I think its a good Idea[[User:Toadbrigade5|Toadbrigade5]] ([[User talk:Toadbrigade5|talk]]) 22:56, 20 June 2014 (EDT)
:Sounds reasonable, but ''why'' do you think it's a good idea? Is it the gigantic new amount of enemies that can now be put into towers? I would suggest then, that aside from Goomba Tower which already has an article anyway, we could put the information of the tower variation in the enemy's article? Like perhaps, "A tower variation of this enemy also exists as well."? {{User:'Shroom64/sig}}
::Why? What makes these new tower enemies less deserving of an article than a Goomba Tower? Nothing. Like a Goomba Tower or a Shy Stack they will act differently from a normal, therefore they will receive their own article. {{User|Yoshi876}}

:::I disagree:
:::1) because we do not know how many enemies there are in the game so it is said to be a big problem to create those pages;
:::2) From this point of view we should create a single page for all the enemies with wings or of all those enemies of ''Paper Mario'' with helmets sharp.--[[User:Sonic98|Sonic98]] ([[User talk:Sonic98|talk]]) 06:14, 21 June 2014 (EDT)
::::It won't be a problem, articles are meant to be created for new things, like these tower enemies. And we do create articles for those, [[Paragoomba]], [[Koopa Paratroopa]] (wings), [[Spiky Parabuzzy]], [[Hyper Spiky Goomba]] (Spikes). {{User|Yoshi876}}


Thing is, that's like merging all spiked enemies together. You can create the page, but merging isn't a good idea. - {{User:Ninelevendo/sig}} 08:36, 21 June 2014 (EDT)

However, I don't think a tower enemy is anything but more enemies stacked on top of eachother. That means you can put any two enemies on top of them and call it a tower. They don't even act different
{{unsigned|Toadbrigade5}}
:We already have articles on Tower enemies already, as they act different enough for us to consider them different. There is no reason why these ones should not get full articles whilst others do. {{User|Yoshi876}}
::He has a point. Sledge Bros. are heavier Hammer Bros.. Galoombas are Goombas that are round and have more resistance. They get their own articles. Every existing enemy variation has an article. Why not towers? {{User:'Shroom64/sig}}
:::Yes we also created pages like angry hammer bros and sad goombas and stuff. The more articles the more fun :P{{User:Billy-Luigi/sig}} 13:55, 21 June 2014 (EDT)


::::Emotion enemies, Galoombas, spike variations, etc act differently. I am not saying merge exsiting Para-variations or emotion variations, but I don't think that tower is an actual variation, since they act exactly the same as the base enemy. [[User:Toadbrigade5|Toadbrigade5]] ([[User talk:Toadbrigade5|talk]]) 17:18, 21 June 2014 (EDT)

:::::Even the flying enemies are the same as those based only flying when hit and lose their wings. Do you mean that the enemy tower still do not deserve their own pages?

:::::Tower enemies take more hits than the standard enemy. {{User|Yoshi876}}
::::::I think they should have a page, don't get me wrong, but I think they should have the same page. [[User:Toadbrigade5|Toadbrigade5]] ([[User talk:Toadbrigade5|talk]]) 17:40, 21 June 2014 (EDT)

Well, tower enemies can be different...<br>A Goomba Tower can be tall enough that Mario would have to find a bigger surface to jump on them. The Shy Stack from Paper Mario cannot be jumped on until whittled down.<br>Plus, because this is, as you point out, a huge collection of enemies, we'll see a lot about their ''individual'' function. What happens when you stomp on the top Koopa of a Koopa Tower? What's the best way to get rid of a Hammer Bro. Tower when they're constantly filling the screen with hammers?<br>We already have articles for stacks of enemies like this. Why suddenly change it to a whole page for each and every one? {{User:'Shroom64/sig}}

== Is this going to be a download or disc? ==

I really need to know if this is going to be a Wii U disc or if it has to be downloaded. Hopefully it will be a disc. Because I don't download anything on my Wii U or 3DS unless it's free --[[User:Splouge|Splouge]] ([[User talk:Splouge|talk]]) 17:45, 26 June 2014 (EDT)
:We don't know yet. {{User:Misty/sig}} 18:41, 26 June 2014 (EDT)
:It'll probably be a download to be honest. [[User:Binarystep|Binarystep]] ([[User talk:Binarystep|talk]]) 22:39, 7 March 2015 (EST)
::Please don't reply to 9 month old discussions, thank you. [[User:Laikue|Laikue]] ([[User_talk:Laikue|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Laikue|contribs]]) 01:54, 8 March 2015 (EST)

== Enemy Tower Article? ==


I obviously don't think the tower articles should be merged, but, seeing as to how multiple enemy species can be stacked on top of each other, not just the same one, should we still have a page under that name? {{User:'Shroom64/sig}}
:I don't think the tower articles should be merged, but I don't think we should make more either. Enemy Tower sounds professional and I think it is a good idea. (This was sent by Toadbrigade5, but I forgot to login) {{unsigned|128.12.80.152}}
::That's terrible logic, we either have all or none. {{User|Yoshi876}}
:::What I meant was, still have the articles for Goomba Tower, Piranha Plant Tower etc., but still have an Enemy Tower page since a Tower can also be made with multiple enemy types. I was not at all suggesting that we don't make other articles. {{User:'Shroom64/sig}}
::::Stacking enemies on top of each other does NOT create a "new" type of enemy. This is obviously a design convenience for people who are using this custom tool to make levels. I'd strongly advocate for the deletion of such articles, ESPECIALLY the stacked articles. If they were their own category of enemy (say you click and drag them and it instantly creates a stack), I MIGHT reconsider but it's not the case here. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 22:09, 8 December 2014 (EST)

== Too many enemies ==

That is fact. We've only seen Goomba, Koopa, Buzzy, Spiny, Lakitu, Piranha Plant, Hammer bro, and Blooper, and each one has eight variants we are making pages on. And not to mention that Bullet Bill Blaster can be loaded with anything, so are each of those a new enemy? I honestly think we're in for trouble if we make a page for about 50 time 8 enemies all in this game. I mean, thats ridiculous.[[User:Toadbrigade5|Toadbrigade5]] ([[User talk:Toadbrigade5|talk]]) 00:53, 6 December 2014 (EST)
:Responses?[[User:Toadbrigade5|Toadbrigade5]] ([[User talk:Toadbrigade5|talk]]) 14:42, 6 December 2014 (EST)
::Are all our pages on [[:Template:Goomba|Goombas]] ridiculous? It may be a lot, but there's no reason not to. {{User|Yoshi876}}
:::Oh boy, are we going to have to do alot. The way we're going I'm honestly predicting that we might have to make 200 pages at bare minimum for the enemies alone...[[User:Toadbrigade5|Toadbrigade5]] ([[User talk:Toadbrigade5|talk]]) 15:27, 6 December 2014 (EST)
::::Because this is a custom maker thing, I really ''DO'' question the validity of creating articles for every single damn modified enemy in the game. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}}
:::::Finally someone speaks sense. Baby Luigi, do you think we should start a proposal? This is really dimming my opinion on the game. Sigh... we may be looking at 1000 new pages. Just wait till someone suggest we make pages for individual combinations, like Buzzy Beetle under Goomba under Spiny. I suggest we take out the Tower Variants. That seems the most valid for deletion to me.[[User:Toadbrigade5|Toadbrigade5]] ([[User talk:Toadbrigade5|talk]]) 23:24, 8 December 2014 (EST)
::::::So people who don't share your opinion are senseless? Good to know. The way I see it, they are separate enemies from their parent articles, we already have various pages on Para and Tower enemies and if we exclude these ones, then why not exclude the rest? And again Toadbrigade5 "too much work" boo bloody hoo, did you see anyone complaining about the amount of work required when ''Smash'' came out? No. Just because it's "too much work" is not a valid excuse, otherwise huge overhauls would never be completed. Something I can see working is merging the Para and the Huge towers into the normal tower articles. {{User|Yoshi876}}
:::::::My apologies Yoshi876, that was an unintended implication. My complaint isn't due to the massive workload, I'm just unsure the massive quantities of enemies deserve a page. You see, an abundance of pages on one game will A) Create lots of stubs. I mean, we can't say more about Hammer Bro. Tower than Hammer Bros act exactly the same throwing hammers. Unique enmies like para-spinies that shoot spikes in cardinal directions would be great, but this many pages just seems like overkill coverage of the game. B) This game is going to make everything else look undercovered. And I have to go. But sorry for the offense Yoshi876, really sorry, I don't mean to hurt feelings.[[User:Toadbrigade5|Toadbrigade5]] ([[User talk:Toadbrigade5|talk]]) 16:00, 9 December 2014 (EST)
::::::::That is alright, just some poor wording on your part, you can work on that for the future :P. Now, it won't create any stubs, stubs are articles that lack content, and those articles, whilst being small, would not be lacking articles. I don't see how it'd cause things to look undercovered. I'm sure many enemy variants do that. However, there was been a discussion on the forum, and the majority are opposed to the decision for them all to get full articles. {{User|Yoshi876}}
:I agree with you. There's no need to create lots of small articles about stuff that is essentially the same. I hate the "<enemy> Tower" pages since they are nothing more than stacked enemies (also, players will be able to stack ''different enemies'', will we have to create a page for every single combination, or to create an equally ridiculous "Different enemies Tower" page?). Also, "Giant/Grand/Big/Colossal/Gargantuan Whatever" will behave almost exactly like regular enemies, the few differences could be easily listed right on this page, as well as "Para" versions and "Para Big" versions. Most of these pages will have a conjectural name, which is bad too. [[File:KoopaTroopa!.png|35px]] [[User:MegaKoopa|<span style="font-family:Verdana; font-size:18px; color:#302b7a;">MegaKoopa</span>]] [[User talk: MegaKoopa|<span style="font-family:Verdana; font-size:10px; color:#496dd1;">Talk</span>]] 16:23, 9 December 2014 (EST)

== More Palettes? ==

"and it has been stated that others will also be available in the final game[2]." Source [2] was created at the time of E3 2014, before we knew about the Mario 3/World themes. Thus, it's possible that Mario 3 and World were the only ones remaining, so I believe this statement should be removed. {{unsigned|71.226.98.181}}

==Koji Kondo==
Since I can't edit the trivia section, I was going to add: "Mario Maker is Koji Kondo's first lead score since Super Mario Sunshine and his first solo score since The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time". After all, his music for both series is iconic. {{unsigned|SimpsonsMan1234}}

== Extra space ==

Hi!

There's an extra space which should be removed, in section "Differences from base-games".<br>
''(Also Lakitu clouds can still be '''ridden. Wall''' jumping and pound the grounding is made possible.)''

Greetings,
[[User:Wizdeck|Wizdeck]] ([[User talk:Wizdeck|talk]]) 17:43, 12 January 2015 (EST)
:Thanks, the minor change has been made. {{User:Mario/sig}} 18:26, 12 January 2015 (EST)

== Mario Maker is available as retail and digital download ==

* I think that mario maker is available as retail and digital download as both [https://www.gamestop.ie/Wii%20U/Games/46672/mario-maker gamestop] and [http://www.amazon.com/Mario-Maker-Wii-U/dp/B00KWFCSB2 amazon] and [http://www.game.co.uk/en/mario-maker-301285 game] have the game available as pre-order both gamestop and amazon have the same box art thought game has different box art and its too expensive to be an code in a box as it cost around 50.00 to 40.00 also [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mario_Maker wikipedia] says its available as retail and digital download. [[Special:Contributions/178.167.254.156|178.167.254.156]] 17:03, 22 January 2015 (EST)
:Since when are stores are a reliable source? --[[User:Hiccup|Hiccup]] ([[User talk:Hiccup|talk]]) 12:59, 26 February 2015 (EST)

==Not release date==
The date is a placeholder date You should change it. I know this because Nintendo and wikipedia this still say "early 2015" or "ww2015" {{unsigned|67.161.81.15}}

You have a good point there. I'm not sure I shold change it. [[User:MarioKart7player|MarioKart7player]] ([[User talk:MarioKart7player|talk]]) 08:20, 18 February 2015 (EST)

== For clarification ==

'''No, this is NOT a fan project - it's an official product from Nintendo, which means no, you can't request what stuff should be added.'''

In regards to the amount of anonymous editors who apparently haven't gotten that memo, Laikue raises something of a valid point - should this talk page be protected as well? {{User:Lord Grammaticus/sig}} 18:47, 2 February 2015 (EST)

:Looking at the edit history, all the anonymous editors that are adding the requests have their IP number starting with 46.130. I think it is the same guy switching computers or with a dynamic IP. This makes IP blocking difficult, so semi-protecting the talk page is a good idea. [[User:Jazama|Jazama]] ([[User talk:Jazama|talk]]) 16:30, 3 February 2015 (EST)
::He just struck again, I'd say an IP block would do good. [[User:Laikue|Laikue]] ([[User_talk:Laikue|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Laikue|contribs]]) 22:02, 19 February 2015 (EST)

== When exactly will this be released? ==

When is it? It doesn't say.

{{User:PrincessJojora/sig|[[Sammer's Kingdom]]}}
:That's because an official release date is not announced by the time of this writing. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 20:01, 20 February 2015 (EST)

==Proposal: what to do about all those sub-enemies?==
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<span style="color:red;font-family:Comic Sans MS;font-size:150%">DO NOT CREATE ARTICLES 0-15-5-0</span>

Let's nip this in the bud, shall we? With all the variety of enemy modifications, the question of whether or not we should give articles for all of these combinations has come up. On one hand, there have been many, ''many'' enemy subspecies over the years that basically constitute as "this enemy +1 height" or "this enemy but with a tail", and we're no stranger to giving them individual articles. On the other hand, none of these enemies are officially named or even recognized (there's no "Para-Spiny", "Para-Buzzy", "Para-Blooper", etc., but rather the ability to add wings to various enemies). <s>I'm personally for having individual articles (though I do have a bit of trepidation about the "Giant Para-X Tower" and whatnot that will seemingly just retread all the other info)</s> (the opposition has very good points, but I want to see how the suggested compromises pan out), but regardless, there's already been a few arguments about it, and I think it's best to decide what to do before the game comes out.

'''Proposer''': {{User|Time Turner}}<br>
'''Deadline''': March 8, 2015 23:59 GMT

===Create the Articles===

===Do Not Create the Articles===
#{{User|Baby Luigi}} Per [http://www.marioboards.com/index.php?topic=29237.msg1622523#msg1622523 myself] and [http://www.marioboards.com/index.php?topic=29237.msg1622788#msg1622788 Glowsquid], and what I said earlier here, "Stacking enemies on top of each other does NOT create a "new" type of enemy. This is obviously a design convenience for people who are using this custom tool to make levels. I'd strongly advocate for the deletion of such articles, ESPECIALLY the stacked articles. If they were their own category of enemy (say you click and drag them and it instantly creates a stack), I MIGHT reconsider but it's not the case here."
#{{User|Glowsquid}} - What I said. This is like making an article on the pre-built assets of WarioWare D.I.Y. I can't wait for our green blade of grass, blue blade of grass, and red blade of grass overlords.
#{{User|Chocolate Mario}} - There would be an awful lot of articles to create here if every single variation of enemy got its own page, and I don't think these articles would convey much information beyond the obvious to the reader.
#{{User|Vommack}} Per Glowsquid in the comments. Revisit this post-release.
#{{User|Walkazo}} - Per Vommack and Baby Luigi (and by extension, per Glowsquid as well).
#{{User|Tails777}} Per Baby Luigi
#{{User|Magikrazy}} This game isn't even out yet. We should at least wait until we decide. For now, I say no articles.
#{{User|Ghost Jam}} Per all. As noted by Glowsquid below, there may be something to be done when the game is formally released, so not against revisiting this at a later date.
#{{User|Andymii}} Per all, though I'm not totally against this idea in general. However, seeing that the game hasn't been released, we should probably wait it out. We don't want to create articles about characters we barely know about, then have a proposal dealing with deleting all those articles.
#{{User|Lumastar}} Per all. I'm glad that everyone is hyped for this game, but it's just too soon. Let's wait a while before we go and create articles for all of these enemies.
#{{User|Binarystep}} Per all. We don't have seperate pages for things like "Boo Blah Holding a Piro Dangle" or "Bush With Three Red Berries and a Pink One".
#{{User|SmokedChili}} Creating articles for enemies that '''players''' can create by themselves sounds like a terrible idea to me. Also per all.
#{{User|WiiURob}} Per all.
#{{User|Mario}} I'm still on the fence, but I decided to choose the option closest to "doing nothing" since the game isn't out yet.
#{{User|Stonehill}} Per Mario. The game isn't out yet, so '''why bother'''?

===Compromise #1: Articles for each enemy category===
#{{User|Laikue}} I feel like this would work best, without flooding the entire wiki with countless new articles. Just an update, I'm saying we do this when the game comes out, I don't think we're at a point where we could realistically do the articles now.
#{{User|Yoshi876}} I feel this is the best course of action overall.
#{{User|LudwigVon}} Per Laikue.
#{{User|Toadbrigade5}} ''Per my self in the comments below and Yoshi876 in the comments..'' Screw it these are close enough.
#{{User|The Mario Gamer}} Per Lakiue

===Compromise #2: Articles for unique enemies===

===Comments===
Is it possible for a kind of compromise here? Because I think what [http://www.marioboards.com/index.php?topic=29237.msg1622828#msg1622828 Sifi] says is probably the best course of action. I think this stuff should be covered, just not with individual enemy pages, so instead of Para-Hammer Bro (and so forth), Big Hammer Bro (and so forth) and Hammer Bro Tower (and so forth), we have Winged (Mario Maker), Tower (Mario Maker), Big (Mario Maker) etc. {{User|Yoshi876}}

I would like to propose a compromise. First off, I believe Wings and Size will constitute a new article DEPENDING on how it acts.

Para Spinies shoot spikes in all directions, this is different from a normal Spiny, so it should have an article.
Big Goombas split into small goombas, which is different than if it was just a large Goomba.
Big Koopas yield Giant Shells which have different properties.

But something that just has a larger hit box and does nothing different doesn't count. 

Second, Stacking Enemies should be acknowledged, but not made articles for. I'd say we move Goomba Tower to Enemy Tower, and incorporate all Tower info. I mean, Buzzies, Hammer Bros, Fire Bros, Items, and Bubbles are already a part of the Towers, so just calling it Goomba seems unfair.

I'd say Big Winged and etc... which are combinations that yield no new properties should also not recieve pages. THis is because each property is already covered for the enemy. 

In short terms, create articles as if enemy properties, and not combinations of properties. Properties that are common between enemies should share a page. This won't effect any exsisting pages, will keep consistant, and reduce the massive ammount of new pages. Time Turner, if you agree with me, can you incoorporate some of this as an option in the proposal?[[File:Toad-brigade model CTTT.png|35px|]][[User:toadbrigade5|<font color=red><big>'''Toad'''</big></font>]][[User talk:toadbrigade5| <small>and his</small><font color=grey> '''brigade!'''</font>]][[File:Toadette model CTTT.png|35px]] 17:17, 22 February 2015 (EST)

@Baby Luigi: I knew there was something that I found off. I've eliminated my vote and, following Yoshi876 and Toadbrigade's suggestions, I've added in two new options based on their compromises. {{User:Time Turner/sig}}

Better yet, wait for Mario Maker's release and see how the enemy modifier function is implemented before suggesting compromises that could end up not being applicable. --[[User:Glowsquid|Glowsquid]] ([[User talk:Glowsquid|talk]]) 20:35, 22 February 2015 (EST)

Whats all the compromise #1: Articles for each enemy category and compromise #2: Articles for unique enemies and comments for? I want to know? and so as do not create the articles? [[File:Mario MK7.png|70px]] [[User:Mario Kart 7 Rules]] ([[User Talk:Mario Kart 7 Rules|talk]] &middot; [[Special:Contributions/Mario Kart 7 Rules|edits]]) [[User:Mario Kart 7 Rules/sig]] 08:53, 26 February 2015 (EST)

SOME ONE REPLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [[File:Mario MK7.png|70px]] [[User:Mario Kart 7 Rules]] ([[User Talk:Mario Kart 7 Rules|talk]] &middot; [[Special:Contributions/Mario Kart 7 Rules|edits]]) [[File:Luigi MK7.png|70px]] 20:03, 27 February 2015 (EST)

:The compromise is a middle-ground option for those who don't want an excess article and for those that want the types of enemies documented. Otherwise, your questions aren't clear. {{User:Mario/sig}} 00:50, 1 March 2015 (EST)

== Mario Maker has been delayed ==

Mario Maker has been [http://www.gamespot.com/articles/mario-maker-may-launch-later-than-we-expected/1100-6425023/ delayed] and the article still says early 2015 it should be changed. [[Special:Contributions/178.167.254.95|178.167.254.95]] 09:16, 25 February 2015 (EST)
:Feel free to change it yourself. {{User:Time Turner/sig}}
I could but unfortunately the page is protected and i am unable to change it. [[Special:Contributions/178.167.254.95|178.167.254.95]] 09:16, 25 February 2015 (EST)

:It appears fixed now. [[User:Andymii|Andymii]] ([[User talk:Andymii|talk]]) 15:51, 25 February 2015 (EST)

== Only three styles? ==

In the 1/4/2015 Nintendo Direct, no new visual styles were announced... yet. {{User:Infinite8/sig}} 21:25, 1 April 2015 (EDT)
::SMB, SMB3, SMW and NSMBU. I count four :P --[[User:Hiccup|Hiccup]] ([[User talk:Hiccup|talk]]) 16:05, 4 April 2015 (EDT)
:::What I'm talking about was the styles other than SMB. I know there's four, and I think they're going to reveal more styles later, maybe E3. {{User:Infinite8/sig}} 22:27, 4 April 2015 (EDT)

== Game-Exclusive Stuff ==

It seems the game-exclusive stuff can used in all themes

*POW Blocks never appeared in Super Mario Bros. and Super Mario World
*Note Blocks never appeared in Super Mario Bros.
*Boos never appeared in Super Mario Bros.
*Wigglers never appeared in Super Mario Bros. and Super Mario Bros. 3
*Chain Chomps never appeared in Super Mario Bros. and Super Mario World
*Thwomps never appeared in Super Mario Bros.
*Cannons never appeared in Super Mario Bros. and Super Mario World
*Hammer Bros. never appeared in Super Mario World
*Bloopers never appeared in Super Mario World
*Kuribo Shoes never appeared in Super Mario Bros.
*Magikoopas never appeared in Super Mario Bros. and Super Mario Bros. 3
*Fishbones never appeared in Super Mario Bros. and Super Mario Bros. 3
*Missile Bills never appeared in Super Mario Bros. and Super Mario World
*Bowser Jr.s never appeared in Super Mario Bros., Super Mario Bros. 3 and Super Mario World
*Koopa Clown Cars never appeared in Super Mario Bros. and Super Mario Bros. 3
*Spike Tops never appeared in Super Mario Bros. and Super Mario Bros. 3
*Sledge Bros. never appeared in Super Mario Bros. and Super Mario World
*Venus Fire Traps never appeared in Super Mario Bros. and Super Mario World
*Circling Boo Buddiess never appeared in Super Mario Bros. and Super Mario Bros. 3
*Firebars never appeared in Super Mario Bros. 3 and Super Mario World
*Rocket Engines never appeared in Super Mario Bros. and Super Mario World
*Grinders never appeared in Super Mario Bros., Super Mario Bros. 3 and New Super Mario Bros. U
*Stretches never appeared in Super Mario Bros., Super Mario World and New Super Mario Bros. U
*Dry Boness never appeared in Super Mario Bros.
*Rocky Wrenches never appeared in Super Mario Bros. and Super Mario World
*Monty Moles never appeared in Super Mario Bros. and Super Mario Bros. 3

Since Boos are going to return the Ghost House is likely to be an background --[[Special:Contributions/46.130.34.176|46.130.34.176]] 03:33, 23 June 2015 (EDT)
:Ghost House is a background, as can be seen in various videos --[[User:Hiccup|Hiccup]] ([[User talk:Hiccup|talk]]) 08:17, 23 June 2015 (EDT)
:[[Goomba's Shoe]]s don't appear in ''[[Super Mario Bros.]]'', ''[[Super Mario World]]'' or ''[[New Super Mario Bros. U]]''. --[[User:Hiccup|Hiccup]] ([[User talk:Hiccup|talk]]) 08:31, 26 June 2015 (EDT)

== New Items/Objects ==

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=o5phyWRMDjw 
Shows Podoboo's as new enemies.

http://www.nintendo.co.jp/mario30th/sp/maker/index.html
Shows that potentially Yoshi, Monty Mole, and 1-Up Mushrooms may be in the game.[[Special:Contributions/199.126.230.181|199.126.230.181]]

:Are you getting that from the montage in the About section? [[User:MarioComix|MarioComix]] ([[User talk:MarioComix|talk]]) 20:48, 11 April 2015 (EDT)

:: No, its from the first page in the link, where it says "Make and Play". You can also see a Monty Mole. [[Special:Contributions/199.126.230.181|199.126.230.181]]

::: Super Mario 30th Anniversary Game Center CX SP at NicoNico Chokaigi 2015 - https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&t=25m43s&v=nmg5DPAW8DE
::: Gamexplain - [http://%20https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wD_EIwjdPE0 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wD_EIwjdPE0]
::: - Confirms Fire Piranha Plants
::: - Might de-confirm Night Backgrounds, as previous screens now seem to be Underground.[[Special:Contributions/199.126.230.181|199.126.230.181]]

::::: In the 2015 Nintendo World Championship Super Mario Maker trailer, Blurp enemies are confirmed. [[Special:Contributions/199.126.230.181|199.126.230.181]]

== About the Cape Feather and the Raccoon Leaf ==

I think that because Boos, Thwomps, Bob-Ombs and other enemies that did not appear on one game or more, the Cape and Raccoon power-ups are going to be in the other game modes too. {{unsigned|Mushroom Koop}}
:We need to wait that we see them in others versions, because otherwise, it go only on speculations.--{{User:LudwigVon/sig}} 08:10, 12 April 2015 (EDT)

== Adding brackets in one sentence ==

Hi!

I think this sentence:<br>
''with new assets that make them suitable for the respective games''<br>
should be between brackets (parentheses) instead of commas.

Thanks, good luck<br>
[[User:Wizdeck|Wizdeck]] ([[User talk:Wizdeck|talk]]) 19:44, 11 May 2015 (EDT)

== Released date ==
Hi, the games comes it out in September 2015, but when exactly ? ----[[User:Captain Yoshi|Captain]] [[User talk:Captain Yoshi|Yoshi]] [[File:YoshiYellow-MK8.png | 25px]] 15:22, 12 May 2015 (EDT)
:The month of release for a game tends to come out before the exact date. I think we just have to wait before Nintendo gives the exact day of release. {{User:BabyLuigi64/sig}}
:I predict September 10 (for Japan) and September 11 (for North America and Europe). Then, it may be just in time for Super Mario Bros.'s 30th Anniversary on September 13.--[[User:Tryloubliss|Tryloubliss]] ([[User talk:Tryloubliss|talk]]) 11:00, 22 May 2015 (EDT)
::The realease date is September, 11 2015 --'''''[[User:Captain Yoshi|Captain Yoshi]]''''' [[File:YoshiYellow-MK8.png|link=User talk:Captain Yoshi|25px]] 08:44, 21 June 2015 (EDT)

== Unconfirmed Objects? ==

Are Snake Blocks, Fire Bros. and Tower and Sky backgrounds really in Mario Maker? There's no citation for them, so I cannot prove this is real.--[[User:Tryloubliss|Tryloubliss]] ([[User talk:Tryloubliss|talk]]) 10:56, 22 May 2015 (EDT)
:I have removed them. --[[User:Hiccup|Hiccup]] ([[User talk:Hiccup|talk]]) 13:04, 1 June 2015 (EDT)

== All of those Sub-ememies ==

<strike>Well, unless I missed someone out on the talk page, I'm going to 'bagsy' the creation of all of the sub enemy red links in this game. So no edit sniping, OK? {{User:Pyro Guy/sig}} 12:48, 5 June 2015 (EDT) </strike>
Well, never mind that. I'll reserve creation for when it's released. {{User:Pyro Guy/sig}} 13:54, 13 June 2015 (EDT)

== Heads up! ==
On the NWC 2015 stream, I've learned that this game is actually going to be called "'''Super''' Mario Maker." See it for yourself, validate it, and make the necessary changes. [[Special:Contributions/99.8.82.145|99.8.82.145]] 20:37, 14 June 2015 (EDT)
:@Editor- I loved how the one guy even said, "You guys will need to change the wiki."{{User|Thenintendostooge}}
::What time did someone say that? --[[User:Hiccup|Hiccup]] ([[User talk:Hiccup|talk]]) 10:14, 17 June 2015 (EDT)

== Assets ==

I don't really feel like uploading and adding them to the wiki. But I've collecting together all the assets from the E3 2015 nintendo press site, for Super Mario Maker and the 30th anniversary amiibo. They all come in PNG, BMP and JPG. The JPG should be kept as JPG, because all converting it to PNG will do is make it bigger, with difference in quality. [https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_yBl-184usmZm9mYWgtQTFkWXc/view?usp=sharing Google drive link]. --[[User:Hiccup|Hiccup]] ([[User talk:Hiccup|talk]]) 10:18, 17 June 2015 (EDT)
:Yeah, if you don't mind, I'll be doing the uploading for that. Thanks! {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 22:50, 18 June 2015 (EDT)
::You don't seem to have uploaded all of them. Do you want me to? --[[User:Hiccup|Hiccup]] ([[User talk:Hiccup|talk]]) 13:57, 20 June 2015 (EDT)
:::You can do the rest, as the artwork was the first thing that caught my eye here. Thanks! {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 15:05, 20 June 2015 (EDT)

== European box art ==
http://nintendoeverything.com/wp-content/uploads/mario-maker-boxart.png--[[Special:Contributions/77.228.198.87|77.228.198.87]] 16:27, 17 June 2015 (EDT)

== Idea Book ==

Should we include information about the game being bundled with a special idea booklet? -Mario240
:It wouldn't hurt to cover it. It depends if it needs its own article, but you can add a section about it if you want. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 15:35, 19 June 2015 (EDT)
== Interwebs? ==

Will this game have Nintendo Network integration? It would be a pretty astounding feature.--[[User:Thejfh1999|Thejfh1999]] ([[User talk:Thejfh1999|talk]]) 15:17, 19 June 2015 (EDT)
:It probably will since this game supports sharing levels. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 15:35, 19 June 2015 (EDT)
::"Nintendo Network integration" doesn't seem actually mean much. The game does have online features, if that is what you mean. --[[User:Hiccup|Hiccup]] ([[User talk:Hiccup|talk]]) 14:03, 20 June 2015 (EDT)

== Promotions ==

Do we cover promotions for games? My local Best Buy (and probably others) is running one for Super Mario Maker, letting us play the game, giving special deals by returning certain Nintendo games, and handing out pins and posters if you preordered the game. {{User:Time Turner/sig}}
:I'd say yes, if they don't happen very often. Also, you should record clear footage of the demo for pre-release comparisons with the final game. --[[User:Hiccup|Hiccup]] ([[User talk:Hiccup|talk]]) 04:46, 21 June 2015 (EDT)

== australian release ==

Seen in TMK, there's Australian release date (12 September of 2015)--[[Special:Contributions/46.130.25.20|46.130.25.20]] 16:39, 22 June 2015 (EDT)

== Super Mario World difference from base game ==

Noticed this in the E3 videos but it is not noted in the main page. (I don't seem to have edit permissions.)

In Super Mario World, hitting a "P Switch" will turn brown blocks into coins and coins into brown blocks. Brown blocks are "expended blocks" that typically appear after you hit a question block or rotating block with an item inside, though they can also appear in the level without having previously held an item.

In Super Mario Marker, it looks like hitting a "P Switch" will turn rotating blocks into coins and coins into rotating blocks. This is likely in order to be in line with the other three games, where the "regular" block and not the "expended" block was the target of the "P Switch" behavior.

[[User:Aaron44126|Aaron44126]] ([[User talk:Aaron44126|talk]]) 13:20, 23 June 2015 (EDT)
:I've added it to the relevant section. Thanks. Please post if you notice any other differences. I personally wonder if [[Spiny|Spinies]] turn into coins, like they do in SMW. --[[User:Hiccup|Hiccup]] ([[User talk:Hiccup|talk]]) 13:51, 23 June 2015 (EDT)

::Super Mario World had "blue" P switches that did the coin/block swap and "grey/silver" P switches that turned some enemies like spinies into coins. Sort of doubting we'll see the latter behavior in Mario Maker but anything is still possible. Anyway, there is video from the Nintendo World Finals of the P switch being used as a "timer" with spinies above, ready to crash down on the player when the blocks they are standing on revert into coins. So in this case at least, spinies stay spinies while the P switch is active. [[User:Aaron44126|Aaron44126]] ([[User talk:Aaron44126|talk]]) 12:41, 24 June 2015 (EDT)

== Austalian release ==

Super Mario Maker will be released in Australia, New Zealand and Oceania in September 12 2015.

Source: TMK

Reference: http://themushroomkingdom.net/games/supermariomaker

--[[Special:Contributions/46.130.10.188|46.130.10.188]] 02:17, 26 June 2015 (EDT)

== More objects ==

In the Super Mario Maker videos and trailers, there's some new objects not in this article such as [[Jelectro]]s, will be added in this article. {{unsigned|46.130.23.49}}
:Spike blocks take on the appearance of Jelectros when underwater in SMB3 style, I think. It should not be listed as a separate object. --[[User:Hiccup|Hiccup]] ([[User talk:Hiccup|talk]]) 06:15, 29 June 2015 (EDT)

== More shake to turn ==

Shake [[Rocky Wrench]] to turn [[Monty Mole]]<br />
Shake [[Hammer Brother]] to turn [[Sledge Brother]]<br />
Shake [[Dry Bones]] to turn [[Fishbone]]<br />
Shake [[Boo]] into [[Circling Boo Buddies|Boo Clock]] and shake again [[Circling Boo Buddies|Boo Clock]] into [[Stretch (Super Mario Bros. 3)|Stretch]]
--[[Special:Contributions/46.130.28.189|46.130.28.189]] 05:46, 6 July 2015 (EDT)
:Are these guesses? Where did you get the info from? --[[User:Hiccup|Hiccup]] ([[User talk:Hiccup|talk]]) 08:29, 6 July 2015 (EDT)
::Neogaf--[[Special:Contributions/46.130.59.211|46.130.59.211]] 13:02, 8 July 2015 (EDT)
:::Can you give a link? --[[User:Hiccup|Hiccup]] ([[User talk:Hiccup|talk]]) 13:22, 8 July 2015 (EDT)

== Shaking Cheep Cheeps into Deep Cheeps! ==

I saw Nintendo Treehouse Live @ E3 2015 Day 1 Super Mario Maker Part 1 on YouTube and noticed in New Super Mario Bros. U style when you shake the Cheep Cheeps they turn to green ones but have an angry expression like Deep Cheeps but don't chase Mario do you think that these will be Deep Cheeps before the game is released? {{User|TheHelper1000}}

Also can someone show me a Jelectro from Super Mario Maker? {{User|TheHelper1000}}

== Luigi Mushroom? ==

In [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdzbuRpP9O4 this] video they said that all the styles we saw here are the only ones. Where is the Luigi Mushroom? [[File:Crazy8MK8.png|25px]] [[User:The Super Mario Super User|King Koopa]] ([[User talk:The Super Mario Super User|talk]]) [[File:MK8 Bowser Icon.png|25px]] 19:21, 10 July 2015 (EDT)

== All Enemies Will Return ==

Due to the amount of enemies confirmed its safe to assume that all enemies from all themes such as yellow Koopas or chargin' chucks will return. [[Special:Contributions/178.167.254.156|178.167.254.156]] 09:54, 14 July 2015 (EDT)
:No, it really isn't. --{{User:SuperYoshiBros/sig}} 09:58, 14 July 2015 (EDT)
:That is speculation. And your title is misleading. --[[User:Hiccup|Hiccup]] ([[User talk:Hiccup|talk]]) 12:07, 14 July 2015 (EDT)

== Proposal: Articles for Para-Enemies ==
{{SettledTPP}}
<span style="color:red;font-family:Comic Sans MS;font-size:150%">FAILED 1-11</span>

I know that the last one failed. But now we have seen that ''"an enemy but with wings"'' actually behaves differently to its normal counterpart (e.g. the Para-Clown Copter has a more jerky and random path, as opposed to drifting towards Mario, or a Para-Thwomp flies horizontally across the level until it is above Mario, instead of staying in one place). The ''"enemy but on top of another enemy"'' and the ''"enemy but bigger"'' variations have little impact on the actual enemy, which is why we didn't create articles for each and every variation. So I'm suggesting that we make a Para-''X'' article for all enemies, mainly because they actually have major differences. 

'''Proposer''': {{User|Pyro Guy}} (banned)<br>
'''Deadline''': August 6, 2015, 23:59 GMT 

====Articles for Para-enemies====
<s>#{{User|Pyro Guy}} Per proposal.</s>
#{{User|Sonic98}} Per Pyro Guy.

====Keep it as is==== 
#{{User|LudwigVon}} I think it would be pointless because, in this game they are a lots of enemies that never appear with wing. Super Mario Maker is a different genre of game from the Super Mario series, it's a construction game to built level of Super Mario Bros. and Nintendo create a lots of possibilities. Per Baby Luigi's comment, it will be more convenient.
#{{User|Pseudo-dino}} Per Baby Luigi's comment. The wings are still just a modifier for standard enemies.
#{{User|Bazooka Mario}} How many times must this be stated: the best course of action is to wait until the game is released. That way, we can better determine if these elements receive their own articles on clearer evidence rather than pre-release footage. I may be open for more articles, but now is too soon.
#{{User|TheHelper1000}} I did plan on supporting this but I've decided that it's gonna be better if we wait until it comes out but some obvious enemies that act different with wings like Paraspinies do behave differently, but until then were waiting for it to be released.
#{{User|Ghost Jam}} Per all, wait until the game is officially released before we start making articles for things that may or may not stick to the final version.
#{{User|Walkazo}} - Yeah, we should wait until the game's released to make the call about whether we should make individual para-pages, one umbrella page for the form as a whole instead, or neither.
#{{User|SuperYoshiBros}} Per Bazooka Mario.
#{{User|RandomYoshi}} &ndash; Per all.
#{{User|PowerKamek}} Per all.
#{{User |Marioguy}} Per Bazooka Mario.
#{{User|Andymii}} Per BL and Bazooka Mario.

====Comments====
I think the better idea is to say that giving X wings in Mario Maker makes it behave X way in their respective article {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 04:11, 23 July 2015 (EDT)


We should definitely document the different behaviours, but I am not sure how it should be done. --[[User:Hiccup|Hiccup]] ([[User talk:Hiccup|talk]]) 06:51, 23 July 2015 (EDT)

As said Pyro Guy , enemies with wings behave differently . It also seems to me a very significant change . Let us remember then that Parabuzzy also appear in the series of ''Paper Mario''.--[[User:Sonic98|Sonic98]] ([[User talk:Sonic98|talk]]) 13:55, 23 July 2015 (EDT)
:[[Parabuzzy]] and [[Para-Beetle]]s are two different things. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 14:39, 24 July 2015 (EDT)

Do this proposal continues even if the proposer is block? Do it have to be deleted?--{{User:LudwigVon/sig}}  20:01, 25 July 2015 (EDT)
:Interpreting proposals rules, the proper procedure is to add "blocked" next to Pryo's name, allow the proposal to run it's course and then if it passes, it's up to the supporters to enact any changes. -- [[User:Ghost Jam|Ghost Jam]][[Image:Shyghost.PNG]] 20:31, 25 July 2015 (EDT)
::Or the proposer when they get back, depending on the timeframe. It was written a while ago, but iirc, it's to avoid cases where good ideas die, or need to be tediously re-proposed and re-voted on (and it's better if bad proposals die properly too). - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 21:05, 25 July 2015 (EDT)
:::Now I understand, thanks!--{{User:LudwigVon/sig}}  23:03, 25 July 2015 (EDT)

== Stretch ==

There are two stretches in the wiki. Which one appears in Super Mario Maker?
<br/>--[[User:New Super Mario Maker|New Super Mario Maker]] ([[User talk:New Super Mario Maker|talk]]) 07:48, 27 July 2015 (EDT)
:It's [[Stretch (Super Mario Bros. 3)|Stretch]], not the one from Yoshi's Island, there's no Shy Guy that are confirmed yet in the game.--{{User:LudwigVon/sig}}  10:44, 28 July 2015 (EDT)
<br/> Thanks! --[[User:New Super Mario Maker|New Super Mario Maker]] ([[User talk:New Super Mario Maker|talk]]) 03:26, 1 August 2015 (EDT)

== Checkpoint Flag ==

I may have seen checkpoint flag. → http://www.nintendo.co.jp/wiiu/amaj/create/index.html [[User:Marioguy|Marioguy]] ([[User talk:Marioguy|talk]]) 09:50, 29 July 2015 (EDT)
:Where do you see that? I never find it. The only thing I saw on this website that was "new" and never confirmed yet (I think) was the Blue Spike Top.--{{User:LudwigVon/sig}}  10:54, 29 July 2015 (EDT)
I saw something, I will check my link is ok. [[User:Marioguy|Marioguy]] ([[User talk:Marioguy|talk]]) 17:51, 29 July 2015 (EDT)
Sorry, my bad. [[User:Marioguy|Marioguy]] ([[User talk:Marioguy|talk]]) 17:52, 29 July 2015 (EDT)

== Do Yoshi can walk on Muncher? ==

Do Yoshi can walk on Muncher in all styles, because while he can walk on Muncher on Super Mario World, Yoshi can't in New Super Mario Bros. U?
:Does Yoshi even appear in any levels with Munchers in NSMBU or NSLU? --[[User:Hiccup|Hiccup]] ([[User talk:Hiccup|talk]]) 12:48, 29 July 2015 (EDT)
I make a supposition, because in New Super Mario Bros. Wii, Yoshi can't walk on Muncher (this want to say that in recent games he can't) and by the way it's for that I make this question, because I saw Yoshi walk on spike and I don't think he can do this in NSMBU or NSLU, so, I want to know if he can walk on Muncher and spike in all styles.--{{User:LudwigVon/sig}}  19:25, 29 July 2015 (EDT)
::Go and play the Best Buy demo then. Yoshi doesn't even appear in any levels with spikes in any of the NSMB games. --[[User:Hiccup|Hiccup]] ([[User talk:Hiccup|talk]]) 04:19, 30 July 2015 (EDT)
:::Sorry, we don't have Best Buy close to where I live and by the way, Muncher only appear in World 9-7 in NSMBWii, a level that Yoshi don't appear, so, why Muncher's article imply that Yoshi can't walk on Muncher?.--{{User:LudwigVon/sig}}  12:05, 30 July 2015 (EDT)

== Self-Scrolling Levels ==

Proof. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Afn-G2UxfQY [[User:Marioguy|Marioguy]] ([[User talk:Marioguy|talk]]) 22:03, 30 July 2015 (EDT)

== The SFX frog ==

In a new trailer, the narrator explains that you can add different sound effects using a frog. Also, you unlock objects daily. 

(can't do this myself, as I'm editing from my 3DS right now.) {{User:Pyro Guy/sig}} 03:03, 13 August 2015 (EDT)

== Unlockables ==

Added