Editing Talk:Super Mario Bros. Encyclopedia

==Release==
Did this book ever even release in the west (or just not in Europe)? all of its pre-orders were cancelled, and it is not available anywhere. all I can find is the release dates that online shopping sites use, being either ‘TBA’ or Sept 14 like the article states for the German version. I'm really wondering if it even released, because I also haven't seen anyone who managed to get one {{User:Qyzxf/sig}}
:Sadly, [http://nintendoeverything.com/amazon-uk-cancelling-super-mario-bros-encyclopedia-pre-orders/ since May have the preorders for the Encycloedia been canceled], but Dark Horse never issued a press release on the matter, from what we know. Actually, the Encyclopedia cannot even be found at all on their site. The German translation is being handled by another company, TOKYOPOP, who instead created [http://tokyopop.de/programm-april-bis-juli-2017/super-mario-bros-enzyklopadie-die-ersten-30-jahre/ a page for the book], [http://tokyopop.de/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/mario-enzyklopaedie-cover-224x300.jpg a preliminary translated cover] and even recently revealed the updated release date, [http://tokyopop.de/vorschau/veroffentlichungen-am-14-september-2017/ which is September 14]. If everything goes well, at least that version will be released, but there's little hope for the English translation right now.--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 11:14, 28 June 2017 (EDT)
::Soo, yes. shouldn't this be noted on the article too somewhere? {{User:Qyzxf/sig}}
:::At the moment, nothing was officially stated by Dark Horse, we only have the news about the preorders being canceled. This is why I added the ''supposedly'' term. I might rework that part later, though.--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 15:47, 29 June 2017 (EDT)

== Customer support query ==

I contacted the Nintendo UK customer support email about the UK and US release dates for Encyclopedia Super Mario Bros. and this was their response; "We regret to inform you that Nintendo has no official announcement about your query regarding the Super Mario Bros encyclopedia, at this time." --[[User:Hiccup|Hiccup]] ([[User talk:Hiccup|talk]]) 06:11, 21 July 2017 (EDT)
:Indeed, Nintendo UK is not publishing the English translation of the book, Dark Horse Comics was supposed to, the only role of Nintendo I can think of is ensuring that the translation is conforming to their guidelines. They might have a veto power and they might propose when it's best to publish it, but ultimately it's the publisher that publish it and then Nintendo can acknowledge and even promote the book if it is published. In that sense, it will be interesting to see how Nintendo Deutschland will move with respect to the German translation.--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 10:08, 21 July 2017 (EDT)
::I have contacted Dark Horse Comics and they have said they do plan to release but they don't have a date. --[[User:Hiccup|Hiccup]] ([[User talk:Hiccup|talk]]) 13:41, 21 July 2017 (EDT)
:::Good to know, thanks for contacting them. Let's hope that they'll manage to release it.--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 15:10, 21 July 2017 (EDT)

==Conflicting enemy names==
So, the book came out today in English, and I managed to get a copy, but some of the names for enemies conflict with older sources. For example, [[Sentry Beam]] is labeled as "Laser Pod" (its Japanese name), while [[Jump Beamer]] is erroneously referred to as "Sentry Beam", like it used to be here on the wiki ("Sentry Beam" has only been used to refer to the flying robots, not ever to the spring-like enemies, it being named such on here was an error). What should we do about this? I feel like the book shouldn't be used as the end-all-be-all for names, save for those without a proper English name given elsewhere, since it seems Dark Horse made a few mistakes, like with the Zelda enemies Daira and Zazak in the Zelda book they previously released. [[User:BubbleRevolution|BubbleRevolution]] ([[User talk:BubbleRevolution|talk]]) 17:53, 23 October 2018 (EDT)
:[[MarioWiki:Proposals#Citing_the_Super_Mario_Encyclopedia|And that's exactly why I made a proposal about it]]. I didn't even notice those examples, but there are plenty more. {{User:Time Turner/sig}} 17:54, 23 October 2018 (EDT)

== Names ==

Does it also applies on the [[Skull Box]]? Is it also called Skull Box? --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 10:38, 25 October 2018 (EDT)

==Title==
Since the English version of ''Super Mario Bros. Encyclopedia'' has effectively been [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive 52#Citing the Super Mario Encyclopedia|disowned]], shouldn't the article be moved back to ''Encyclopedia Super Mario Bros.''? [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 08:57, 31 October 2018 (EDT)
:Absolutely not. Disowning the English version doesn't mean that there are versions in other languages that we can cite, such as Spanish and French, which also call this ''Super Mario Bros. Encyclopedia''. {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 09:28, 31 October 2018 (EDT)
::For reference, the Japanese and Spanish versions are ''Encyclopedia Super Mario Bros.'' and the German and French versions are ''Super Mario (Bros.) Encyclopedia'', and currently the Japanese version is the one that's most cited on the wiki. If we're not using it for English-language citations, then it doesn't make much sense to keep the latter name in my opinion. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 09:42, 31 October 2018 (EDT)
:::That still doesn't sound like a reason ''by itself'' to move this page back to its original name. If we have an official English name, then from what I can infer by [[MarioWiki:Naming#English and non-English sources|the policy]], that's that, period. {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 09:43, 31 October 2018 (EDT)
::::The way I see it, changing the title back would essentially be per the proposal. Also, I'm not suggesting we move the article to ''Super Mario Bros. Hyakka: Nintendo Kōshiki Guide Book'' - the Japanese cover already has an English title on it, which is why we didn't use the language template before the move. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 09:55, 31 October 2018 (EDT)
:::::The proposal was about using the book in citations, not completely expunging it from existence. We'd be doing a disservice to change that. {{User:Time Turner/sig}} 10:42, 31 October 2018 (EDT)
::::::By that, I mean the proposal was primarily over article names. We wouldn't be expunging it since it wouldn't affect the section that specifically draws attention to the English localization. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 11:00, 31 October 2018 (EDT)
:::::::The way I see it, article names are a byproduct of citations, but are technically distinct from them. At the very least, this is the one place where English readers looking for information on this book would benefit from keeping things as they are (yes, redirects, but considering the name doesn't appear until it's fully typed out in the search bar, it's not that satisfying to me). {{unsigned|Time Turner}}
::::::::I agree with Time Turner on that accord. {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 11:23, 31 October 2018 (EDT)
:::::::::In any case, according to both the Spanish and {{media link|ESMB German page 256.png|German translations}}, the official international name of the book is ''[Nintendo Official Guide Book] Super Mario Bros. Encyclopedia 30th Anniversary 1985-2015'', so the current title is in accordance to said international name (although it is shortened). At best, we might consider using the full international name and then using the shortened version as a redirect, I'm not sure if that would be overkill, though.--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 12:11, 31 October 2018 (EDT)
::::::::::It seems silly and outside the scope of the proposal to not use the English name for the book. It's still a book that exists, we're just not using any of the information in it. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 12:26, 31 October 2018 (EDT)
:::::::::::Actually, I agree with Time Turner's second comment. Leaving this title as-is would appear logical. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 07:59, 1 November 2018 (EDT)

== English version ==

If there is a revised version, if it names the following enemies by their internal filenames: [[Pattan]], [[Hatopop]], [[Jump Beamer]], [[Ring Beamer]], [[Ball Beamer]] [[Petari]], [[Ocean Small Turtle]] and [[Skeletal Fish Guard]] would it still make them copied from the wiki? Because the "english" internal filenames are actually given by the Japanese Nintendo companies. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 10:18, 2 December 2018 (EST)
:In that case, there's no need to cite the Encyclopedia in the first place, as those names are derived from internal filenames. In any case, Hatopops are not covered by the ''Super Mario Bros. Encyclopedia''.--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 10:43, 2 December 2018 (EST)
::I was actually asking if that would still make it ''plagiarize'' the wiki, as those "english" names are actually given by Nintendo, and not Nintendo of America. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 11:25, 4 December 2018 (EST)
:::Using those names isn't plagiarism, it was the use of fan-made names or names in other languages originating from wikis that strongly indicated plagiarism happening.--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 20:56, 4 December 2018 (EST)

== List of ''Super Mario Bros. Encyclopedia'' mistakes and names from the Super Mario Wiki ==

A short while ago, I was asked to add my findings from the [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive 52#Citing the Super Mario Encyclopedia|proposal]] to this article. I am maintaining a personal list [[User:LinkTheLefty/List of Super Mario Bros. Encyclopedia mistakes and names from the Super Mario Wiki|here]]. The goal may be to simply have an expanded list out there, or a version of it might be incorporated as a section of this article. If there is interest in the latter, feel free to add any suggestions on what form it should take in the article. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 18:00, 1 March 2019 (EST)

== Error Section ==

I recently received a copy of this book, and since there is an error section on this page currently under construction, I thought I might bring up an error I noticed in the SMG2 section, where the titles about Rosalina and the Message Board got jumbled up.
[https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/548623495924547585/564506104604655617/image0.jpg]
I don't know if this is what we're looking for or not, but... might as well bring it forwards.

Another ''error'' I found, albeit one that more conceptual, is that Rosalina, who should logically be hundreds, if not thousands, of years old, was labelled as young, which seems rather bizarre to me, but... I can see that this one probably doesn't count.
[https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/548623495924547585/564506875329249290/image0.jpg]

Anyway, hopefully this helps! [[User:LuckyEmile|LuckyEmile]] ([[User talk:LuckyEmile|talk]]) 18:03, April 7, 2019 (EDT)

:I got a copy of this book and in the SML section it labeled [[Biokinton]] as "Brokinton"

:Just wanted to say that. [[User:That-1-Green-Pokey|That-1-Green-Pokey]] ([[User talk:That-1-Green-Pokey|talk]]) 6:28 PM  December 31, 2020
::That was his name in the Nintendo Game Boy Player's Guide. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 18:53, December 31, 2020 (EST)

== Errors ==

Additionally, the English version isn't the only that messes up. It uses English names for enemies that possibly had a French name back then, still call [[Karamenbō]] as such, rather that giving them a proper name, and misscall Spoing (or possibly Sprangler), since i saw it in a video Arayée, which is the French name of the [[Scuttlebug]]. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 02:10, August 19, 2019 (EDT)

== Page 128 ==

Wasn't Ring Beamer actually referred to as "Ring Beam"? IIRC, it had a separate name from the Sentry Garage, in scans i checked on long ago. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 14:24, January 12, 2021 (EST)

== On the Wiggler and the singular "they" ==

In one of the boxes in [[Super_Mario_Bros._Encyclopedia#List_of_English_translation_errors_and_typos_not_from_the_Super_Mario_Wiki| this section]] of the article, it is implied that the use of the pronouns "they" and "them" for the Wiggler refers to the plural tense. However, the singular "they" is in common usage, and is acceptable in this context.<ref>https://public.oed.com/blog/a-brief-history-of-singular-they/#</ref> Could this prove that this may ''not'' be an mistake, but rather a stylistic choice by the author of the passage? --[[User:Captain.snufkin|Captain.snufkin]] ([[User talk:Captain.snufkin|talk]]) 01:41, May 27, 2021 (EDT)
:I think in context of other enemies, it looks to be plural so I think it can also be interpreted as multiple enemies. {{User:Ray Trace/sig}} 02:13, May 27, 2021 (EDT)