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Shouldn't we merge this article with ''[[Super Mario 64]]''? It's simply a remake w/ some newly created challenges, more characters and a slightly different storyline. The powers and levels are still the same, with improved graphics. [[User:Wayoshi|Wayoshi]] 20:57, 3 July 2006 (EDT)
Shouldn't we merge this article with ''[[Super Mario 64]]''? It's simply a remake w/ some newly created challenges, more characters and a slightly different storyline. The powers and levels are still the same, with improved graphics. [[User:Wayoshi|Wayoshi]] 20:57, 3 July 2006 (EDT)


:I'm not sure. There are enough chages to Super Mario 64 DS its own article. More playable characters, more levels, more stars, different power-ups, including the Power Flower. It's much more than a simple remake. However, the two pages should be linked together. --[[User:Son of Suns|Son of Suns]] 02:03, 5 July 2006 (EDT)
:I'm not sure. There are enough chages to Super Mario 64 DS its own article. More playable characters, more levels, more stars, different power-ups, including the Power Flower. It's much more than a simple remake. However, the two pages should be linked together. --[[User:Son of Suns|Son of Suns]] 02:03, 5 July 2006 (EDT)
== Canon? ==
Is this really a canon game, or a Spinoff? I mean even Bowser's not stupid enough to try the same thing two times! (oh wait, he did in NSMB, sorry) {{unsigned|Maxlover2}}
Also, the Japaense Super Mario Bros. 2 (Lost Levels for us) was nearly identical to his plan in the first. So yes, it's feasible that he'd repeat his original plan. [[User:ChrisAlassal|ChrisAlassal]] 03:02, 4 March 2007 (EST)
Man, Bowser needs better ideas. I mean, if it failed once, it will again. {{User:Plumber/sig|Get some ideas, man!}}
Bowsers plan is the same every game,TO CRUSH MARIO!!!!!! Even in multiplayer,its always MARIO! --[[User:Rosalina1234|Rosalina1234]] 12:32, 23 July 2011 (EDT)Rosalina 1234


==Remake==
==Remake==
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Since this is a remake, how come I keep seeing it referred to in this Wiki as either non-canonical or a separate incident from Super Mario 64? I must admit, I am confused... {{User:Dinosaur bob/sig}} 13:54, 1 July 2007 (EDT)
Since this is a remake, how come I keep seeing it referred to in this Wiki as either non-canonical or a separate incident from Super Mario 64? I must admit, I am confused... {{User:Dinosaur bob/sig}} 13:54, 1 July 2007 (EDT)
It can't be a remake. Super Mario 64 DS has 4 playable characters.
The original version had only Mario. This version: Wario, Luigi, Mario AND Yoshi. NOT A REMAKE.
[[User:Snowspike55|Snowspike55]]
That's what remakes do. They add new things to the game. IT IS A REMAKE.
[[User:Kingfawful4321|Kingfawful4321]] ([[User talk:Kingfawful4321|talk]]) 14:11, 22 February 2013 (EST)
This is a remake. With that said, I do believe this is a remake that has changed substantially from the original. However, it hasn't changed enough to be the same game. It still, basically, has the same worlds, same environment, and same enemies. Just because they added playable characters and they changed the plot ''ever so slightly'' to accommodate the new characters, doesn't mean it's an entirely new game. I rest my case. [[User:YoshiAwsumness|YoshiAwsumness]] ([[User talk:YoshiAwsumness|talk]]) 21:12, 2 December 2013 (EST)
I know I'm kinda late for this but I also think that this isn't a remake, even if it has the same gameplay, levels, whatever... Because Koopa the Quick mentions that Mario is fatter since he last saw him. In the original he talks to Mario as if he has met him for the first time. If this was a remake it would never talk about the original, StarFox 64 3D(I know this kinda off-topic) on other hand is a true remake because the characters never mention the original game. So I think this game is a direct sequel.
--[[User:CastleResearch|CastleResearch]] ([[User talk:CastleResearch|talk]]) 15:55, 30 May 2015 (EDT)


== Isn't this an FA ==
== Isn't this an FA ==
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:No one here who has both games and can compare the instructions? {{User:Time Q/sig}} 07:32, 22 January 2008 (EST)
:No one here who has both games and can compare the instructions? {{User:Time Q/sig}} 07:32, 22 January 2008 (EST)


== Is this Fake? ==
== Wario isn't Luigi!!! ==


I found this picture, and I think it is fake. Image:FakeWaluigi.jpg{{unsigned|Lewa159}}
In the secret level where it says you need Wario in Luigi and Mario caps...
There is no Luigi cap on the map!!! Where is it??? - Shadow Yoshi


YES, it is fake. It's been specificly stated to be fake. And, people have torn the game apart, ripped up the ROM, and found nothing of Waluigi. And, sign comments plorx.[[User:GreenKoopa|GreenKoopa]] - [[User talk:GreenKoopa|Comments or questions?]]
== Waluigi PROVEN Not To Be In The Game? ==


== Problem ==
How? {{unsigned|Mr L}}
::Well if you play the game, you'd know that. He isn't even in the game's coding [[User:Goomb-omb|Goomb-omb]] 14:06, 19 June 2008 (EDT)


Some code at the end of the page seems to not end, and seems to keep the templates towards the middle and some other things. If I'm correct, it seems to be coming from the differences section towards the bottom of the page. May somebody fix this, as I don't know how, please? --[[User:Palkia47|Palkia47]] 21:11, 28 July 2008 (EDT)
There are many theories proving that waluigi is in the game,but none are true. Ive tried most,and they all failed. Plus,there are no videos proving any of the theories work, or any videos of Waluigi in the game. --[[User:Rosalina1234|Rosalina1234]] 12:30, 23 July 2011 (EDT)Rosalina 1234


==Mystery plumber?==
waluigi by any chance?I thought he wasn't in the game. {{User:bob-omb buddy/sig}}


==Rec Room==
Hes not. --[[User:Rosalina1234|Rosalina1234]] 12:46, 8 October 2011
I added that some of the games are from NSMB I wonder wwhy no one else did that.[[User:ratfink43|ratfink43]]
:'cause the NSMB games are from SM64DS, not the other way round. {{User:Time Q/sig}} 14:29, 30 July 2009 (EDT)


== Multiple Endings ==
== Is this Fake? ==


Within the past two weeks, I decided to attempt to beat Super Mario 64 DS without rescuing Wario and Luigi. In the latter case, Wario also would not be saved. This article is untrue in that a player does not need to save all the characters to battle the final Bowser upon obtaining 80 Power Stars. In addition, not saving characters creates two alternate endings to the game. The first shows Mario, Luigi and Yoshi with Peach and all appearing as figures on the cake. The second shows just Mario and Yoshi meeting Princess Peach and only the three of them appear upon the "Thank You" cake.  
I found this picture, and I think it is fake.[[:Image:FakeWaluigi.jpg]]{{unsigned|Lewa159}}


1. http://i442.photobucket.com/albums/qq145/Titan_bucket/Joeyscard220.jpg http://i442.photobucket.com/albums/qq145/Titan_bucket/Joeyscard221.jpg
YES, it is fake. It's been specificly stated ti be fake. And, people have torn the game apart, ripped up the ROM, and found nothing of Waluigi. And, sign comments plorx.[[User:GreenKoopa|GreenKoopa]] - [[User talk:GreenKoopa|Comments or questions?]]


2. http://i442.photobucket.com/albums/qq145/Titan_bucket/Joeyscard225.jpg http://i442.photobucket.com/albums/qq145/Titan_bucket/Joeyscard226.jpg
== Silent Door ==
[[User:Other Universe|Other Universe]]


You can have all the characters saved and on top of the cake,or just yoshi and mario. Either way,you have to finish the game with yoshi and mario. --[[User:Rosalina1234|Rosalina1234]] 12:26, 23 July 2011 (EDT)Rosalina 1234
What is behind the final door in the character selection room? The one that says "All is quiet on the other side"? {{unsigned|Lewa159}}
 
Find a way to incorporate that into the article.--{{User|Knife}} 04:49, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
 
== Gallery ==


I think this needs a gallery. [[User:Mario Bros.!|Mario Bros.!]]
A star, I think. And sign your comments with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>.[[User:GreenKoopa|GreenKoopa]] - [[User talk:GreenKoopa|Comments or questions?]]


Now I really think this needs a gallery. {{User:Mario & Luigi/sig|Anyone agree?}}
How do you unlock it? [[User:Lewa159|Lewa159]] 10:08, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
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Done
[[User:Donaldthescotishtwin|Donaldthescotishtwin]]


== VS Mode ==
Catch the all the sparkly rabbits. And, use GameFAQS. This wiki is not a game guide.[[User:GreenKoopa|GreenKoopa]] - [[User talk:GreenKoopa|Comments or questions?]]


There is no mentioning of vs mode in this article. I believe that it should be added.
Really? When I go into it, I just hear a boo's laugh and character I was playing as run out like they see a ghost (yes, a pun). [[User:Bowser-omb|Bowser-omb]] 13:45, 3 November 2009 (EST)


[[User:PMovies97|PMovies97]] 10:12, 31 December 2011 (EST)
Do it as Mario and you got a star. Or at least, I did with Mario.
'''Smileymiley5001'''


:I don't know about that. {{User:Marioisawesome118/sig}}
I think you can do it with any character,and if you already got the star,you can walk in again and hear boos laughing. -Rosalina1234


:It really does need to be added since it is an entirely different mode of the game and deserves a place.{{User:bowser45/sig}}
== Problem ==


:::OK,then. {{User:Marioisawesome118/sig}}
Some code at the end of the page seems to not end, and seems to keep the templates towards the middle and some other things. If I'm correct, it seems to be coming from the differences section towards the bottom of the page. May somebody fix this, as I don't know how, please? --[[User:Palkia47|Palkia47]] 21:11, 28 July 2008 (EDT)
==Trivia==


Is anyone aware that when a cap is lost, one can find it in any course in which it is possible to lose a cap? [[User:Bspald95|Bspald95]] ([[User talk:Bspald95|talk]]) 16:25, 23 August 2012 (EDT)
== Sequel ==


== Split Mario and Yoshi's Power Flower Forms from this article. ==
I think SM64DS is a remake AND a sequel (or at least, a aprt of the Super Mario 2D/3D series). Why ? Koopa the Quick says to Mario "Long time no see, Mario !" (or at least, in the French evrsion), which means that he already did a race against Mario. But in Super Mario 64, he didn't knew Mario before and when he heard that the plumber beaten the Big Bob-Omb, Koopa the Quick wanted to do a race againast Mario. That's why I think this article must be a part of the template "Super Mario 2D" or "Super Mario 3D" (it have 2D graphics and 3D gameplay).
{{Settled TPP}}
{{Proposal outcome|passed|7-0-2-0-0|Create articles for both forms}}
Now correct me if I am wrong, but I do not see any articles for Mario's floating power or Yoshi's fire breath. I know there is an article for Bowser's Fire Breath that mentions Yoshi's power-up, but does not even have quarter of the info I would put on a page if it was created. So, to keep consistency I would also create a page for Mario's Power Flower power too. Luigi and Wario's Power Flower powers got merged into their respective articles. So I think both of these power-ups deserve their own page.


'''Proposer:'''{{User|Koopa K}}<br>
[[User:Koopalmier|Koopalmier]] 18:46, 27 October 2008 (EDT)
'''Deadline:'''September 6, 2012 23:59 GMT


====Create Articles for both of these====
#{{User|Koopa K}} Per proposal.
#{{User|Technickal}} Why not?
#{{User|New Super Yoshi}} Per all.
#{{User|JORDAN DEBONO}} Per proposal.
#{{User|ToastUltimatum}} Why would they even be here? If they don't deserve an article, they should go on the character pages. But as it happens, both thoroughly deserve an article.
#{{User|yoshiyoshiyoshi}} Per Proposal.
#{{User|bowser45}} Per proposal.


====Create an article for Mario's Power-up only====
==Rec Room==
====Create an article for Mario's Power-up and merge info from his [[Super Mario World]] power-up====
I added that some of the games are from NSMB I wonder wwhy no one else did that.[[User:ratfink43|ratfink43]]
#{{User|Raven Effect}} I don't think Yoshi's fire breath should get's own page for the same reason I don't think Luigi's flutter jump should get a separate flutter jump page because it's the same thing only done by someone different. I do believe Mario's should because it's a form that has appeared in 2 games (it's actually Balloon Mario from SMW)
:'cause the NSMB games are from SM64DS, not the other way round. {{User:Time Q/sig}} 14:29, 30 July 2009 (EDT)
#{{User|Tails777}} Per Raven Effect.
 
====Create an article for Yoshi's Power-up only====
====Do not create an article for either====
#{{User|Kelton2}} It's such a minor thing....
====Comments====
I'm on the fence when it comes to Yoshi's but i'll support Mario's if all the information about Mario's floating form from Super Mario World is merged into it since they are the same thing just with different power ups. {{User|Raven Effect}}
:I can do that. {{User|Koopa K}}
 
Shouldn't we just expand on Yoshi's section in the [[Fire Breath]] article rather than create a whole new article for it? {{User|Tails777}}
:We could do that, but I already have an idea for what an article would look like <s>I'm making a draft right now.</s> {{User|Koopa K}}
::Well, I gave up on the draft, but my idea is a brief introduction, then a description of the Power-up itself. Also adding a table of levels that Fire Breath is required to use to complete. Also, we could list places where you can be Fire Breath Yoshi. {{User|Koopa K}}
 
I have a very important question is Yoshi's fire breath called Fire Breath? {{User|Raven Effect}}
:I don't know, we could always call him Fire Breathing Yoshi. {{User|Koopa K}}
::That would work I guess. 2nd question what is the difference between Yoshi breathing fire and bowser breathing fire other then the fact that yoshi get's his from a power flower. {{User|Raven Effect}}
:::Yoshi's power is limited and [[Bowser]]'s power is unlimited. Yoshi's fire breath is smaller than Bowser's. Bowser's can split into multiple pieces. I could probably list more when I remember them. {{User|Koopa K}}
::::All of that stuff is trivial and can easily be listed in the fire breath article. Creating one for Yoshi's fire breath would be like creating one for Fire Bros. fire breath because it shoots them out of it's mouth in little ball that are smaller then Bowser's. Or creating separate flutter jump pages because Luigi's is higher then Yoshi's. {{User|Raven Effect}}
::::Actually we [[Scuttle|already have one]]. {{User|Technickal}}
:::::More differences, Yoshi's kills on contact, Bowser's only damages. Bowser's can stay around longer. Bowser's sometimes can charge. {{User|Koopa K}}
==Princess Peach's ponytail ==
I wonder if we should explain about Princess Peach's ponytail in the game why it was changed to long to ponytail. Choose whether you support or oppose this choice. {{User:Marioisawesome118/sig}}
 
It is already mentioned in the article in the differences section and since it's really not that important I don't think we should mention it in any more detail. {{User:bowser45/sig}}
 
::But, what if we should? {{User:Marioisawesome118/sig}}
 
=="Super Mario 64 / Super Mario 64 DS" section==
Anyone else dislike how that section is set up, and would rather have it as a bullet point list, [[Super Mario World#List of Changes|like this]]? It's really pointless to write "[content added in remake] is not in original game./ [content added in remake] is in the remake", which is what it's doing right now. --[[User:Glowsquid|Glowsquid]] ([[User talk:Glowsquid|talk]]) 22:14, 10 November 2012 (EST)
 
:Bullet lists are cool as ice man [[User:Toadbert101|toadbert]]
 
::I agree. It's a bit annoying to have to follow the rows in the table to see the difference. I'll be happy to make them into bullet points if you want, Glowsquid.
 
::{{User:YoshiKong/sig}} 15:38, 15 November 2012 (EST)
I also agree, let's do this ! {{User:Banon/sig}} 11:51, 15 December 2012 (EST)
 
:{{plain link|1=[http://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=Super_Mario_64_DS&curid=1602&diff=1371365&oldid=1371220 Done]}}.
 
:{{User:YoshiKong/sig}} 04:31, 16 December 2012 (EST)
 
==Lethal Lava Land Mistake==
Wario is available to get to Lethal Lava Land. Can someone change that?
 
== How to get each star ==
 
I noticed that two of the "Characters Required" sections were wrong.  It says that the first race with Koopa the Quick requires Mario, when in fact Yoshi can get it with the cap.  For Hazy Maze Cave's first level, Wario is not required, also because his cap appears.  These definitely should be changed, as other stars where a certain character is recommended (like the Chain Chomp star in Bob-omb Battlefield) are correctly listed as being obtainable with every character.  I think someone should go over these and make sure they are correct.  Thanks. [[Special:Contributions/99.107.199.30|99.107.199.30]] 21:20, 26 March 2013 (EDT)
:Well, these are correct because technically, with the cap, you are playing as the required character to get the star. {{User:BabyLuigiOnFire/sig}}
 
== Should 64 references in later games also be in here? ==
 
Header says what it is. This is the remake to that game so wouldn't certain references from 64 also be references to this game, like Tick Tock Clock appearing as a track in Mario Kart DS? {{User|Yoshi876}}
:No, I don't think that counts. That's like saying one of the songs in ''Mario Sports Mix'' is a reference to ''Super Mario World'' and one of those ''Super Mario Advance'' games. An exception is that something exclusive to the remake gets a reference; e.g. [[Chief Chilly]] is a reference to ''Super Mario 64 DS'' because he first appeared in a remake.<br>{{User:LeftyGreenMario/sig}} 23:10, 30 July 2013 (EDT)
 
== Mistake ==
For the 8 Glowing Rabbit Star, the article says <b>80</b> Stars for make a random rabbit glowing, but the [[Rabbit]] page says <b>50</b>. Which is true? [[User talk:Tsunami|<span style="color:#0f0">World</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Tsunami|<span style="color:#c3f">of</span>]] [[User:Tsunami|<span style="color:#0cf">Tsunami!</span>]]
:Had to restart the whole game, 50 is the correct amount.--{{User:Dashbot/sig}} 17:19, 9 June 2014 (EDT)
 
== Another mistake ==
In the differences section the Star 2 of Secret Slide says that Luigi must go to the slide in order to achieve less than 21 second (and I get a 20.42 with him). This is untrue as I get a 20.65 with Mario and about 20.95 with both Wario and Yoshi. {{User:Tsunami/sig}}
:True, you can even get around 17 if you used shortcuts.--{{User:Dashbot/sig}} 14:50, 19 June 2014 (EDT)
::17? HOW? O_O If I try to jump after the first two turns to the right I lose time {{User:Tsunami/sig}}
 
== Speed (Swim)? ==
 
Where's the data confirming that there's a stat for swimming? <font face="Eurostile" size="3">[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#00008B">BNK</span>]]</font><sup> <nowiki>[</nowiki>[[Special:EditCount/Blue Ninjakoopa|E]]|[[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|T]]|[[Special:Contributions/Blue Ninjakoopa|C]]]</sup> 02:14, 20 July 2014 (EDT)


== Glitch? ==
== Glitch? ==
I went to Tall Tall mountain and ate Ukikki right before being hit by fire. I ran into the water and ukikki stayed in my mouth. He came out if I spat him. One time he stole Mario's cap in my mouth.


I don't know about that, but there is a glitch that makes the sun look like a black hole in a cannon--[[User:Svtopdog|Lava Juggle]] ([[User talk:Svtopdog|talk]]) 18:08, September 14, 2020 (EDT)
I've found a glitch(or somthing) with my copy of the game. You see, every time I save my game it saves the number of power stars I have but not the number of lives. Dose this happen on every copy of the game? And if it IS a glitch, how do I fix it? [[User:Bowser-omb|Bowser-omb]] 09:13, 1 November 2009 (EST)


== Can I replace this image? ==
It never has saved the number of lives you have, so don't worry (: You'll start with 5 lives every time. {{User:Fawfulfury65/sig}}
:Yes the lives are not saved. It doesn't matter anyway, as a Game Over is not worse than losing a life. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 09:20, 1 November 2009 (EST)


http://www.mariowiki.com/File:SM64DS_FloatingPower.jpg
::I always start on 4. Thanks anyway.[[User:Bowser-omb|Bowser-omb]] 13:38, 3 November 2009 (EST)


with a render of the balloon mario model (from the game rom's files)?
== Multiple Endings ==


--[[User:Hiccup|Hiccup]] ([[User talk:Hiccup|talk]]) 10:26, 3 August 2014 (EDT)
Within the past two weeks, I decided to attempt to beat Super Mario 64 DS without rescuing Wario and Luigi. In the latter case, Wario also would not be saved. This article is untrue in that a player does not need to save all the characters to battle the final Bowser upon obtaining 80 Power Stars. In addition, not saving characters creates two alternate endings to the game. The first shows Mario, Luigi and Yoshi with Peach and all appearing as figures on the cake. The second shows just Mario and Yoshi meeting Princess Peach and only the three of them appear upon the "Thank You" cake.
:Sure. --[[User:Glowsquid|Glowsquid]] ([[User talk:Glowsquid|talk]]) 12:39, 3 August 2014 (EDT)


== Peach has hidden animations ==
1. http://i442.photobucket.com/albums/qq145/Titan_bucket/Joeyscard220.jpg http://i442.photobucket.com/albums/qq145/Titan_bucket/Joeyscard221.jpg


According to SM64DS level editor, Peach has at least 3 unused animations that includes a idle, run and jump animation very similar to Mario & Co. with the former being looking right and left like Mario, Luigi, etc. Does this mean she was going to be a playable character? I think we should put this in the beta elements.
2. http://i442.photobucket.com/albums/qq145/Titan_bucket/Joeyscard225.jpg http://i442.photobucket.com/albums/qq145/Titan_bucket/Joeyscard226.jpg
[[User:Other Universe|Other Universe]]


--[[User:CastleResearch|CastleResearch]] ([[User talk:CastleResearch|talk]]) 15:35, 30 May 2015 (EDT)
You can have all the characters saved and on top of the cake,or just yoshi and mario. Either way,you have to finish the game with yoshi and mario. --[[User:Rosalina1234|Rosalina1234]] 12:26, 23 July 2011 (EDT)Rosalina 1234


== Purpose of backlight off ==
Find a way to incorporate that into the article.--{{User|Knife}} 04:49, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
Mario 64 DS allows deactivating the screen backlight.  This makes it go entirely dark.


What is the purpose of it?
==Kay...==
{{unsigned|79.241.206.154}}
:Later models of the DS, such as the DSi, are backlit but the original model is not. With the backlight off on the original model, it makes it easier to see the game in the light. Doesn't really do anything when turned on on the original model, though. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 19:01, August 17, 2019 (EDT)


== Pre-Existing Caps ==


So, some stars (example: ''[[Big Bob-omb's Revenge]]'') Spawn Caps that you can use to get said star (Example case: [[Mario's Cap]]) but those stars mark the caps that can be used as "Character Required", so I'm confused. <sub>Sidenote: Using a cap spawned in star 4 of [[Big Boo's Haunt]] you can Unlock Luigi, as Yoshi, as Luigi. Just to complete the Trio, one can be found on Dorie in one of the stars, don't remember which though. Probably [[Metal-Head Mario Can Move!|Metal-Head Wario Can Move]]--[[User:Svtopdog|Lava Juggle]] ([[User talk:Svtopdog|talk]]) 21:47, September 15, 2020 (EDT)</sub>
OK, So Waluigi ISN'T in the game. Then why is there a purple rabbit in the instruction booklet?{{User:KoopaMan/sig}}
:Swimming Beast in the Cavern. Isn't this forum talk, though? [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 21:52, September 15, 2020 (EDT)
Yeah, probably, sorry about that.--[[User:Svtopdog|Lava Juggle]] ([[User talk:Svtopdog|talk]]) 08:39, September 16, 2020 (EDT)


== Confirmation of Reference ==
It still doesn't mean Waluigi is in it. Maybe it was a beta element.{{User:YoshiGo99/sig}}


Is anyone able to confirm that this move (https://www.youtube.com/shorts/eb1lWFBKyf0) is a reference to ''[[Wario World]]'' and not some other form of Wario-related media? I basically know nothing about Wario games. --[[User:Jumbo Ray|Jumbo Ray]]
== Gallery ==


== More specific mission character requirements ==
I think this needs a gallery. [[User:Mario Bros.!|Mario Bros.!]]
{{settled TPP}}
{{Proposal outcome|passed|5-0-0|Change all level tables}}
===Change the level section to include more specific character requirements===
I was thinking about maybe making it more specific to show which missions characters can do? I am mostly fine with the current version but if I am allowed to make some changes that would be nice. Specifically, the changes to the character section. I am showing an example of this here. The collapsed table is just to avoid clutter here, and the tag will not be put into the article. Checkmarks stand for missions each character can complete, caps show that a character can complete the mission if a proper cap is collected in the level, and an x indicates that the character cannot enter the level, or if they can (though I don't know if this is even possible unless the character isn't unlocked yet), they cannot complete the mission (this is only done for BBH and character-exclusive levels). Also note that a cap might only be used to overcome an obstacle; once that obstacle is cleared, the character can dispose the cap and finish it using their original selves. For example saying "Mario" for Koopa's Footrace would indicate that only Mario can complete the level, whereas with my chart shown below, it shows that any character can complete it as long as they have the Mario cap on for the race, but they can dispose of it later and complete it as Yoshi, Luigi, or Wario (Koopa even says a unique quite if anyone other than Mario beats him). So to avoid confusion, and to make it more clear which requirements are needed, I propose changing the table (for courses, which are the 15 major levels, at least) to the one shown below.
{|border="1"cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2 align="center"bgcolor=#fdfffd style="color:black" width=98% class="mw-collapsible mw-collapsed"
!colspan=7 bgcolor=#f0fff0|<big>Courses</big>
|-
!colspan=7 bgcolor=#f6fff6|[[File:Bob-omb Battlefield 64DS.png|280px]]<br>[[File:SM64DS Bob-omb Battlefield Course Icon.png|link=Bob-omb Battlefield]]
|-style=background:#fafffa
!width=2%|#
!width=22%|Mission
!width=52%|How to get the Star
!Yoshi
!Mario
!Luigi
!Wario
|-
|1
|[[Big Bob-omb on the Summit]]
|Yoshi has to go to the top of the mountain and fight the [[King Bob-omb|Big Bob-omb]] to obtain the Power Star. To do this, Yoshi must slurp [[Bob-omb]]s and spit them at him, while the other player characters must pick them up and throw them back at him.
|[[File:Check mark.svg|15px]]
|[[File:Check mark.svg|15px]]
|[[File:Check mark.svg|15px]]
|[[File:Check mark.svg|15px]]
|-
|2
|[[Footrace with Koopa the Quick]]
|The player has to race up the mountain against [[Koopa the Quick]]. If the player uses the [[cannon]]s, Koopa considers that cheating, and the player does not receive the Power Star. However, using the [[warp]]s is not considered cheating.
|[[File:Mariohat.jpg|15px]]
|[[File:Check mark.svg|15px]]
|[[File:Mariohat.jpg|15px]]
|[[File:Mariohat.jpg|15px]]
|-
|3
|[[5 Silver Stars!]]
|The player must collect the five [[Silver Star]]s scattered around the battlefield. In this mission, a [[Chain Chomp|Chain-Chomp]] is running loose with one of the Silver Stars at the end of its chain. This Star does not appear in the original, replacing [[Shoot to the Island in the Sky]].
|[[File:Check mark.svg|15px]]
|[[File:Check mark.svg|15px]]
|[[File:Check mark.svg|15px]]
|[[File:Check mark.svg|15px]]
|-
|4
|[[Big Bob-omb's Revenge]]
|The player has to fight the Big Bob-omb one last time, but this time the player must pick him up and throw him three times. Yoshi cannot fight him this time, unless he uses caps. If the player throws the Big Bob-omb off the mountain, he does not count the throw. This Star does not appear in the original.
|[[File:Mariohat.jpg|15px]][[File:SM64DS Luigi'sHat.jpg|15px]][[File:SM64DS Wario'sHat.jpg|15px]]
|[[File:Check mark.svg|15px]]
|[[File:Check mark.svg|15px]]
|[[File:Check mark.svg|15px]]
|-
|5
|[[Mario Wings to the Sky]]
|The player has to [[fly]] straight through the middle of the coin circles in the sky, collecting all five middle coins. If the player is not playing as Mario, the coins can still be collected via cannon.
|rowspan="3"|[[File:Check mark.svg|15px]]
|rowspan="3"|[[File:Check mark.svg|15px]]
|rowspan="3"|[[File:Check mark.svg|15px]]
|rowspan="3"|[[File:Check mark.svg|15px]]
|-
|6
|[[Find the 8 Red Coins]]
|The player has to collect all eight [[Red Coin]]s scattered around the battlefield.
|-
|7
|[[Behind Chain Chomp's Gate|Behind Chain-Chomp's Gate]]
|The player has to unleash the Chain-Chomp by ground-pounding the [[stump]] it is chained to. If the player is Luigi, he can simply [[dash|run]] through the cage with his Power Flower power to get the Star without having to do anything to the Chain-Chomp, and the stump can be [[Ground Pound|ground-pounded]] only once as Wario or if any character eats a [[Super Mushroom|mushroom]] that is inside a [[Block (Super Mario 64)|Brick]].
|}
'''Proposer''': {{User|Altendo}}<br>
'''Deadline''': <s>December 8, 23:59 GMT</s> December 20, 2023 23:59 GMT


====Change all level tables====
Now I really think this needs a gallery. {{User:Mario & Luigi/sig|Anyone agree?}}
#{{User|Altendo}} I think this will make it more clear on what character requirements are required to complete each mission.
#{{User|DrippingYellow}} Per proposer.
#{{User|SolemnStormcloud}} Per proposal.
#{{User|Power Flotzo}} Per all.
#{{User|ThePowerPlayer}} Per all.


====Change only course tables====
Done
 
[[User:Donaldthescotishtwin|Donaldthescotishtwin]]
====Don't change any tables====
 
====Comments====
Psst. Talk page proposals last two weeks, not two days. [[User:PrincessPeachFan|PrincessPeachFan]] ([[User talk:PrincessPeachFan|talk]]) 09:06, December 6, 2023 (EST)
 
@Altendo I agree that this arrangement is a lot more pleasing, but personally I think it would look better if you used the cap sprites from the Touch Screen map ([[File:SM64DS_MarioCap.png]][[File:SM64DS LuigiCap.png]][[File:SM64DS_WarioCap.png]]), rather than shrunken-down official renders. I'd also make the checkmarks and such 16px, since that's the width of the cap sprites, and put the "|center" tag in the image links to make them look better. Like so:
{|border="1"cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2 align="center"bgcolor=#fdfffd style="color:black" width=98% class="mw-collapsible mw-collapsed"
!colspan=7 bgcolor=#f0fff0|<big>Courses</big>
|-
!colspan=7 bgcolor=#f6fff6|[[File:Bob-omb Battlefield 64DS.png|280px]]<br>[[File:SM64DS Bob-omb Battlefield Course Icon.png|link=Bob-omb Battlefield]]
|-style=background:#fafffa
!width=2%|#
!width=22%|Mission
!width=52%|How to get the Star
!Yoshi
!Mario
!Luigi
!Wario
|-
|1
|[[Big Bob-omb on the Summit]]
|Yoshi has to go to the top of the mountain and fight the [[King Bob-omb|Big Bob-omb]] to obtain the Power Star. To do this, Yoshi must slurp [[Bob-omb]]s and spit them at him, while the other player characters must pick them up and throw them back at him.
|[[File:Check mark.svg|16px|center]]
|[[File:Check mark.svg|16px|center]]
|[[File:Check mark.svg|16px|center]]
|[[File:Check mark.svg|16px|center]]
|-
|2
|[[Footrace with Koopa the Quick]]
|The player has to race up the mountain against [[Koopa the Quick]]. If the player uses the [[cannon]]s, Koopa considers that cheating, and the player does not receive the Power Star. However, using the [[warp]]s is not considered cheating.
|[[File:SM64DS MarioCap.png|16px|center]]
|[[File:Check mark.svg|16px|center]]
|[[File:SM64DS MarioCap.png|16px|center]]
|[[File:SM64DS MarioCap.png|16px|center]]
|-
|3
|[[5 Silver Stars!]]
|The player must collect the five [[Silver Star]]s scattered around the battlefield. In this mission, a [[Chain Chomp|Chain-Chomp]] is running loose with one of the Silver Stars at the end of its chain. This Star does not appear in the original, replacing [[Shoot to the Island in the Sky]].
|[[File:Check mark.svg|16px|center]]
|[[File:Check mark.svg|16px|center]]
|[[File:Check mark.svg|16px|center]]
|[[File:Check mark.svg|16px|center]]
|-
|4
|[[Big Bob-omb's Revenge]]
|The player has to fight the Big Bob-omb one last time, but this time the player must pick him up and throw him three times. Yoshi cannot fight him this time, unless he uses caps. If the player throws the Big Bob-omb off the mountain, he does not count the throw. This Star does not appear in the original.
|[[File:SM64DS MarioCap.png|16px|center]][[File:SM64DS LuigiCap.png|16px|center]][[File:SM64DS WarioCap.png|16px|center]]
|[[File:Check mark.svg|16px|center]]
|[[File:Check mark.svg|16px|center]]
|[[File:Check mark.svg|16px|center]]
|-
|5
|[[Mario Wings to the Sky]]
|The player has to [[fly]] straight through the middle of the coin circles in the sky, collecting all five middle coins. If the player is not playing as Mario, the coins can still be collected via cannon.
|rowspan="3"|[[File:Check mark.svg|16px|center]]
|rowspan="3"|[[File:Check mark.svg|16px|center]]
|rowspan="3"|[[File:Check mark.svg|16px|center]]
|rowspan="3"|[[File:Check mark.svg|16px|center]]
|-
|6
|[[Find the 8 Red Coins]]
|The player has to collect all eight [[Red Coin]]s scattered around the battlefield.
|-
|7
|[[Behind Chain Chomp's Gate|Behind Chain-Chomp's Gate]]
|The player has to unleash the Chain-Chomp by ground-pounding the [[stump]] it is chained to. If the player is Luigi, he can simply [[dash|run]] through the cage with his Power Flower power to get the Star without having to do anything to the Chain-Chomp, and the stump can be [[Ground Pound|ground-pounded]] only once as Wario or if any character eats a [[Super Mushroom|mushroom]] that is inside a [[Block (Super Mario 64)|Brick]].
|}
- [[User:DrippingYellow|DrippingYellow]] ([[User talk:DrippingYellow|talk]]) 13:20, December 6, 2023 (EST)
 
Honestly, I don't think this needs a proposal at all. If you have a way to improve the tables, just do it, and see if anyone has any problems with it. If they do, address them. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 09:55, December 12, 2023 (EST)
:Just for future maintenance's sake I'd rather keep repetition of checkmarks than rowspan them. {{User:Mario/sig}} 02:48, December 16, 2023 (EST)
::I wholeheartedly agree. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 21:12, December 17, 2023 (EST)

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