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I'm too busy to move anything. If we are going to make a separate article for those games, call it Donkey Kong (original series) or something. {{User:Fawfulfury65/sig}} | I'm too busy to move anything. If we are going to make a separate article for those games, call it Donkey Kong (original series) or something. {{User:Fawfulfury65/sig}} | ||
:Also keep in mind that ''[[Donkey Kong (Game Boy)|Donkey Kong 94]]'' and the [[Mario vs. Donkey Kong (series)|''Mario vs. Donkey Kong'' series]] are continuations of the original ''DK'' games - at least in spirit... I think the simplest thing to do would be to include the games in both series, like you proposed earlier, Fawfulfury65. It works just fine for the [[Template:Donkey Kong games|navigation]] [[Template: | :Also keep in mind that ''[[Donkey Kong (Game Boy)|Donkey Kong 94]]'' and the [[Mario vs. Donkey Kong (series)|''Mario vs. Donkey Kong'' series]] are continuations of the original ''DK'' games - at least in spirit... I think the simplest thing to do would be to include the games in both series, like you proposed earlier, Fawfulfury65. It works just fine for the [[Template:Donkey Kong games|navigation]] [[Template:Mario games|templates]], after all. - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 21:12, 10 September 2010 (UTC) | ||
If we keep them, we should add King K. Rool and add enemies such as Zinger and Kritter. | If we keep them, we should add King K. Rool and add enemies such as Zinger and Kritter. | ||
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==Arrange== | ==Arrange== | ||
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In ''Items'', ''Objects'' and ''Species'' section, some kinds of Mushroom (Super Mushroom, 1-Up Mushroom, Poison Mushroom, etc.), Flowers (Fire Flower, Ice Flower), Coins (Coin, Red Coin), Blocks (? Block, Brick Block, ♪ Block), Goombas (Goomba, Paragoomba) and specially Koopas (Koopa Troopa, Buzzy Beetle, Magikoopa, False Bowser, Spiny, Hammer Bro., etc.), many are missing. So, I think we must separate them by larger groups (''Koopas'' and ''Flowers'', for example). {{proposal-link|Arrange Kinds}} | In ''Items'', ''Objects'' and ''Species'' section, some kinds of Mushroom (Super Mushroom, 1-Up Mushroom, Poison Mushroom, etc.), Flowers (Fire Flower, Ice Flower), Coins (Coin, Red Coin), Blocks (? Block, Brick Block, ♪ Block), Goombas (Goomba, Paragoomba) and specially Koopas (Koopa Troopa, Buzzy Beetle, Magikoopa, False Bowser, Spiny, Hammer Bro., etc.), many are missing. So, I think we must separate them by larger groups (''Koopas'' and ''Flowers'', for example). {{proposal-link|Arrange Kinds}} | ||
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== Rename [[Mario (series)]] to [[Mario (franchise)]] == | == Rename [[Mario (series)]] to [[Mario (franchise)]] == | ||
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This article is what can be called the greatest bridge among the great content that covers all the stuff related to Mario in this wiki, it could be said it is our "main article", content-wise talking. This article does not "discriminate" among the content it covers, it has every Mario-labeled game that has been released so far, every major character that has appeared within the media, every subseries it is divided on, major items and power-ups that have been present in the games, extended media that ranges from comic book adaptations and similar publications, animated cartoons, a live-action feature film and the cultural impact is has had worldwide in more than 30 years of history since 1981. Don't you feel referring to all these as "series" seems to limited? we are talking about a media franchise, in fact, the main paragraph at the start of the article already states that so why contradict it? referring to it as a "series" seems too specific because that word only ranges to very similar entries that have particularly something in common, but as a franchise it gets extended to a more ample point of view. Let's remember that this article being called "Mario (series)" already enters in conflict with another title and that's the core Super Mario (series), which is also called the "Mario (series)", this does not mean to redirect the page, but rather, make a huge contrast between the franchise and its most important series. This page deserves to be called a franchise for the sake of the huge Mario media that exists, though it is mostly video games, there is stuff in the Mario franchise that aren't video games and this article is clearly pointing it, all are derivative works and that my fellows, is what a media franchise is. The only thing it is missing in the coverage is merchandise like toys, but there are separate pages for that, though. If this proposal gets passed, I'd also recommend to rewrite the link on the main page so it reads "Mario franchise" as well. Remember, it's more than just video games. | This article is what can be called the greatest bridge among the great content that covers all the stuff related to Mario in this wiki, it could be said it is our "main article", content-wise talking. This article does not "discriminate" among the content it covers, it has every Mario-labeled game that has been released so far, every major character that has appeared within the media, every subseries it is divided on, major items and power-ups that have been present in the games, extended media that ranges from comic book adaptations and similar publications, animated cartoons, a live-action feature film and the cultural impact is has had worldwide in more than 30 years of history since 1981. Don't you feel referring to all these as "series" seems to limited? we are talking about a media franchise, in fact, the main paragraph at the start of the article already states that so why contradict it? referring to it as a "series" seems too specific because that word only ranges to very similar entries that have particularly something in common, but as a franchise it gets extended to a more ample point of view. Let's remember that this article being called "Mario (series)" already enters in conflict with another title and that's the core Super Mario (series), which is also called the "Mario (series)", this does not mean to redirect the page, but rather, make a huge contrast between the franchise and its most important series. This page deserves to be called a franchise for the sake of the huge Mario media that exists, though it is mostly video games, there is stuff in the Mario franchise that aren't video games and this article is clearly pointing it, all are derivative works and that my fellows, is what a media franchise is. The only thing it is missing in the coverage is merchandise like toys, but there are separate pages for that, though. If this proposal gets passed, I'd also recommend to rewrite the link on the main page so it reads "Mario franchise" as well. Remember, it's more than just video games. | ||
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== Move to "Super Mario (franchise)" -- proposal == | == Move to "Super Mario (franchise)" -- proposal == | ||
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To recap what I said right above, what is referred to here as the "Mario" brand, which includes spin-offs and miscellaneous merch, is universally promoted by official entities as "Super Mario", and I think the wiki should duly reflect this state of affairs. The latter label is used in: | To recap what I said right above, what is referred to here as the "Mario" brand, which includes spin-offs and miscellaneous merch, is universally promoted by official entities as "Super Mario", and I think the wiki should duly reflect this state of affairs. The latter label is used in: | ||
*Nintendo's websites | *Nintendo's websites | ||
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**[https://www.smashbros.com/en_US/fighter/series.html smashbros.com] fighter series lists | **[https://www.smashbros.com/en_US/fighter/series.html smashbros.com] fighter series lists | ||
**[https://youtu.be/xvudMu-5kIU?t=25 Super Smash Bros. for 3DS/Wii U trailer] | **[https://youtu.be/xvudMu-5kIU?t=25 Super Smash Bros. for 3DS/Wii U trailer] | ||
** | **''Super Smash Bros. Ultimate''{{'}}s spirit list, where many Mario spirits, even some who were never featured in the mainline ''[[Super Mario (series)|Super Mario]]'' platformers, are classified as pertaining to the "Super Mario Series". | ||
...and the logo in the infobox at the top of this very page. | ...and the logo in the infobox at the top of this very page. | ||
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#{{User|ThePowerPlayer}} - Per proposal. It's always irked me how the name of the franchise is clearly ''Super Mario'', but the article name doesn't reflect that. This would be the simplest way to give the franchise article its correct name, while distinguishing it from the ''Super Mario'' series of platformers featuring Mario, the character. | #{{User|ThePowerPlayer}} - Per proposal. It's always irked me how the name of the franchise is clearly ''Super Mario'', but the article name doesn't reflect that. This would be the simplest way to give the franchise article its correct name, while distinguishing it from the ''Super Mario'' series of platformers featuring Mario, the character. | ||
#{{User|Arend}} Per all. | #{{User|Arend}} Per all. | ||
====Option 2==== | ====Option 2==== | ||
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#{{User|SeanWheeler}} If this passes, I would imagine other proposals moving [[Donkey Kong (franchise)]] to {{fake link|Donkey Kong Country (franchise)}}, [[Yoshi (franchise)]] to {{fake link|Yoshi's Island (franchise)}} and [[Wario (franchise)]] to {{fake link|Wario Ware (franchise)}}. Not all Mario games include the word "Super" in them. | #{{User|SeanWheeler}} If this passes, I would imagine other proposals moving [[Donkey Kong (franchise)]] to {{fake link|Donkey Kong Country (franchise)}}, [[Yoshi (franchise)]] to {{fake link|Yoshi's Island (franchise)}} and [[Wario (franchise)]] to {{fake link|Wario Ware (franchise)}}. Not all Mario games include the word "Super" in them. | ||
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::Yeah, the fact that Nintendo still keeps a big distinction between the Wario ''Land'' series and the Wario''Ware'' series, instead of using either name as an umbrella term for both series, makes me feel that the Wario franchise page doesn't need to be moved to a different name yet.<br>On another note, the Spirits in Smash Bros Ultimate does list a lot of Yoshi spirits as to be from the ''Yoshi's Island'' series, even if they're from ''[[Yoshi Topsy-Turvy]]'' like Hongo. Exceptions are those from ''[[Yoshi's Story]]'' and ''[[Yoshi's Woolly World]]'' (which lists these as to be from their respective game), but strangely enough not ''[[Yoshi's Crafted World]]'', but that's probably because the Spirit in question is the Crafted World alt for Yoshi. That kind of makes me think some of the Yoshi platformer games should be part of the ''Yoshi's Island'' series, and/or the Yoshi franchise as a whole uses either "Yoshi" or "Yoshi's Island" interchangeably. {{User:Arend/sig}} 13:39, May 14, 2023 (EDT) | ::Yeah, the fact that Nintendo still keeps a big distinction between the Wario ''Land'' series and the Wario''Ware'' series, instead of using either name as an umbrella term for both series, makes me feel that the Wario franchise page doesn't need to be moved to a different name yet.<br>On another note, the Spirits in Smash Bros Ultimate does list a lot of Yoshi spirits as to be from the ''Yoshi's Island'' series, even if they're from ''[[Yoshi Topsy-Turvy]]'' like Hongo. Exceptions are those from ''[[Yoshi's Story]]'' and ''[[Yoshi's Woolly World]]'' (which lists these as to be from their respective game), but strangely enough not ''[[Yoshi's Crafted World]]'', but that's probably because the Spirit in question is the Crafted World alt for Yoshi. That kind of makes me think some of the Yoshi platformer games should be part of the ''Yoshi's Island'' series, and/or the Yoshi franchise as a whole uses either "Yoshi" or "Yoshi's Island" interchangeably. {{User:Arend/sig}} 13:39, May 14, 2023 (EDT) | ||
:::The spirit list also classifies [[Count Cannoli]] as a character from the Wario Land series when he's actually from [[Wario: Master of Disguise]], which we don't consider to be part of the Wario Land series, on top of the inconsistencies that you've mentioned, so it's probably best to take it with a grain of salt. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 14:09, May 14, 2023 (EDT) | :::The spirit list also classifies [[Count Cannoli]] as a character from the Wario Land series when he's actually from [[Wario: Master of Disguise]], which we don't consider to be part of the Wario Land series, on top of the inconsistencies that you've mentioned, so it's probably best to take it with a grain of salt. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 14:09, May 14, 2023 (EDT) | ||
