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==Move attack info here and rename to {{Fake link|Super Hammer (move)}}==
==Move attack info here and rename to {{Fake link|Super Hammer (move)}}==
{{Settled TPP}}
{{TPP}}
{{Proposal outcome|passed|6-4-0|Merge and rename, do not merge Spin Smash}}
This is a bit confusing, but I'll try to explain it well.
This is a bit confusing, but I'll try to explain it well.
* From what I've seen, the name "Spin Hammer" is never used in-game. The field move is always called "Super Hammer" in English, the same name as the attack.
* From what I've seen, the name "Spin Hammer" is never used in-game. The field move is always called "Super Hammer" in English, the same name as the attack.
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EDIT: I have added a second option which would also merge the badge/attack [[Spin Smash]] from ''[[Paper Mario]]'', at [[User:Pseudo|Pseudo]]'s request (thanks for pointing it out). That move is mostly identical to its TTYD equivalent. They both cost 2FP to execute, and involve spinning a hammer to knock the enemy in front at those behind it, dealing 1 point of damage to them. Not only that, but they also have similar (though not identical) Japanese and French names, and the same German name. You can certainly make the case that the move was renamed for consistency with the Hammer and Ultra Hammer moves.
EDIT: I have added a second option which would also merge the badge/attack [[Spin Smash]] from ''[[Paper Mario]]'', at [[User:Pseudo|Pseudo]]'s request (thanks for pointing it out). That move is mostly identical to its TTYD equivalent. They both cost 2FP to execute, and involve spinning a hammer to knock the enemy in front at those behind it, dealing 1 point of damage. Not only that, but they also have similar (though not identical) Japanese and French names, and the same German name. You can certainly make the case that the move was renamed for consistency with the Hammer and Ultra Hammer moves.


'''Proposer''': {{User|Blinker}}<br>
'''Proposer''': {{User|Blinker}}<br>
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#{{User|Blinker}} Per proposal.
#{{User|Blinker}} Per proposal.
#{{user|MegaBowser64}} Perpro posal!
#{{user|MegaBowser64}} Perpro posal!
#{{User|SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)}} P e r p r o p o s a l !
#{{User|PrincessPeachFan}} Sure.
#{{User|PrincessPeachFan}} Sure.
#{{User|Pseudo}} Second choice, per proposal.
#{{User|Pseudo}} Second choice, per proposal.
#{{User|Hewer}} Per proposal.
#{{User|DrBaskerville}} Per proposal.


===Support (and merge [[Spin Smash]])===
===Support (and merge [[Spin Smash]])===
#{{User|Blinker}} Second choice.
#{{User|Blinker}} Second choice.
#{{User|Pseudo}} Preferred choice, as these are essentially the same thing.
#{{User|Pseudo}} Preferred choice, as these are essentially the same thing.
#{{User|SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)}} P e r p r o p o s a l !
#{{User|Okapii}} Per Pseudo.


===Oppose===
===Oppose===
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:Regarding Spin Smash, sure. I have added the option. As for Ultra Hammer, I do want to split that as well, but I feel like that's a whole other can of worms (I would also like to split "Hammer" the move from "Hammer" the item, in the same way "Jump" is split from "Boots", since all Hammer items can be used to perform the regular Hammer attack, and the regular Hammer item can perform many different Hammer attacks, so the item and the move are definitely not the same subject). The Super Hammer is a more straightforward split due to the naming differences, so that's why I went with it first. I'm thinking of maybe making a separate proposal for the others later though. What do you think? [[User:Blinker|Blinker]] ([[User talk:Blinker|talk]]) 11:19, May 30, 2024 (EDT)
:Regarding Spin Smash, sure. I have added the option. As for Ultra Hammer, I do want to split that as well, but I feel like that's a whole other can of worms (I would also like to split "Hammer" the move from "Hammer" the item, in the same way "Jump" is split from "Boots", since all Hammer items can be used to perform the regular Hammer attack, and the regular Hammer item can perform many different Hammer attacks, so the item and the move are definitely not the same subject). The Super Hammer is a more straightforward split due to the naming differences, so that's why I went with it first. I'm thinking of maybe making a separate proposal for the others later though. What do you think? [[User:Blinker|Blinker]] ([[User talk:Blinker|talk]]) 11:19, May 30, 2024 (EDT)
::Sounds sensible to me. {{User:Pseudo/sig}} 12:12, May 30, 2024 (EDT)
::Sounds sensible to me. {{User:Pseudo/sig}} 12:12, May 30, 2024 (EDT)
:::Woah, woah, woah. Now I have to think on whether I want "Spin Smash" included in the merge or not! EDIT: Ok, thought about it, and changed my vote. [[User:SONIC123CDMANIA+&#38;K(B&#38;ATSA)|SONIC123CDMANIA+&#38;K(B&#38;ATSA)]] ([[User talk:SONIC123CDMANIA+&#38;K(B&#38;ATSA)|talk]]) 12:30, May 30, 2024 (EDT)
: Just moved the page. [[User:PrincessPeachFan|PrincessPeachFan]] ([[User talk:PrincessPeachFan|talk]]) 08:44, June 16, 2024 (EDT)
== What what what? ==
Okay, so, I didn't know this when I made the above proposal, but, um... First off, apparently the "Spin Smash" move from ''Paper Mario'' is actually referred to as "Spin Hammer" in the [[Shy Stack]]'s tattle of all places. Not just in the English version, but in the Japanese version as well. So that basically proves that these two moves are the same, and should have been merged. So, I guess we'll tackle that four weeks from now? But also, if you're wondering why this inconsistency exists in the first place, it turns out, in the Japanese version of the original ''Paper Mario'' (but not ''TTYD''), apparently moves unlocked with badges have different names from the badges that unlock them? For example, this badge is 「カイテンナグーリ」(''Kaiten Nagūri''), but the move in battle it unlocks is 「かいてんハンマー」(''Kaiten Hanmā''). And all these alternate move names are missing from the wiki <s>(and I have no way to get them, I only found out about this because of some YouTube video)</s>. [[User:Blinker|Blinker]] ([[User talk:Blinker|talk]]) 12:05, June 16, 2024 (EDT)

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