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==Proposal: Split pages==
==Proposal: Split pages==
{{Settled TPP}}
{{SettledTPP}}
{{Proposal outcome|blue|NO QUORUM 1-0}}<br>
{{ProposalOutcome|blue|NO QUORUM 1-0}}<br>


Can we split this? Like to "Stickers (Smash Bros.)" and "Stickers (Paper Mario)"?
Can we split this? Like to "Stickers (Smash Bros.)" and "Stickers (Paper Mario)"?
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== Trim this page ==
== Trim this page ==


{{Settled TPP}}
{{TPP}}
{{Proposal outcome|failed|3-6|Leave as is}}
Consistent with how the [[Trophy (Super Smash Bros. series)|trophy]] pages list subjects from only the ''[[Super Mario (franchise)|Super Mario]]'' franchise, this proposal aims to trim the stickers list to show only ''Super Mario'' characters, making it significantly easier to see which stickers represent the ''Super Mario'' franchise, including non-''Super Mario'' that can exclusively be used by a few fighters if at least one of them is from the ''Super Mario'' franchise (e.g. how [[wikibound:Master Belch|Master Belch]] can be used by Yoshi and Wario). I made the change in [https://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=Sticker_(Super_Smash_Bros._Brawl)&oldid=4125354 this revision] of the article, but I was notified that this would need approval via a proposal, so if this passes, the revision I linked to will be reinstated. A full list can be found at SmashWiki, as indicated by {{tem|main-external}} used in my revision of the article.
Consistent with how the [[Trophy (Super Smash Bros. series)|trophy]] pages list subjects from only the ''[[Super Mario (franchise)|Super Mario]]'' franchise, this proposal aims to trim the stickers list to show only ''Super Mario'' characters, making it significantly easier to see which stickers represent the ''Super Mario'' franchise, including non-''Super Mario'' that can exclusively be used by a few fighters if at least one of them is from the ''Super Mario'' franchise (e.g. how [[wikibound:Master Belch|Master Belch]] can be used by Yoshi and Wario). I made the change in [https://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=Sticker_(Super_Smash_Bros._Brawl)&oldid=4125354 this revision] of the article, but I was notified that this would need approval via a proposal, so if this passes, the revision I linked to will be reinstated. A full list can be found at SmashWiki, as indicated by {{tem|main-wiki}} used in my revision of the article.


'''Proposer''': {{User|Super Mario RPG}}<br>
'''Proposer''': {{User|Super Mario RPG}}<br>
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====Support====
====Support====
#{{User|Super Mario RPG}} As proposer.
#{{User|Super Mario RPG}} As proposer.
#{{User|TheUndescribableGhost}} There's a lot of filler on this page that makes it quite pointless for a ''Super Mario'' reader.
#{{User|Axis}} Per my reasoning in previous proposal.


====Oppose====
====Oppose====
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#{{User|Tails777}} There are a total of 206 out of 700 stickers that are exclusively used by characters who are not from the ''Mario series'' (yes I counted, yes I could've miscounted, but let's roll with that) and that number could be less if R.O.B. and Mr. Game & Watch creep the coverage barrier. And while that is a rather high number, being less than half doesn't really convince me it's worth separating what can and can't be used by a ''Mario series'' character (cause I feel stickers that are usable by everyone are still usable by ''Mario'' characters and technically should count) and I feel it's no harm that we cover every sticker. Also, per Waluigi Time.
#{{User|Tails777}} There are a total of 206 out of 700 stickers that are exclusively used by characters who are not from the ''Mario series'' (yes I counted, yes I could've miscounted, but let's roll with that) and that number could be less if R.O.B. and Mr. Game & Watch creep the coverage barrier. And while that is a rather high number, being less than half doesn't really convince me it's worth separating what can and can't be used by a ''Mario series'' character (cause I feel stickers that are usable by everyone are still usable by ''Mario'' characters and technically should count) and I feel it's no harm that we cover every sticker. Also, per Waluigi Time.
#{{User|SolemnStormcloud}} Per opposition.
#{{User|SolemnStormcloud}} Per opposition.
#{{User|Koopa con Carne}} I'd be for removing stickers that have no connection to Mario whatsoever, but IMO those stickers that don't depict a thing from Mario but are usable by all fighters (and, implicitly, by all Mario fighters) should still be covered.
#{{User|Hewer}} Per all, and the logic that Mario characters can use them because all characters can is what's keeping [[Spirit (Super Smash Bros. Ultimate)|spirits]] untrimmed too (and I guess also the [[List of Super Smash Bros. series items]]). But also I feel like having a list of stickers that haphazardly excludes only some of the non-Mario ones would seem weirder and less complete than just keeping them all, per Tails777.
#{{User|Power Flotzo}} Per all.


====Comments====
====Comments====
So will this remove stickers that aren't represented by a Mario character and also don't have exclusivity to any Mario characters? For instance would Master Belch from Earthbound stay for granting benefits to Wario and Yoshi? That was a sticking point of a proposal.[https://www.mariowiki.com/MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/61#Trim_and_merge_Smash_spirits_and_stickers] {{User:Mario/sig}} 12:58, January 27, 2024 (EST)
So will this remove stickers that aren't represented by a Mario character and also don't have exclusivity to any Mario characters? For instance would Master Belch from Earthbound stay for granting benefits to Wario and Yoshi? That was a sticking point of a proposal.[https://www.mariowiki.com/MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/61#Trim_and_merge_Smash_spirits_and_stickers] {{User:Mario/sig}} 12:58, January 27, 2024 (EST)
:Yes, that's what I was aiming to describe, and in the revision I showed, you will see I kept Master Belch. [[User:Super Mario RPG|Super Mario RPG]] ([[User talk:Super Mario RPG|talk]]) 13:01, January 27, 2024 (EST)
:Yes, that's what I was aiming to describe, and in the revision I showed, you will see I kept Master Belch. [[User:Super Mario RPG|Super Mario RPG]] ([[User talk:Super Mario RPG|talk]]) 13:01, January 27, 2024 (EST)
We're going to abstain from this, if for no other reason that we figure if we were to go one way or the other as to if "other characters can use these too" is worth keeping the articles split/comprehensive, we'd also need to do the same both to [[Spirits]], [[Equipment]], and to a lesser extent the various [[List of Super Smash Bros. series items|items]]. <s><small>personally, we'd rather trim down on ''all'' of these except for MAYBE the list of items, but this is a move that'd be way too drastic even for this proposal's standards. the smash coverage as a whole needs a serious re-work because it's leaving some aspects (cough cough categories) in truly dire states.</small></s> {{User:Camwoodstock/sig}} 15:56, January 28, 2024 (EST)
:To me, the argument about how all these stickers applying to ''Super Mario'' fighters begs the question if that means a full list of stickers should be on other Nintendo wikis. That's why we have SmashWiki. [[User:Super Mario RPG|Super Mario RPG]] ([[User talk:Super Mario RPG|talk]]) 16:01, January 28, 2024 (EST)
::And as has been reiterated time and time again throughout the years of Smash Bros. coverage debates, what other wikis do doesn't dictate what this one does. They have their own standards, we have ours. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 17:17, January 28, 2024 (EST)

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