Editing Talk:Start Dash

==Merge to [[Rocket Start]]==
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Mario and Sonic at the Olympic Games have a Start Dash but, should this be merged to the rocket start article? In this TPP, you be the judge. Should we merge, or not?

'''Proposer''': {{User|Reddragon19k}}<br>
'''Proposed Deadline''': September 30, 2011, 23:59 GMT<br>
'''Date Withdrawn:''' September 16, 2011

=== Merge ===
# {{User|Reddragon19k}} - Per myself and proposal!

===No Merge===

===Comment===

==Rocket Start Merge==
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{{ProposalOutcome|failed|0-4|Don't merge}} 
Should we merge it with the rocket start, or not?

'''Proposer''': {{User|Firebreath24}}<br>
'''Deadline''': November 29, 2013, 23:59 GMT

=== Merge ===

===No Merge===
#{{User|Randombob-omb4761}} They are from 2 different games, Rocket Dash and Start Dash aren't really the same thing.
#{{User|Baby Luigi}} Totally not the same thing. Rocket Start is precisely Mario Kart related. The "other appearances" section shouldn't even be there in the first place, as I'll bet that they're totally different and not named "Rocket Start" here.
#{{User|LeftyGreenMario}} Unless Start Dash involves people with rockets firing from their posteriors, Start Dash and Rocket Start are two different mechanics. The last sentence, I'm not even sure if it's an actual term.
#{{User|Scr7}} No. They're not even from the same game, let alone a similar thing.

===Comment===
You need to explain why you want it merged. {{User:Randombob-omb4761/sig}}

== Merge with Rocket Start, take 3 ==

{{TPP}}
Both this page and the [[Rocket Start]] page describe the same [[MarioWiki:Generic subjects|generic]] act of getting a head start in a race by timing a certain action well during the countdown. No, it being present in multiple unrelated games isn't a reason to keep them split in itself. Aesthetic distinctions the likes of "karts emitting fire through their exhaust during a Rocket Start" aren't a good reason either.

'''Proposer''': {{User|Koopa con Carne}}<br>
'''Deadline''': August 17, 2023, 23:59 GMT

====Support====
#{{User|Koopa con Carne}} per proposal

====Oppose====
#{{User|ThePowerPlayer}} A Rocket Start exclusively refers to a starting boost achieved by charging a kart or vehicle, while a Start Dash exclusively refers to a starting boost in a footrace, achieved by the user charging their own energy instead.

====Comments====
@ThePowerPlayer, "A Rocket Start exclusively refers to a starting boost [...] while a Start Dash exclusively refers to a starting boost" So they're both essentially the same thing. I don't see how the nature of the playable element is even relevant here: you can [[jump]] while controlling a character and you can jump along [[Mine Cart Carnage|with a mine cart]]--does this warrant a separate page for the act of jumping using an entire vehicle? As for the manner in which said action is performed, there is precedent of a certain move being triggered differently between games, but sharing the same page nonetheless: [[Ground Pound]]s are typically triggered with a controller's shoulder button while your character is in mid-air, but in TTYD you have to press the jump button again instead. {{User:Koopa con Carne/Sig}} 21:01, August 3, 2023 (EDT)
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 ==Merge to [[Rocket Start]]==
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 Mario and Sonic at the Olympic Games have a Start Dash but, should this be merged to the rocket start article? In this TPP, you be the judge. Should we merge, or not?
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 ==Rocket Start Merge==
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 Should we merge it with the rocket start, or not?
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 == Merge with Rocket Start, take 3 ==
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 Both this page and the [[Rocket Start]] page describe the same [[MarioWiki:Generic subjects|generic]] act of getting a head start in a race by timing a certain action well during the countdown. No, it being present in multiple unrelated games isn't a reason to keep them split in itself. Aesthetic distinctions the likes of "karts emitting fire through their exhaust during a Rocket Start" aren't a good reason either.
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 ====Support====
 #{{User|Koopa con Carne}} per proposal
-#{{User|Tails777}} They're both means of getting a head start. Whether it be in a kart, a bobsled or on foot really doesn't change that.
-#{{User|Pseudo}} Per all.
-#{{User|Arend}} Per all. Also, ThePowerPlayer's argument of "Rocket Starts can only be achieved by vehicles and Start Dashes can only be achieved in footraces" doesn't make any sense when the ''Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games'' series always calls a head start boost a "Starting Dash" (with or without caps), regardless of the event in question being [[100m (Mario & Sonic at the London 2012 Olympic Games for Wii)|on foot]], [[Speed Skating 500m (Mario & Sonic at the Sochi 2014 Olympic Winter Games)|on skates]], [[Track Cycling - Team Pursuit|on a bicycle]], or [[Bobsleigh (Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Winter Games for Wii)|in a bobsled]].
-#{{User|ThePowerPlayer}} Per Arend; see comments.
-#{{User|MegaBowser64}} Yay! Per above.
-#{{User|Killer Moth}} Per all. They are essentially the same thing.
-#{{User|Pizza Master}} Per Killer Moth.
 ====Oppose====
-<s>#{{User|ThePowerPlayer}} A Rocket Start exclusively refers to a starting boost achieved by charging a kart or vehicle, while a Start Dash exclusively refers to a starting boost in a footrace, achieved by the user charging their own energy instead.</s>
+#{{User|ThePowerPlayer}} A Rocket Start exclusively refers to a starting boost achieved by charging a kart or vehicle, while a Start Dash exclusively refers to a starting boost in a footrace, achieved by the user charging their own energy instead.
 ====Comments====
 @ThePowerPlayer, "A Rocket Start exclusively refers to a starting boost [...] while a Start Dash exclusively refers to a starting boost" So they're both essentially the same thing. I don't see how the nature of the playable element is even relevant here: you can [[jump]] while controlling a character and you can jump along [[Mine Cart Carnage|with a mine cart]]--does this warrant a separate page for the act of jumping using an entire vehicle? As for the manner in which said action is performed, there is precedent of a certain move being triggered differently between games, but sharing the same page nonetheless: [[Ground Pound]]s are typically triggered with a controller's shoulder button while your character is in mid-air, but in TTYD you have to press the jump button again instead. {{User:Koopa con Carne/Sig}} 21:01, August 3, 2023 (EDT)
-Regardless of whether this proposal succeeds of fails, doesn't anyone find it weird that the 2007 ''Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games'' is the ''only one'' of its series listed? Like, I could've sworn that nearly every race event across ''the entire series'' allows the player to make a head start akin to the Rocket Start in Mario Kart (this includes all track events, but ''also'' all Speed Skating events from the ''Olympic Winter Games'' entries). I feel like that section could be expanded to encompass the entire Olympic Games series and include their respective race events that allow for a head start. {{User:Arend/sig}} 12:30, August 6, 2023 (EDT)
-:Moreover, the Speed Skating and Ski Cross events' instructions from the Vancouver and Sochi ''Olympic Winter Games'' (as well as those for Snowboard Cross and Bobsleigh for Vancouver) refer to it as a '''starting dash''' (no caps), as the track events' instructions from the London ''Olympic Games'' call it a '''Starting Dash''' (with caps), while ''also'' inferring there's a '''super starting dash''' (again no caps). {{User:Arend/sig}} 12:44, August 6, 2023 (EDT)
-:When I made my vote in opposition, I was unaware that the Start Dash was used for events with vehicles and not just for footraces, since the article doesn't make this explicitly clear, and the accompanying image is one of a footrace. I do agree with Arend that the mechanic's role in the ''Mario & Sonic'' series should be expanded, regardless of the proposal's outcome. Seeing as the Start Dash's only other appearance is in ''Super Mario Galaxy'', where it doesn't have any official name, I can support a merge. {{User:ThePowerPlayer/sig}} 17:48, August 6, 2023 (EDT)