Editing Talk:Star Hill

== Paper Mario ==

I'm never played RPG, but I have played Partners in Time, so... I don't think that Shooting Star Summit and Star Hill are one and the same.  The Summet is much smaller and contains no Star door blocking any not of pure hearts. -[[User:Stumpers|Stumpers]]

:Agreed. The article should be seperated into two different articles. -- [[User: Son of Suns]]


:Bit of an issue... when you search for Shooting Star Summit, it redirects you here, so... how do you make a separate artitcle for it?-[[User:Stumpers|Stumpers]]

::Click on the Shooting Star Summit link when you get redirected. You will be taken to the redirect page, which you can change. [[User: Monty Mole|<font color="#C0D9D9"><i>Monty Mole]]</i></font>

:::Should the <nowiki>{{split}}</nowiki> template be placed on the article? - [[User:Yoshi626|<b><span style="color:green">Yoshi</span></b>]][[User talk:Yoshi626|<b><span style="color:black">626</span></b>]][[Image:MKDD Yoshi Egg.png|20px]] 15:46, 18 December 2006 (EST)
::::Yeah, as most players probably think of them as the same place. {{User:3dejong/sig}}

::::Should it be placed like this? <nowiki>{{split|Shooting Star Summit|Star Hill}}</nowiki> - [[User:Yoshi626|<b><span style="color:green">Yoshi</span></b>]][[User talk:Yoshi626|<b><span style="color:black">626</span></b>]][[Image:MKDD Yoshi Egg.png|20px]] 16:03, 18 December 2006 (EST)

Maybe shooting star summit is on star hill.
-Pal101
:Proof? --{{User:Yoshi626/sig}} 02:49, 19 April 2007 (EDT)

They both link to star road (or something that looks like it. Both are are nearby places where wishes are granted.
Its always nightime in both places, and both the ground is purple.-PAl101
{{Unsigned|Pal101}}
:[[Shooting Star Summit]] links to [[Star Way]], not [[Star Road]]. --{{User:Yoshi626/sig}} 21:43, 21 April 2007 (EDT)
They look identicle though-Pal101
:Do you have a source that says that they are the same place? --{{User:Yoshi626/sig}} 21:52, 21 April 2007 (EDT)
No but we don't have a source that says [[Goomboss]]is the Goomba king either.-Pal101
:Unless there is a source saying that [[Star Hill]] and [[Shooting Star Summit]] are the same place, the articles are staying separate. --{{User:Yoshi626/sig}} 21:59, 21 April 2007 (EDT)
Okydokee-Pal101

Pretty smart you are. But that isn't right. The places are named differently and we just don't know.<br>[[User:Confused|<span style="color:Red;">I</span>]] [[User talk:Confused|<span style="color:Blue;">am</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Confused|<span style="color:Green;">Confused</span>]] 22:01, 21 April 2007 (EDT)

The names are the same in jappanese, it was changed to Shooting star summit when it came out in english. [[user:Peachycakes 3.14]]

:Yes, they have the same name in Japanese. Factor in that Shooting Star Summit and Star Hill are located in the same general area in Paper Mario and Partners in Time, and this whole mix-up was one of those freak NoA mistakes. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] 15:25, 12 November 2008 (EST)

==Split {{fake link|Star Hill (Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time)}} from [[Star Hill]]==
{{SettledTPP}}
{{ProposalOutcome|green|SPLIT 3-1}}

This article implies that the M&L:PiT one is different then the other 2. The one in the PiT one doesn't involve any wishes or anything. They have different Japanese names and etc. 

'''Proposer:''' {{User:KS3/sig 2}}<br>
'''Deadline:''' May 27 2010, 23:59

<div id=fh3 class=mw-headline>Split</div>
#{{User|KS3}} Per proposal, and the fact that we merged [[Goby]], [[Yo'ster Isle]], [[Pale Piranha]], etc. (Note that if you click on the links, they redirects to their respective articles), and that we split [[Piranha Plant (Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door)]].
#{{user|Bloc Partier}} - Different Japanese names means different places. Or at least that's the standard we've set...
#{{User|Gamefreak75}} I guess...per all.

<div id=fh3 class=mw-headline>Don't Split</div>
#{{User|Turkishcoffee }} If we're merging Shooting Star Summit, we might as well keep this in.

<div id=fh3 class=mw-headline>Comments</div>
Going with the Japanese continuity, there are two Star Hills: the Shooting Star Hill (Failing Star Hill) (mis-translated to Star Hill then Shooting Star Summit) that is linked to wishes and is dark blue, and the Star Hill that is linked to the Star Shrine and is light blue. We should maybe split Star Hill (Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time) and Star Hill, then fuse Star Hill and Shooting Star Summit ? I don't know, so I'm not voting (yet). [[User:Koopalmier|Koopalmier]] 17:57, 13 May 2010 (EDT)

==Problem==
As you can see above this proposal did actually passed but was labeled a No QUORUM  however, this proposal is well over a year old and the person who proposed this is currently blocked and this proposal is well over a year old my question is do we accept this proposal and split the articles or do we have another TPP about it {{User|Goomba's Shoe15}}
:I changed the label to "Passed". Unless anyone objects, the pages should be split. - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 20:28, 7 June 2011 (EDT)

==King's Quest 7==

The music for Shooting Star Summit sounds like the desert music from KQ7. [[User:PoisonMushroom|PoisonMushroom]] 14:15, 16 September 2011 (EDT)

== Wait, why the split? ==

This is probably very old news, but I don't understand this split... From what I understand, it's because the Japanese name is different from its first two appearances and that there's no demonstration that it has anything to do with wishes, but the names basically translate to the same thing ([Falling] Star Hill), and it's in the exact same location as its Paper Mario counterpart (granted, geography was never consistent in Mario games, but certain ideas like Yoshi's Island being somewhere southwest of the Mushroom Kingdom have more or less been constant). If the Star Hills are going to be split because the Japanese names are slightly different, why not also, for example, go through every instance of Yo'ster Isle and Yoshi's Island in the Japanese games, and split that article up as well? Just like Star Hill, Yoshi's Island also changes appearance every game in appears in, so it'd pretty much be the same thing... [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 22:55, 28 April 2014 (EDT)
:I agree it's silly. You can make a TPP on this matter. --[[User:Glowsquid|Glowsquid]] ([[User talk:Glowsquid|talk]]) 23:10, 28 April 2014 (EDT)

== Remerge with [[Star Hill (Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time)]] ==
{{SettledTPP}}
{{ProposalOutcome|passed|4-0|merge}}

Based on the above section. The old proposal ended up splitting Star Hill on the basis of the Japanese names, but that is often not the final authority on this Wiki (we still have, for example, Chancellor and Toad Minister, Para-Beetle and Parabuzzy, and even Boo Guy to name a few). The fact is that even if the name is written differently, it still an essentially identical translation ([Falling] Star Hill), the game series even in Japan already often uses many different names interchangeably for the same concepts like the Koopa Troop, and any perceived significant differences in terrain or function with its Paper Mario counterpart (which is in the exact spot) can be chalked up to time traveling to its past incarnation.

'''Proposer''': {{User|LinkTheLefty}} <br>
'''Deadline''': May 13, 2014, 23:59 GMT

===Support===
#{{User|LinkTheLefty}} Per proposal.
#{{User|Glowsquid}} per above reasoning.
#{{User|Ninelevendo}} We shouldn't of split it, it's like separating [[Toad Town]].
#{{User|Yoshi876}} Per proposal.

===Oppose===

===Comments===

== Merge/split? ==

I understand that recurring locales change a lot for Mushroom Kingdom so it's generally senseless to make multiple pages on Mushroom Kingdom or Bowser's Castle or Peach's Castle, but key here is recurring. If Star Hill was a commonly recurring location (like Toad Town), then yeah, I can see the argument that it's multiple iterations of the same location, but it's only in three games, with maybe Paper Mario and Super Mario RPG being most related, but the Partners in Time one, it can be easily argued that the location isn't a Mushroom Kingdom locale and developers could've independently came up with two similarish locations (conflicting names in other languages particularly the Partners in Time variant). It simply does not have enough appearances for me to comfortably make a conclusion here.

I bring this up because it's cited a lot in the the controversial [[Talk:Chancellor]] discussion (and I was tempted to cite it again just to turn brain cogs); but, like with Star Hill's limited appearances, Chancellor does also have way too limited appearances and across the two have notable design differences (unlike the shamans) I don't think it's a great example and I while I do see where the support for the merge is coming from, the evidence isn't quite solid enough for me to support a merge though it's compelling enough for me to not support a split either. {{User:Mario/sig}} 02:41, June 29, 2024 (EDT)