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== Split page ==
== Split page ==


{{Settled TPP}}
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{{Proposal outcome|passed|1-11-1-0|split by 500 entries}}
The loading time caused by the sheer amount of content on this page is absolutely infernal. It makes navigation extremely sluggish, which, needless to say, does a great disservice to readers. While the [[MarioWiki:Article size|article size policy]] is explicitly not applicable to lists, I propose we make an exception here and divide this page into smaller lists, each with a (near) equal number of entries, where the remaining 13 entries are included in the lattermost list. Specifically, I propose the page is split by either 250 entries (as the page is currenly sectioned, would improve accessibility on individual lists), or 500 entries (in order to prevent a large volume of individual lists).
The loading time caused by the sheer amount of content on this page is absolutely infernal. It makes navigation extremely sluggish, which, needless to say, does a great disservice to readers. While the [[MarioWiki:Article size|article size policy]] is explicitly not applicable to lists, I propose we make an exception here and divide this page into smaller lists, each with a (near) equal number of entries, where the remaining 13 entries are included in the lattermost list. Specifically, I propose the page is split by either 250 entries (as the page is currenly sectioned, would improve accessibility on individual lists), or 500 entries (in order to prevent a large volume of individual lists).


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You're going to have an "uneven" amount regardless of whether you count the original base-game (1297) or current post-release (1513) totals. Keep in mind that there's always the possibility of Nintendo commissioning a handful of more promotional spirits in the future. Another organizational kerfuffle is that the series representation is all over the place when you factor the post-release spirits (i.e. ''Pokémon'', ''Mario'', ''Zelda'', ''Fire Emblem'', ''Animal Crossing'', ''Final Fantasy'', ''Xenoblade Chronicles'', ''Metroid'', and ''Street Fighter'' spirits), whereas base-game spirits were neatly grouped together along with other spirits of their respective series. If you divide the spirit pages by 250 or 500, there are going to be even more awkward breaks between series than what was originally presented. Since the 500 entries option has overwhelming support, here's what I propose that would each be around or under that number: entries 1-406 as the first page (ends right before base ''Pokémon'' which would otherwise push the first article over 500), entries 407-863 (ends at ''Animal Crossing'' and wraps up the bulk of series representation up until ''Brawl''), entries 864-1297 (''Nintendo 3DS'' to current fighters), and entries 1298-present (the randomly-assorted, messy post-release period). [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 13:20, March 17, 2022 (EDT)
You're going to have an "uneven" amount regardless of whether you count the original base-game (1297) or current post-release (1513) totals. Keep in mind that there's always the possibility of Nintendo commissioning a handful of more promotional spirits in the future. Another organizational kerfuffle is that the series representation is all over the place when you factor the post-release spirits (i.e. ''Pokémon'', ''Mario'', ''Zelda'', ''Fire Emblem'', ''Animal Crossing'', ''Final Fantasy'', ''Xenoblade Chronicles'', ''Metroid'', and ''Street Fighter'' spirits), whereas base-game spirits were neatly grouped together along with other spirits of their respective series. If you divide the spirit pages by 250 or 500, there are going to be even more awkward breaks between series than what was originally presented. Since the 500 entries option has overwhelming support, here's what I propose that would each be around or under that number: entries 1-406 as the first page (ends right before base ''Pokémon'' which would otherwise push the first article over 500), entries 407-863 (ends at ''Animal Crossing'' and wraps up the bulk of series representation up until ''Brawl''), entries 864-1297 (''Nintendo 3DS'' to current fighters), and entries 1298-present (the randomly-assorted, messy post-release period). [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 13:20, March 17, 2022 (EDT)
:Admittedly, my use of "uneven" was probably inaccurate, as I am fully aware that it is impossible for the lists to be truly even. My main issue with splitting it between base-game and post-release spirits is the fact that one page would still have over 1,000 entries, which I do not think would properly fix the length issue. However, I do understand the argument of related spirits being split up, so I would be willing to consider your proposal to fix that issue. --{{User:TheFlameChomp/sig}} 18:21, March 17, 2022 (EDT)
:Admittedly, my use of "uneven" was probably inaccurate, as I am fully aware that it is impossible for the lists to be truly even. My main issue with splitting it between base-game and post-release spirits is the fact that one page would still have over 1,000 entries, which I do not think would properly fix the length issue. However, I do understand the argument of related spirits being split up, so I would be willing to consider your proposal to fix that issue. --{{User:TheFlameChomp/sig}} 18:21, March 17, 2022 (EDT)
:This could definitely work as a follow-up proposal, the crux of which builds upon the outcome of the one at present. My proposal, more than anything, is orientative towards a general quantum of entries on a page. {{User:Koopa con Carne/Sig}} 15:49, March 18, 2022 (EDT)
:This could definitely work as a follow-up proposal, the crux of which builds upon the one at present. My proposal, more than anything, is orientative towards a general quantum. {{User:Koopa con Carne/Sig}} 15:49, March 18, 2022 (EDT)
 
== Reduce the list to only Mario-relevant spirits ==
 
Considering that the trophies list was cut down to just Mario-relevant trophies for each Smash game, do you think we should do the same for the spirits? [[Special:Contributions/104.28.79.136|104.28.79.136]]
:A point of contention is that the spirit fights, some of puppet fighters these .dds files represent include Mario characters (the Mole from Mole Mania using the green Mario puppet fighter for instance). We ''could'' restrict it to both spirits from the Mario series and the spirits whose fights use Mario and Mario-adjacent puppet fighters. {{User:Mario/sig}} 17:20, April 22, 2023 (EDT)
 
==New Spirits==
New Spirits were announced. They are Rauru, Deep Cut, Noah & Mio, and Oatchi.
[[User:OngoingTalent13|OngoingTalent13]] ([[User talk:OngoingTalent13|talk]]) 20:19, January 11, 2024 (EST)
Rauru is #1514, Deep Cut is #1515, Noah & Mio is #1516, and Oatchi is #1517.
[[User:OngoingTalent13|OngoingTalent13]] ([[User talk:OngoingTalent13|talk]]) 15:14, January 12, 2024 (EST)

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