Editing Talk:Spiny Cheep Cheep

==Split [[Spiny Fish]] from [[Spiny Cheep Cheep]]==

As said above, this enemy looks virtually nothing like a [[Spiny Cheep Cheep]]. Its official name is even different, and it implies that this enemy is different altogether from other [[Cheep Cheep]]s. While you could make a case with [[Flopsy Fish]] and [[Cheep Cheep]] being the same, at least Flopsy Fish has the appearance to back it up. Here, the enemy has virtually no resemblance to the subject's article. They probably even have different behaviors as well, as there is no mention of them chasing after Yoshi like how Spiny Cheep Cheeps do.

==Should this split have happened?==

"Spiny Fish" is indeed quite different-looking than Spiny Cheep-Cheep. But not as much different than Spiked Fun Guy in that game looks from how it should. And the "spiny Fish" is still far more similar than the pufferfish enemy from Super Mario Land 2. I think that if the Yoshi's Story one s split based off of differences such as that, then it should as well. Unless of course the Japanese name for "Spiny Fish" is one of those ambiguously-legit-or-not ones

Tail added. {{User|Doc von Schmeltwick}} 1:22, 8 June 2017 (CT)

==Include Every Derivative Togepuku in This Article, or Split Them All==

''Togepuku'' is Spiny Cheep Cheep's Japanese name, but it's applied to varying degrees on this wiki due to several redesigns. [[Talk:Spiny_Fish|There]] [[Talk:Harisenbon|are]] [[Talk:Spiny_Cheep_Cheep#Should_this_split_have_happened.3F|prior]] [[Talk:Porcupuffer#Super_Mario_Galaxy_-_Spiny_Cheep_Cheep_.2F_Balloonfish.3F|discussions]], but currently, this is as follows: the ''Super Mario Land 2: 6 Golden Coins'' Togepuku - a pufferfish with no English name - is [[Spiny_Cheep_Cheep#Super_Mario_Land_2:_6_Golden_Coins|included]] in the article; the ''Yoshi's Story'' Togepuku - a spiny fish with a basic swim cycle - has its [[Spiny Fish|own article]]; and the ''Super Mario Galaxy'' Togepuku - another pufferfish - is in [[Porcupuffer|another article]] thanks to Prima. This proposal aims to fix this inconsistent treatment in one of two approaches. The first option will simply keep all three contained in the Spiny Cheep Cheep article. The second option will keep all three apart in their own articles, resulting in the one from ''Super Mario Land 2: 6 Golden Coins'' known as "Togepuku" (with foreign tag) and the one from the ''Super Mario Galaxy'' games known as "Balloonfish" (its internal name) [[MarioWiki_talk:Naming#Make_an_exception_to_source_priority_for_articles_with_identical_names|per this proposal]]. The second option does not factor differences in ''Mario Pinball Land'', ''Yoshi Touch & Go'' and ''Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga + Bowser's Minions'', which I feel should be a follow-up discussion should it pass.

#{{User|Mister Wu}} While the German translation of the ''[[Encyclopedia Super Mario Bros.]]'' keeps the name of most enemies of ''[[Super Mario Land 2: 6 Golden Coins]]'' in Japanese, the name of this one is the same of the Porcupuffer in ''[[Super Mario Galaxy]]'': ''Stachel-Cheep'', which is the name of Spiny Cheep Cheeps in ''[[Super Mario Bros. 3]]'', distinguished from the Porcupuffer in ''[[Super Mario World]]'', ''Stachelfisch''. Plus, since the Japanese name of the Spiny Fish is still ''Togepuku'', I think we can include it as well, just like we did with [[Skeeter]]s in ''[[Super Mario Sunshine]]''.

#{{User|YoshiFlutterJump}} Per all.

#{{User|Doc von Schmeltwick}} I still hold my position regarding Japanese guide names from [[Talk:Morty Mole|previous]] [[Talk:Mega Mole|proposals]], so yes, I think all should be included.

===Option 2: Split ''Super Mario Land 2: 6 Golden Coins'' Togepuku a la ''Yoshi's Story'' Spiny Fish and Split ''Super Mario Galaxy'' Togepuku from Porcupuffer===

==Split Porcupinefish from the ''Super Mario World'' Television Series==

[[Spiny_Cheep_Cheep#Super_Mario_World_television_series|Porcupinefish]] from the ''Super Mario World'' television series is included in this article, but it doesn't appear to be a Spiny Cheep Cheep in any way, shape, or form. While the episode seemed to have holdovers from ''Super Mario Bros. 3'' (namely a place called Ice Land and a Fire Piranha Plant character), ''Super Mario World'' did not have Spiny Cheep Cheeps, and the ''Super Mario Bros. 3'' design of Spiny Cheep Cheep was the only thing to go off on at the time. It has the greatest similarity to an Urchin, but Urchins appeared in another episode with a different design (and are sea urchins, not porcupinefish). It could be a Porcupuffer, but Porcupuffers are supposed to be fairly large, whereas these guys are small enough to be unknowingly stepped on. Upon closer inspection, they have dorsal fins, which none of the three usually have. Additionally, touching their spikes results in the victim turning blue and being temporarily unable to move, and none of them have ever had a paralyzing effect. This proposal deals with the discrepancy in one of two ways: the first option treats this creature as a creation unique to the cartoon, and splits it off into its own article; the second option moves it to Porcupuffer, with which it shares a name similarity and is the likeliest of them.

===Split Porcupinefish===

#{{User|LinkTheLefty}} Per popsicle.

===Move to Porcupuffer===

===Leave as-is===

Can anyone show me what the cartoon ones look like? I can't find an image of them. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 15:21, 11 December 2017 (EST)