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:At this point, I would make the following suggestion: current information is sufficient to cancel the proposal and implement the changes, and if notable information surfaces at a later date, we can make a discussion then and determine if it is direct and unambiguous enough to undo the changes. It's almost certain that we won't get all of the needed info before the proposal ends. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 12:12, July 23, 2024 (EDT)
:At this point, I would make the following suggestion: current information is sufficient to cancel the proposal and implement the changes, and if notable information surfaces at a later date, we can make a discussion then and determine if it is direct and unambiguous enough to undo the changes. It's almost certain that we won't get all of the needed info before the proposal ends. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 12:12, July 23, 2024 (EDT)
:All fair points. I want to add a neutral point: prior to Needlous, Supaini was "replaced" in K64 with a near-equivalent, {{iw|wikirby|Punc}}. It looks basically like Supaini/Togezo but with the ''Mario'' influence filed off, making it look like you guys were describing them: a black orb with a spiked helmet, rather than a flattened black oval with a spiked turtle shell. It rolls by bending its helmet into pillbug-like segments and is much slower at rolling than Supaini was, but I'd find it odd they wouldn't just treat it as an appearance of Supaini/Togezo rather than a suspiciously similar enemy (in a game ''full'' of returning enemies, especially from KDL3) if they hadn't found some reason to stop using Supaini/Togezo. The only other similar case is {{iw|wikirby|Sosuke}} being replaced with {{iw|wikirby|Bumber}}, which has the excuse of Parasol no longer being a copy ability and thus wanting to distance from that, and I guess not wanting to model {{iw|wikirby|Blipper}}'s goggles and instead adding in the mildly similar {{iw|wikirby|Flopper}} as the main "fish" enemy... and I'm not going to entertain the notion that Ado and Adeleine are different characters, so I won't count that, nor will I count NZs replacing Waddle Dees since they were imagined as a singular character for that game. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 14:52, July 23, 2024 (EDT)
:All fair points. I want to add a neutral point: prior to Needlous, Supaini was "replaced" in K64 with a near-equivalent, {{iw|wikirby|Punc}}. It looks basically like Supaini/Togezo but with the ''Mario'' influence filed off, making it look like you guys were describing them: a black orb with a spiked helmet, rather than a flattened black oval with a spiked turtle shell. It rolls by bending its helmet into pillbug-like segments and is much slower at rolling than Supaini was, but I'd find it odd they wouldn't just treat it as an appearance of Supaini/Togezo rather than a suspiciously similar enemy (in a game ''full'' of returning enemies, especially from KDL3) if they hadn't found some reason to stop using Supaini/Togezo. The only other similar case is {{iw|wikirby|Sosuke}} being replaced with {{iw|wikirby|Bumber}}, which has the excuse of Parasol no longer being a copy ability and thus wanting to distance from that, and I guess not wanting to model {{iw|wikirby|Blipper}}'s goggles and instead adding in the mildly similar {{iw|wikirby|Flopper}} as the main "fish" enemy... and I'm not going to entertain the notion that Ado and Adeleine are different characters, so I won't count that, nor will I count NZs replacing Waddle Dees since they were imagined as a singular character for that game. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 14:52, July 23, 2024 (EDT)
So, apparently Kirby's Dream Land 3 actually has (another) reference to the Mario series with ''{{iw|wikirby|Hibanamodoki}}''. These characters greatly resemble the Mario series's Fire Flowers, and the name literally translated to "pseudo fire flower". Now, the interesting part is that Fire Flowers aren't normally called ''Hibana'' ("fire flower"), but ''Faia Furawā'', which is just the English words "Fire Flower". Now, I find this interesting, because 1. Dream Land 3's names are more often derived from Japanese than Adventure's and 2. the ''modoki'' ("pseudo") in the name implies that the ''Hibana'' ("fire flower") name is being used to refer directly to the Mario series Fire Flower, as otherwise they'd simply be called ''Hibana'' ("fire flower") without the ''modoki'' ("pseudo"). Sorry, I know I wrote that a bit confusingly, but the point is that this shows that the devs were willing to change the names of elements from the Mario series from Japanese in origin to English in origin or vice-versa, either to more closely match the style of names in the game in question, or, who knows, just for fun. Uh, does that make sense? [[User:Blinker|Blinker]] ([[User talk:Blinker|talk]]) 15:25, July 23, 2024 (EDT)

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