Editing Talk:Spinner

Are these really considered enemies? They seem more like mobile obstacles than a live creature, just like spikes or fireballs.--[[User:Spike|Spike]] 20:46, 19 October 2006 (EDT)

:I think we should make a new category for objects that are specifically made as traps. They are not really enemies as they are purely mechanical without any independent thought processes. Perhaps a Traps and Obstacles category. -- [[User: Son of Suns|Son of Suns]]

==Similar obstacle==
Isn't there an obsticale in DKCR in the cliffs that is like Ball'n'chains? Should we include it?--[[File:YoshiMP8a.PNG|35px]][[User:YoshiGo99|YoshiGo99]][[File:YoshiNSMBW.png|35px]] 21:55, 13 March 2011 (EDT)

==Not Alive==
WHY, do  they have a '''''Species Infobox'''''? THEY ARE '''MACHINES'''. [[User:Paperphailurethemariomonster99|Mustard of Doom. It's what's for dinner. BA-DUM-BUM.]]

:It's not just a species box a lot of objects have them {{User|Goomba's Shoe15}}

== Two questions. ==

First: The Ball 'n' Chain has a Japanese name?
Second: Where do you get the names of enemies? Is there some game that has the names or it's from other sources?--[[User:Deruffy|Deruffy]] 12:59, 5 May 2012 (EDT)

Pretty much all enemies have Japanese names, as the series is from Japan and few Mario games haven't been released there. Also, the names of enemies are usually found in other sources. {{User:Humbug/sig}}

==NSMBU Ball 'n' Chains, old or new==
{{TPP}}
I recently finnished ''[[New Super Luigi U]]'' and I noticed a very special thing about the Ball'n'Chains in that game. Not only are the spiked balls connected to a spiked arm instead of chains and move in pendulum-like manner but apperently both ''New Super Mario Bros. U'' and ''New Super Luigi U'' calls them '''Pendulums''' ([[Pendulum Castle]], [[Impossible Pendulums]]). So this obstacle might not only looks similar to the Ball'n'Chains but can actually be a completely new obstacle called '''Pendulums'''. If that´s the case we should make a new page about them, or what do you guys think.

'''Proposer''' {{User|Zuper Zaloster}}<br>
'''Deadline''' August 27, 2013, 23:59 GMT

===Support===
#{{User|Zuper Zaloster}} Per proposal.
#{{User|Goombob}} Per proposal.
#{{User|SuperYoshiBros}} Per proposal.
#{{User|Mario7}} Per proposal. Pendulums are different (the chain will hurt you, while Ball'n'Chains will only hurt you if you hitthe ball), so there is no reason why there should not be a separate article.

===Oppose===
#{{User|Sonic98}}: This proposal does not make sense, we are talking of the same object, the appearance is identical. Based on this proposal should create separate pages for each color of the Koopa Troopa, and the like, so then if we think that we should create separate pages for each of the ScareScraper ghost prcedente reversing a proposal. I am against and I sincerely hope that this proposal is not accepted.
#{{User|Gonzales Kart Inc.}} The wiki does not make articles about the same thing under a different name.
#{{User|Yoshi876}} Per Sonic98
#{{User|Icemario}} As stated in the comments, they're not directly referred to as pendulums and that alone convinces me this proposal is not a good idea.
#{{User|Iggy Koopa Jr}} The "Pendulum refers to the movement of the B&C, but that may not be its name.

===Coments===
Aside from the level names, does ''New Super Luigi U'' directly refer to these as pendulums? <br>{{User:LeftyGreenMario/sig}} 13:03, 13 August 2013 (EDT)
:No, and besides, ''Pendulum Castle'' is a ''New Super Mario Bros. U'' level, so both games refer to them as pendulums. {{User|Zuper Zaloster}} 20:37, 13 August 2013
::Hm, I'm convinced. Still, are there any Ball 'n' Chains from the previous games that act like pendulums? <br>{{User:LeftyGreenMario/sig}} 18:25, 13 August 2013 (EDT)
:::Indeed they have (in ''[[Super Princess Peach]]'' and ''[[Super Mario 3D Land]]'') but they still was clearly connected to chains. {{User|Zuper Zaloster}}
Name is "Spinner". [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImWiaM58zFM] {{user:YoshiCookie/sig}}

I explained what sense does it make voting to create different pages for each name the same enemy? It would make more sense to create separate pages for each of the boss ScareScraper that at least queli are different.--[[User:Sonic98|Sonic98]] ([[User talk:Sonic98|talk]]) 07:22, 16 August 2013 (EDT)
:Hold on, it´s not yet decided if we are gonna make a new page or not. Even if it might be a new enemy it´s still somewhat similar to the Ball 'n' Chains (it looks different from the normal Ball 'n' Chains but it might just be a redesign). Still, the spiked ball looks like it´s hold up by spiked cylinders, but Ball 'n' Chains have moved in a pendulum like manner. As with the ScareScraper ghosts the only one who might get a new page is The Brain, otherwise the pages about them needs more pictures. {{User|Zuper Zaloster}}

::I'd like to see an additional source of the name "Pendelum", asides from the level names. These can sometimes be misleading, as for all we know the levels could have simply been named that to give a short, catchy title, and not necessarily officially name something.

::{{User:YoshiKong/sig}} 03:25, 20 August 2013 (EDT)

:::Well, the IGN Star Coin Guide call them Pendulums as well as a couple of other star coin guides I found. [http://www.supercheats.com/new-super-mario-bros-u/walkthrough/superstar-road] [http://mariopartylegacy.com/newsuperluigiu/guides/starcoins/world9] I mainly used Google to find them. {{User|Zuper Zaloster}}

::::and what official source affirms that they are different enemies?--[[User:Sonic98|Sonic98]] ([[User talk:Sonic98|talk]]) 15:21, 21 August 2013 (EDT)
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-Are these really considered enemies? They seem more like mobile obstacles than a live creature, just like spikes or fireballs.--[[User:Knife|Spike]] 20:46, 19 October 2006 (EDT)
+Are these really considered enemies? They seem more like mobile obstacles than a live creature, just like spikes or fireballs.--[[User:Spike|Spike]] 20:46, 19 October 2006 (EDT)
 :I think we should make a new category for objects that are specifically made as traps. They are not really enemies as they are purely mechanical without any independent thought processes. Perhaps a Traps and Obstacles category. -- [[User: Son of Suns|Son of Suns]]
 ==Similar obstacle==
-Isn't there an obsticale in DKCR in the cliffs that is like Ball'n'chains? Should we include it?--[[File:YoshiMP8Artwork.png|35px]][[User:YoshiGo99|YoshiGo99]][[File:YoshiNSMBW.png|35px]] 21:55, 13 March 2011 (EDT)
+Isn't there an obsticale in DKCR in the cliffs that is like Ball'n'chains? Should we include it?--[[File:YoshiMP8a.PNG|35px]][[User:YoshiGo99|YoshiGo99]][[File:YoshiNSMBW.png|35px]] 21:55, 13 March 2011 (EDT)
 ==Not Alive==
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 ==NSMBU Ball 'n' Chains, old or new==
-{{Settled TPP}}
+{{TPP}}
-{{Proposal outcome|red|DON'T CREATE PAGE 4-5}}
 I recently finnished ''[[New Super Luigi U]]'' and I noticed a very special thing about the Ball'n'Chains in that game. Not only are the spiked balls connected to a spiked arm instead of chains and move in pendulum-like manner but apperently both ''New Super Mario Bros. U'' and ''New Super Luigi U'' calls them '''Pendulums''' ([[Pendulum Castle]], [[Impossible Pendulums]]). So this obstacle might not only looks similar to the Ball'n'Chains but can actually be a completely new obstacle called '''Pendulums'''. If that´s the case we should make a new page about them, or what do you guys think.
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 #{{User|Gonzales Kart Inc.}} The wiki does not make articles about the same thing under a different name.
 #{{User|Yoshi876}} Per Sonic98
-#{{User|Icemario11}} As stated in the comments, they're not directly referred to as pendulums and that alone convinces me this proposal is not a good idea.
+#{{User|Icemario}} As stated in the comments, they're not directly referred to as pendulums and that alone convinces me this proposal is not a good idea.
 #{{User|Iggy Koopa Jr}} The "Pendulum refers to the movement of the B&C, but that may not be its name.
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 ::::and what official source affirms that they are different enemies?--[[User:Sonic98|Sonic98]] ([[User talk:Sonic98|talk]]) 15:21, 21 August 2013 (EDT)
-==Are pendulums new enemies or not?==
-I still think it's a new obstacle, cause it dosen´t look like Ball 'n' Chains usualy does. I noticed someone closed my poll earlier (it was intended to end at September 21st) so I'm not gonna make a new one and instead request anyone to find an official source if the "pendulum" is a new obstacle or not (because Ball 'n' Chains have move like this before). I already noted the level names in New Super Mario Bros. U and New Super Luigi U and IGN (I also checked GameXplain's youtube video of Pendulum Castle but they didn't even mention them by any name).{{unsigned|Zuper Zaloster}}
-:I don't know, and I can't decide if it's a new enemy, much less, an officially named. I'd assume that it's a slightly different-looking Ball 'n' Chain with a pendulum-like movement. <br>{{User:LeftyGreenMario/sig}} 17:46, 30 August 2013 (EDT)
-==Do they make only 1 appearance in New Super Mario Bros U? ==
-I saw the video in Snake  Block Tower. There are many Ball 'n' Chains! Only one appearance? --[[User:Mario091|Mario091]] ([[User talk:Mario091|talk]]) 07:29, 11 September 2014 (EDT)
-:Mario091 said:
-I saw the video in Snake  Block Tower. There are many Ball 'n' Chains! Only one appearance?
-Nope, sorry. They also appear in Super star road --[[User:Mario091|Mario091]] ([[User talk:Mario091|talk]]) 23:20, 2 October 2014 (EDT)
-== Hyrule Warriors crossover ==
-The [[Chain Chomp]], is used as a Ball and Chain in Hyrule Warriors after it's unlocked. Would we include it here saying something like "A Chain Chomp also appears as a Gauntlets variant, allowing [[Link]] to swing the Chomp as a Ball and Chain weapon."? ([[User:Alex95|Alex95]] ([[User talk:Alex95|talk]]) 18:03, 30 August 2015 (EDT))
-:I think this is irrelevant to Ball 'n' Chain, and the Chain Chomp article already makes mention of it. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 14:49, 31 August 2015 (EDT)
-== SM3DL ==
-Should this one be split per Doc von Schmeltwick's edits? Also, what about the Super Princess Peach ones we don't even know what they are? --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 09:41, August 2, 2020 (EDT)
-:They have a different name and different functionality, so we could do. {{User:Keyblade Master/sig}}
-::These ones are named, but not the Super Princess Peach ones. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 14:55, August 2, 2020 (EDT)
-:::Honestly, I think these are all the same object that evolved over time. The originals fully-rotate and have "pass-through" chains. Somewhere along the way, they flipped with half-rotation/pendulum-motion and spiked chains/bar. The ''Yoshi's Woolly World'' appearance, for instance, combines the ''New Super Mario Bros. U'' aesthetic with its ''Yoshi's New Island'' behavior. ''Super Mario 3D Land'' ones are pendulum-style with "pass-through" chains, similar to ''Super Princess Peach'', but with a more typical appearance besides maybe its coloring. The Japanese title of Spiked Ball Scramble in ''Mario Party 10'' uses a name incredibly similar to the Japanese name of the ''Super Mario 3D Land'' design, even though that appearance is based on the ''New Super Mario Bros. U'' version. Really, the only one I'm not sure about at the moment is the ''Yoshi's Story'' appearance, in which I'm pretty sure the chains are merely impassable rather than outright harmful or harmless, but like Tekkyū Dosun, there doesn't look like a better place to cover it. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 11:59, December 30, 2021 (EST)