Editing Talk:Spiky Tom and Spiky John

==Merge Spiky John and Spiky Tom into one article?==
These two identical characters are only seen once in the game, sharing a scene with the same basic role. We have plenty of articles for duos shown in similar capacity that do not split the members of them ([[Cork and Cask]], the [[Jellyfish Sisters]], and [[Gramma Red and Gramma Green]] come to mind, and heck, the [[Koopa Bros.]] have more distinguishing characteristics and scenes from each other in the same game and ''they'' aren't split), so I see no reason for these to be split from each other - I think the articles should be merged to become "Spiky John and Spiky Tom." [[Mr. Hammer]] has the excuse of being a different species and having a slightly different role (asking the questions instead of answering them, as well as giving the rewards), so he can stay split. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 16:06, December 20, 2024 (EST)
:I would agree to a merge.{{User:LadySophie17/sig}} 08:57, December 21, 2024 (EST)
::Same here. [[User:Technetium|Technetium]] ([[User talk:Technetium|talk]]) 08:08, December 30, 2024 (EST)
:::definitely! {{User:EvieMaybe/sig}} 09:27, December 30, 2024 (EST)

==Merge with Spiky Tom==
{{TPP}}
Per the above discussion. These are two characters with identical roles, identical appearances, names clearly meant to go together, who never appear apart from eachother. [https://youtu.be/rS-w96HzJrg?t=115 Here] is their entire appearance in the game, for those lacking context.

'''Proposer''': {{User|EvieMaybe}}<br>
'''Deadline''': January 26, 2025, 23:59 GMT

====Merge====
#{{User|EvieMaybe|Spiky EvieMaybe}} Per spiky proposal.
#{{User|ThePowerPlayer}} If [[Kat & Ana]] are merged, then these guys should be, too.
#{{User|Technetium}} Per all.
#{{User|LadySophie17}} Per myself 3 weeks ago.
#{{user|Doc von Schmeltwick}} - Considering the talk topic above was getting so much support, I'm not sure if this even needs a proposal.
#{{User|Sparks}} Per all.
#{{User|Rykitu}} Per ThePowerPlayer.

====Don't merge====

====Spiky Comments====
Would the merged page be called "Spiky John and Spiky Tom" or "Spiky Tom and Spiky John"? I assume the former since it's in alphabetical order but not sure if there's anything in-game that could indicate a preferred order (who shows up first, dialogue, etc). [[User:Technetium|Technetium]] ([[User talk:Technetium|talk]]) 21:52, January 11, 2025 (EST)
:i don't know if we have a standard for it, but i will point out Tom stands to the left and John to the right, so if you wanted to base it off of that it'd be {{fake link|Spiky Tom and Spiky John}}. Tom also has the most prominent role out of the two, being the one who carries Peach off. {{User:EvieMaybe/sig}} 22:24, January 11, 2025 (EST)

@Doc von Schmeltwick: It does need a proposal to [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/57#Merge Spiky John with Spiky Tom (or place both under Koopatrol)|overturn a previous one]]. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 07:28, January 12, 2025 (EST)
:That old proposal got so much opposition that I’d like to hear some of their thoughts on this one now. {{User:LadySophie17/sig}} 07:52, January 12, 2025 (EST)
::Well, my argument was mainly the existence of [[Goomba (Super Paper Mario character)]], but that [[Talk:Goomba (Super Paper Mario character)#Delete.|doesn't hold up anymore]]. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 07:58, January 12, 2025 (EST)

Checking the history, this is another one of those pages from the early days of the wiki that didn't get noticed until now. [[User:PrincessPeachFan|PrincessPeachFan]] ([[User talk:PrincessPeachFan|talk]]) 08:18, January 12, 2025 (EST)
:[[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/57#Merge Spiky John with Spiky Tom (or place both under Koopatrol)|Not really]]. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 11:10, January 12, 2025 (EST)
Fair enough, but how come they weren't merged in the first place? [[User:PrincessPeachFan|PrincessPeachFan]] ([[User talk:PrincessPeachFan|talk]]) 13:00, January 13, 2025 (EST)
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 ==Merge with Spiky Tom==
-{{settled TPP}}
+{{TPP}}
-{{proposal outcome|passed|11-0|merge}}
 Per the above discussion. These are two characters with identical roles, identical appearances, names clearly meant to go together, who never appear apart from eachother. [https://youtu.be/rS-w96HzJrg?t=115 Here] is their entire appearance in the game, for those lacking context.
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 #{{User|Sparks}} Per all.
 #{{User|Rykitu}} Per ThePowerPlayer.
-#{{User|Pizza Master}} Per all.
-#{{User|TheFlameChomp}} The discussion above shows good examples of other character pairs from the RPGs that already receive this treatment, which convinced me to change my position from the previous proposal.
-#{{User|Camwoodstock}} Per all, and how we usually handle these sorts of duos in articles.
-#{{User|SComic}} Per all.
 ====Don't merge====
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 Checking the history, this is another one of those pages from the early days of the wiki that didn't get noticed until now. [[User:PrincessPeachFan|PrincessPeachFan]] ([[User talk:PrincessPeachFan|talk]]) 08:18, January 12, 2025 (EST)
 :[[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/57#Merge Spiky John with Spiky Tom (or place both under Koopatrol)|Not really]]. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 11:10, January 12, 2025 (EST)
-Fair enough, but how come they weren't merged in the first place in terms of the opposing votes? [[User:PrincessPeachFan|PrincessPeachFan]] ([[User talk:PrincessPeachFan|talk]]) 13:01, January 13, 2025 (EST)
+Fair enough, but how come they weren't merged in the first place? [[User:PrincessPeachFan|PrincessPeachFan]] ([[User talk:PrincessPeachFan|talk]]) 13:00, January 13, 2025 (EST)
-:Reminder you should use multiple " : " to indent your comments on talk pages when you are replying to a comment above you. It makes the discussion much much easier to follow! {{User:LadySophie17/sig}} 16:22, January 15, 2025 (EST)
-:The original proposal brought up a bunch of irrelevant ''WarioWare'' duos (ironically, half of which ''are'' split now due to character divergence) rather than comparable situations in the RPGs, which probably didn't help its chances. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 00:33, January 16, 2025 (EST)