Editing Talk:Snow Cheep Cheep

==Name==
From where does the name Snow Cheep Cheep come from? In the capture list it's as stated called Cheep Cheep (Snow Kingdom) so why is it Snow Cheep Cheep? --[[User:Raltseye|<span style="color:#FF6464">R</span><span style="color:#11BB11">alts</span><span style="color:#6464FF">eye</span>]] [[User talk:Raltseye|prata med mej]] 06:10, 4 December 2017 (EST)
:The name "Snow Cheep Cheep" comes from the Snow Kingdom Power Moon, "I Met a Snow Cheep Cheep". --{{User:TheFlameChomp/sig}} 06:43, 4 December 2017 (EST)
::Okay thanks! --[[User:Raltseye|<span style="color:#FF6464">R</span><span style="color:#11BB11">alts</span><span style="color:#6464FF">eye</span>]] [[User talk:Raltseye|prata med mej]] 10:03, 4 December 2017 (EST)
:::It's not that simple, though. If you check out the name of [[List_of_Power_Moon_names_in_other_languages#Snow_Kingdom|I Met a Snow Cheep Cheep!]] in other languages, most of them refer to it as a Cheep Cheep in the snow or some variant thereof (in Japanese, the Snow Kingdom's Cheep Cheep). It's also a counterpart to the [[List_of_Power_Moon_names_in_other_languages#Lake_Kingdom|I Met a Lake Cheep Cheep!]] mission, and we're not calling the regular red Cheep Cheeps "Lake Cheep Cheeps" anytime soon. As unusual as "Cheep Cheep (Snow Kingdom)" is as labeled in the Capture List, it's clearly the intentional name, whereas Snow Cheep Cheep seems to be incidental. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 09:04, 8 December 2017 (EST)
::::If that's the case, I definately think we should rename it to Cheep Cheep (Snow Kingdom). --[[User:Raltseye|<span style="color:#FF6464">R</span><span style="color:#11BB11">alts</span><span style="color:#6464FF">eye</span>]] [[User talk:Raltseye|prata med mej]] 06:36, 9 December 2017 (EST)
:::::Snow Cheep Cheep seems to mean "Cheep Cheep of the snow," so it's basically an identifier from official wording, ie works just as well as Cheep Cheep (Snow Kingdom) would. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 08:04, 9 December 2017 (EST)
::::::It's inconsistent to use Snow Cheep Cheep when Lake Cheep Cheep also exists in a corresponding mission title, especially when we're well aware that they're both likely to be a minor translation mistake instead of a deliberate name. "Cheep Cheep (Snow Kingdom)" is just more readily visible to players as well. We didn't make up the identifier - it's consistently there in almost every language in the Capture List. Think Broode's Chain Chomp being the proper name of Chain Chompikins from the same game. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 08:56, 17 December 2017 (EST)
:::::::If they're referred to as "Cheep Cheep (Snow Kingdom)", wouldn't that imply they're just regular Cheep Cheeps that happen to live in that kingdom? Is there any difference between the lake and snow Cheep Cheeps besides colour anyways? [[User:Blinker|Blinker]] ([[User talk:Blinker|talk]]) 14:35, September 13, 2021 (EDT)
::::::::They're resistant to [[freezing water]]. That's it, really. Since it's pretty much just a color variant, I wouldn't be opposed to a merge. {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 18:50, September 13, 2021 (EDT)

==Merge to [[Cheep Cheep]]==
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{{ProposalOutcome|passed|8-4-0|merge}}
Per everything above. This is just a Zigzag Lava Bubble situation with extra steps. The name comes from the power moon mission, it's only from the English version of the power moon mission(The other languages either say Cheep Cheep in the snow or just Cheep Cheep), and it's only functional difference ties to the kingdom it's in. There isn't much reason for keeping it split that I can think of given the fact that the game also calls the regular cheep cheep a "Lake Cheep Cheep" in a [https://www.mariowiki.com/List_of_Power_Moons_in_the_Lake_Kingdom#I_Met_a_Lake_Cheep_Cheep! similar mission], and it's not like we have an article for that Cheep Cheep.

''But it's purple, not red!''

[[Cheep Chomp | That's not]] [[Spiny Cheep Cheep | a unique]] [https://www.mariowiki.com/Cheep_Cheep#Mario_&_Luigi:_Superstar_Saga_/_Mario_&_Luigi:_Superstar_Saga_+_Bowser's_Minions color for] [[Sushie | Cheep Cheeps.]]

EDIT: adding a move to Cheep Cheep(Snow Kingdom) option. Given that Cheep Cheep(Snow Kingdom) is more consistent across all the languages and closer to the name used everywhere else, we should at least move this article there if we’re not merging it.

'''Proposer''': {{User|Somethingone}}<br>
'''Deadline''': September 30, 2021, 23:59 GMT

===Merge===
#{{User|Somethingone}} Per proposal.
#{{user|7feetunder}} Per proposal.
#{{User|Ray Trace}} There's also the green Cheep Cheeps from Yoshi's New Island so yeah, merge.
#{{User|WildWario}} Per all.
#{{User|Doc von Schmeltwick}} Might as well make a page for Lake Cheep Cheep. Per proposal.
#{{User|Swallow}} This is clearly a functionally identical color variant.
#{{User|Niiue}} Per all.
#{{User|Blinker}} Per all.

===Move===
#{{User|Somethingone}} Per proposal.
#{{User|Seandwalsh}} Changed stance as of this option now being available in the proposal.
#{{User|Hewer}} Per Seandwalsh and my original vote for why I don't want to merge.
#{{User|LadySophie17}} Per Seandwalsh and Hewer.

===Do Nothing===
<s>{{User|Hewer}} The fact that this is separated in the capture list means that it's officially considered a separate thing. We don't have a separate page for Lake Cheep Cheep, but that's only because it's just the normal Cheep Cheep, as identified everywhere else in the game (including the capture list) where it isn't just generically called a 'fish', so the name 'Lake Cheep Cheep' was probably only used to differentiate it from the Snow Cheep Cheeps. Also, three of the four purple Cheep Cheeps you linked to are separate from Cheep Cheep anyway, so I don't see your point there.</s> {{br}}
<s>#{{User|Seandwalsh}} As well as what Hewer said, the other purple Cheep Cheeps mentionined are separate Cheep Cheep species. It also serves a different function in gameplay, being resistant to the cold waters. Unless there's also going to be a merger of Eep Cheeps and Deep Cheeps I don't see why this one should. The Bonnetor Biologist from the power moon mission also points out that it has a "natural cold sink" and calls it a "freezing fishy mystery". Regardless, if the page stays separate it should be moved to "Cheep Cheep (Snow Kingdom)", as that ''is'' what it's called on the capture list.</s>

===Comments===
@Hewer the game also lists the puzzle and picture pieces from the 2 different kingdoms as separate, yet we have them merged. As for the color, my point is that purple is not a unique cheep cheep color for it to have. The fact that other cheep cheeps were purple, that the game only calls it a snow cheep cheep in 1 version and that it’s functionally identical is why this proposal was made in the first place. Also, the fact that the name for the Snow Cheep Cheep in the capture list is Cheep Cheep(Snow Kingdom) implies that it's a cheep cheep living in the snow kingdom, not a cheep cheep variant or sub-species of a cheep cheep. [[User:Somethingone|Somethingone]] ([[User talk:Somethingone|talk]]) 09:18, September 17, 2021 (EDT)
:By definition, it is a variant of the Cheep Cheep (different spot in the capture list, different appearance, and mechanically different, but still based on the Cheep Cheep). Its bad name doesn't change that, nor does its mechanical difference being tied to its kingdom (which doesn't make it any less a difference). {{User:Hewer/sig}} 11:05, September 17, 2021 (EDT)

@Seaandwalsh Deep Cheeps and Eep Cheeps are officially named across all languages and have functional differences that don't tie to the area/game they're in. This cheep cheep was only named in the English version with the other versions either being  "Cheep Cheep in the snow" or just "Cheep Cheep". As for the icy water, again, that functional difference ties to the area it's in. If they put cheep cheeps in the lost kingdom, they would have to make them poison resistant as the only liquid in that kingdom is poisonous. The bonetter biologist also said it stays warm because of its round body and mouth, something normal cheep cheeps already have. [[User:Somethingone|Somethingone]] ([[User talk:Somethingone|talk]]) 09:45, September 17, 2021 (EDT)
:Snow Cheep Cheeps are also named actoss all languages, and the distinguishing element of their names  is present in the Japanese version - its not like it was invented by the English localisers, though the differentiator was dropped in a few other localisations. If they put Cheep Cheeps in the Lost Kingdom they'd probably make them pink and call them Cheep Cheeps (Lost Kingdom), and they'd also deserve a page of their own in my opinion. The Bonneter biologist notes the round body and mouth of the Snow Cheep Cheep, but at no point does he say they're what keeps it warm. --[[User:Seandwalsh|Seandwalsh]] ([[User talk:Seandwalsh|talk]]) 12:11, September 17, 2021 (EDT)

Snow Cheep Cheeps having their own spot in the capture list means precisely jack squat. We don't split the [[Puzzle Part]]s; we don't split the [[Picture Match]] Parts. We also don't split [[Talk:Purple Klaptrap|Purple Klaptraps]] anymore, despite being just as different from regular Klaptraps as Snow Cheep Cheeps are from Cheep Cheeps (and the gray [[Krusha]]s from [[Platform Perils]] were ''never'' split). The capture list doesn't even give them a unique name, just an identifier. On that note, I fail to see how ''moving'' to the identifier name is supposed to justify the article's existence. To me, that would justify it ''less''. {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 18:40, September 17, 2021 (EDT)

Another thing worth noting: [https://web.archive.org/web/20210331034027mp_/https://www.nintendo.co.jp/character/mario/characters/odyssey/index.html Mario Portal] lists them in the same box, giving them even less distinction than the color variants they'll give a separate box with a parenthesized identifier to. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 04:46, September 30, 2021 (EDT)