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==Did this need splitting?==
They're obviously intended to be the same thing as the [[Bird (species)|Birds]] from Super Mario World, they even look the same...and they were covered there just fine as well. Howsabout we merge this? {{User|Doc von Schmeltwick}} 16:50, 23 July 2017

We have an article for generic butterflies, despite their differences in behavior. The ones in Super Mario Sunshine don't ''need'' their own page, and neither do the ones in 3D Land.This also got rid of the coverage of other ambient birds in the series, as well as  removing reference to the ones in Mario is Missing, which actually do things. This was unnecessary and somewhat appalling. {{User|Doc von Schmeltwick}} 16:54, 23 July 2017
:Well, these birds always have the same appearance in the various games they are featured in, two of which are spin-off titles, not games directly derived from ''Super Mario 3D'' games. I think that this alone makes them notable enough. To further show their importance, [https://youtu.be/ds7HukYR_2g?t=43 these same birds are going to be featured in ''Mario + Rabbids Kingdom Battle''], a crossover game. Also, the birds of ''Super Mario Sunshine'' are involved in the gameplay, so I don't really see why they don't deserve their own page. <s>If you want to create a page for the other ambient birds, feel free to create it, but</s> in my opinion these little white birds are just too relevant not to deserve their own page.--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 18:56, 23 July 2017 (EDT)
::No, they're not "obviously intended" to be the same thing as the birds from Super Mario World (and I don't even know where you got "they even look the same", they don't have the same color and structure, at best, they're both passerine-like birds, but that's pretty much it). In Super Mario World, the birds have sparrow-like designs and have their colors based on the colored Yoshis. In Super Mario 3D Land, they are white, designed after tists, and have crests and do not draw any parallel to the appearance of the birds on the roof of Super Mario World. And as Mister Wu said, if the ambient animals have a gameplay function, they deserve their own page, and the birds and butterflies in Super Mario Sunshine etc do have a gameplay function different from their real world counterpart and thus deserve a page.

::I've gave this specific bird a page mostly because of its extremely specific design for an ambient object and its gameplay role in Mario Sports Superstars. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 19:02, 23 July 2017 (EDT)
:::To add to this, these birds even have an entry in the objects section of ''Super Mario 3D Land'' in the ''Encyclopedia Super Mario Bros.'', on page 185:
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:::小鳥
:::コースにいてマリオが近づくと飛び立つ。
:::
:::This also gives them an official Japanese name, by the way. Anyway, regardless of whether this last aspect is notable for this wiki or not, their relevance reaching the point of affecting the gameplay of ''Mario Sports Superstars'' already makes them worth a page. Regarding the other birds, after a discussion we had we reached the consensus that it's probably better at this point to concentrate our efforts on the most relevant ones, such as the ones that affect the gameplay.--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 20:06, 23 July 2017 (EDT)

==Moving to "Little Bird"==
This wasn't discussed. Just saying. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 22:10, 20 October 2017 (EDT)

== BJAODN ==

dude, when I saw 1996 on the year on the first revision, It should be in BJAODN.{{unsigned|Astro-Lanceur}}
:That makes no sense. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 20:07, 27 November 2017 (EST)
::It was me forgetting to change the date on Super Mario 3D Land on the infobox from a copy-pasta. It originally said 1996. Considering how quickly the mistake was fixed, I don't think it deserves to be on BJAODN. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 21:30, 27 November 2017 (EST)
:::Oh. Yeah, no, probably not. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 22:03, 27 November 2017 (EST)

== "Little Bird" ==
In the one source we have for the name, The Cat Mario Show, "little bird" is clearly a descriptor and not meant to be a proper name. They're likely called "little birds" in the first place to distinguish them from other birds in the game, like [[Flaptor]] and [[Wingo]]. It's even shortened to just a generic "bird" after being introduced. {{User:Scrooge200/sig}} 19:57, May 23, 2019 (EDT)
:Even if we are going to keep the “little” part of the name, it’s still spelled “little bird,” not “Little Bird.” The capitalization should be changed. {{User:Scrooge200/sig}} 18:27, August 19, 2019 (EDT)
:I have always been confused about them being called "Little Birds" and thought "Birds" would make more sense. I didn't notice our sources for that until now. Since both sources refer to them as "little birds", we should keep their name, because it currently appears to be official. However, "little" is not capitalized in either source, so I do agree about changing the capitalization. {{User:Obsessive Mario Fan/sig}} 18:47, August 19, 2019 (EDT)
::As surprising as it sounds, ''little'' is part of the Japanese name as well, hence this consistency in using the adjective might not be a coincidence. In any case, both in Japanese and in English those birds don't have a proper name, so I agree with changing the capitalization to match that used in the official Twitter account. [[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 19:57, August 19, 2019 (EDT)

== Rename to "small bird" ==

{{TPP}}
Our friends here are consistently referred to as "small birds" in ''[[The Art of Super Mario Odyssey]]'' (pages 69 142, 249). Because this text is a direct translation of a Japanese book and it is equally as justifiable to translate [[Little bird#Names in other languages|their Japanese name]] as "little bird", I thought this could have just been a preference of the translators. However, I recently noticed that these birds are explicitly named in ''Super Mario Odyssey'', in the mission "[[List of Power Moons in Bowser's Kingdom#Small Bird in Bowser's Castle|Small Bird in Bowser's Castle]]".

In all other missions that involve striking a bird for a Power Moon, the general term "bird" is used, but this sometimes includes avifauna that are clearly not the same thing as the little birds - namely hawks, seagulls, doves, pigeons, penguins and the small UFOs. They have different body shapes, and are not recognized as "small birds" in ''The Art of Super Mario Odyssey''. So I think "bird" is the overarching term for all of these animal characters. But "''small'' bird"? That's specific to the subject of this article, and I believe it is the current, preferred English name.

I offer two options:

#'''Rename the article to "small bird".'''
#'''Leave it as is.'''

'''Proposer''': {{User|Nintendo101}}<br/>
'''Deadline''': April 18th, 2024, 23:59 GMT

===Rename article to "small bird"===
#{{User|JanMisali}} Per proposal; in-game names take priority over other names.

===Leave it as is===

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