Editing Talk:Sliding haymaker

==Sliding Haymaker==

In game it is called the Sliding Haymaker shouldn’t it be called that? [[User:HEROMARIO|&#91;-&#93;€40 分@4¡0]] ([[User talk:HEROMARIO|talk]]) 14:51, April 6, 2019 (EDT)
:"(called sliding haymaker by a Save Block)" It's already on the page. Sliding punch is used more commonly. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 14:56, April 6, 2019 (EDT)

But it just dosen’t make sense to use a non in-game name when there is one. Also I just beat the game and everywhere I checked it was called The Sliding Haymaker. I just don’t get it... [[User:HEROMARIO|&#91;-&#93;€40 分@4¡0]] ([[User talk:HEROMARIO|talk]]) 18:37, April 6, 2019 (EDT)

:::Where did you get that name anyway? [[User:HEROMARIO|&#91;-&#93;€40 分@4¡0]] ([[User talk:HEROMARIO|talk]]) 17:43, April 8, 2019 (EDT)
::::From the Prima guide. {{User:TheDarkStar/sig}} 17:51, April 8, 2019 (EDT)
:::::FROM THERE! Oh that makes things more difficult should we go by The offical  Nintendo name or the Prima guide name... Maybe I should make a propulsal? [[User:HEROMARIO|&#91;-&#93;€40 分@4¡0]] ([[User talk:HEROMARIO|talk]]) 18:00, April 8, 2019 (EDT)
::::::I really think I remember both being used in the original. In fact, I think I only recall seeing the "haymaker" thing by a save description, and noticing that because of how odd a name it seemed at the time. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 18:01, April 8, 2019 (EDT)
:::::::Let me check my copy of the remake on my 3ds real quick. [[User:HEROMARIO|&#91;-&#93;€40 分@4¡0]] ([[User talk:HEROMARIO|talk]]) 18:02, April 8, 2019 (EDT)

I can't look through the entire game anymore, but anyone know of a script dump we could look through? Google turns up nothing. (Also, a Save Block description is still in game.) {{User:Alex95/sig}} 18:03, April 8, 2019 (EDT)
:Yeah, I'm pretty sure in dialog it was called a sliding punch. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 18:04, April 8, 2019 (EDT)

::Manuel says this
*Bowser’s Actions
*{{button|X}} Punch/Sliding Haymaker
*Press {{button|X}} to break rocks 
*and other such obstacles
*with a punch. To perform
*a powerful Sliding
*Haymaker, press {{button|X}} while
*moving with {{button|3ds|stick}}
*Note: This is exactly how it says word for word line for line!!! [[User:HEROMARIO|&#91;-&#93;€40 分@4¡0]] ([[User talk:HEROMARIO|talk]]) 18:08, April 8, 2019 (EDT)
:::The original manual has "Sliding Punch" on page 22. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 18:11, April 8, 2019 (EDT)
::::Why not say this... called <b>Sliding Haymaker</b> in the remake? [[User:HEROMARIO|&#91;-&#93;€40 分@4¡0]] ([[User talk:HEROMARIO|talk]]) 18:13, April 8, 2019 (EDT)
:::::It was called that in a save block in the original, though, it's just that everywhere else called it a Sliding Punch. What about the in-game dialog for the remake? [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 18:14, April 8, 2019 (EDT)
::::::In my game it said that bowser just learned the Sliding Haymaker! By guess what! A save block! [[User:HEROMARIO|&#91;-&#93;€40 分@4¡0]] ([[User talk:HEROMARIO|talk]]) 18:15, April 8, 2019 (EDT)
:::::::That's what the original said. What did ''dialog'' say? What did Bowser and Starlow call it while talking? [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 18:16, April 8, 2019 (EDT)
::::::::Let me check I have my remake right next to me! [[User:HEROMARIO|&#91;-&#93;€40 分@4¡0]] ([[User talk:HEROMARIO|talk]]) 18:16, April 8, 2019 (EDT)
:::::::::In the guide section of the Star Menu it says Sliding Haymaker! [[User:HEROMARIO|&#91;-&#93;€40 分@4¡0]] ([[User talk:HEROMARIO|talk]]) 18:18, April 8, 2019 (EDT)
::::::::::And from what I remember they called it the Sliding Haymaker! [[User:HEROMARIO|&#91;-&#93;€40 分@4¡0]] ([[User talk:HEROMARIO|talk]]) 18:18, April 8, 2019 (EDT)
:::::::::::And I remember them saying punch in the original. I'd like some verification that dialog changed. Youtube video would be nice. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 18:19, April 8, 2019 (EDT)
::::::::::::I have a text copy on Word, and they call it '''punch(es)(ing) while moving''' when it is available. {{User:Yoshi the Space Station Manager/sig}} 18:21, April 8, 2019 (EDT)
:::::::::::::This the original or the remake? [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 18:21, April 8, 2019 (EDT)
::::::::::::::original. {{User:Yoshi the Space Station Manager/sig}} 18:23, April 8, 2019 (EDT)
:::::::::::::::I checked a video and it says punch while moving! But that could just be instructions and the Sliding Haymaker is the NAME of the move!? [[User:HEROMARIO|&#91;-&#93;€40 分@4¡0]] ([[User talk:HEROMARIO|talk]]) 18:27, April 8, 2019 (EDT)
::::::::::::::::I think thats it. [[User:HEROMARIO|&#91;-&#93;€40 分@4¡0]] ([[User talk:HEROMARIO|talk]]) 18:32, April 8, 2019 (EDT)
::::::::::::::::So there wasn't a script change with that....probably should be moved, then, even if it's a less-intuitive name. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 18:34, April 8, 2019 (EDT)
:::::::::::::::::Wait what does that mean? [[User:HEROMARIO|&#91;-&#93;€40 分@4¡0]] ([[User talk:HEROMARIO|talk]]) 18:35, April 8, 2019 (EDT)
::::::::::::::::::We could also name it Sliding punch/Haymaker! [[User:HEROMARIO|&#91;-&#93;€40 分@4¡0]] ([[User talk:HEROMARIO|talk]]) 18:37, April 8, 2019 (EDT)
:::::::::::::::::::Nah, that'd be silly. What I meant was that "punch" makes more sense than "haymaker" on a logical standpoint, because "haymaker" is more obscure. However, if this is the name they're trying to use consistently here, than that's that. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 18:45, April 8, 2019 (EDT)
::::::::::::::::::::Also the prima guide was a third-party company when the guide was made and Sliding Punch is the instructions and the game makes it seam like that Sliding Haymaker is the name! [[User:HEROMARIO|&#91;-&#93;€40 分@4¡0]] ([[User talk:HEROMARIO|talk]]) 18:48, April 8, 2019 (EDT)
:::::::::::::::::::::Why not say called <b> Sliding Haymaker</b> by a save block and in the remake? [[User:HEROMARIO|&#91;-&#93;€40 分@4¡0]] ([[User talk:HEROMARIO|talk]]) 18:56, April 8, 2019 (EDT)
::::::::::::::::::::::I've found '''THREE''' gameplays of BiS and literally nobody saves after Bowser gets the sliding haymaker!! We really need a source ASAP, guys. --{{User:Tent2/sig}} 19:12, April 8, 2019 (EDT)
:::::::::::::::::::::::"Haymaker" was indeed said in the original by the save block. I again remember it because of how odd it sounded. Also given how much trouble the Durmite gave me on my first playthrough, I made sure to save immediately then. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 19:34, April 8, 2019 (EDT)
::::::::::::::::::::::::We should make it the offical name then [[User:HEROMARIO|&#91;-&#93;€40 分@4¡0]] ([[User talk:HEROMARIO|talk]]) 19:38, April 8, 2019 (EDT)
:::::::::::::::::::::::::I agree. {{User:Yoshi the Space Station Manager/sig}} 19:41, April 8, 2019 (EDT)
::::::::::::::::::::::::::Should I tell Alex95 or should we wait for more people? [[User:HEROMARIO|&#91;-&#93;€40 分@4¡0]] ([[User talk:HEROMARIO|talk]]) 19:43, April 8, 2019 (EDT)

(indent restart) If Haymaker is more commonly used, then sure. I'm not finding any text dump, and let's plays are unhelpful. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 19:45, April 8, 2019 (EDT)
:Ok then I can’t do it. But you can (I think)... [[User:HEROMARIO|&#91;-&#93;€40 分@4¡0]] ([[User talk:HEROMARIO|talk]]) 19:46, April 8, 2019 (EDT)
::Right? [[User:HEROMARIO|&#91;-&#93;€40 分@4¡0]] ([[User talk:HEROMARIO|talk]]) 19:51, April 8, 2019 (EDT)
:::Technically, "sliding punch" is just a name used by the characters generally, its like a enemy getting some random nickname that is used more in the story rather than the official one in the wiki. --{{User:Tent2/sig}} 19:54, April 8, 2019 (EDT)
::::@Tent2 Wrong, the original manual capitalizes both words. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 19:59, April 8, 2019 (EDT)
::::Er, is it called "sliding haymaker" or "Sliding Haymaker"? {{User:Alex95/sig}} 19:56, April 8, 2019 (EDT)
:::::Sliding Haymaker it is a name! [[User:HEROMARIO|&#91;-&#93;€40 分@4¡0]] ([[User talk:HEROMARIO|talk]]) 19:59, April 8, 2019 (EDT)

Page has been moved. Could use an actual ref for Haymaker if we can get one. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 20:08, April 8, 2019 (EDT)
:''"Bowser learns the '''sliding haymaker'''. He sets out for his castle once again!"'' Either this or 3DS manual. {{User:Yoshi the Space Station Manager/sig}} 20:11, April 8, 2019 (EDT)
::I can cover for the 3ds manuel but how do you want me to do it? A page or a extra part in the M&L BIS + BJJ Page huh? [[User:HEROMARIO|&#91;-&#93;€40 分@4¡0]] ([[User talk:HEROMARIO|talk]]) 20:36, April 8, 2019 (EDT)
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 :::Technically, "sliding punch" is just a name used by the characters generally, its like a enemy getting some random nickname that is used more in the story rather than the official one in the wiki. --{{User:Tent2/sig}} 19:54, April 8, 2019 (EDT)
 ::::@Tent2 Wrong, the original manual capitalizes both words. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 19:59, April 8, 2019 (EDT)
-:::::No, the manual capitalises "Sliding Punch" for the header like all headers, but the Emoglobin underneath it calls it a "sliding punch". {{User:Mario jc/sig}} 21:00, April 8, 2019 (EDT)
-::::::Then why, pray tell, does the EU manual pdf I looked up have it in capitals while "pipe" a page back isn't? [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 22:06, April 8, 2019 (EDT)
 ::::Er, is it called "sliding haymaker" or "Sliding Haymaker"? {{User:Alex95/sig}} 19:56, April 8, 2019 (EDT)
 :::::Sliding Haymaker it is a name! [[User:HEROMARIO|&#91;-&#93;€40 分@4¡0]] ([[User talk:HEROMARIO|talk]]) 19:59, April 8, 2019 (EDT)
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 :''"Bowser learns the '''sliding haymaker'''. He sets out for his castle once again!"'' Either this or 3DS manual. {{User:Yoshi the Space Station Manager/sig}} 20:11, April 8, 2019 (EDT)
 ::I can cover for the 3ds manuel but how do you want me to do it? A page or a extra part in the M&L BIS + BJJ Page huh? [[User:HEROMARIO|&#91;-&#93;€40 分@4¡0]] ([[User talk:HEROMARIO|talk]]) 20:36, April 8, 2019 (EDT)
-:::I will make a new page and link it! [[User:HEROMARIO|&#91;-&#93;€40 分@4¡0]] ([[User talk:HEROMARIO|talk]]) 20:46, April 8, 2019 (EDT)
-::::Yoshi the SSM was talking about which reference to use, not saying to make an article for the manual. The Save Block in both the original and the 3DS remake calls it a "sliding haymaker", so where did you see it was capitalised? {{User:Mario jc/sig}} 21:00, April 8, 2019 (EDT)
-The in-game guide in the remake calls it the "Sliding Haymaker" [[User:Best Fitness Friends|Best Fitness Friends]] ([[User talk:Best Fitness Friends|talk]]) 21:53, April 8, 2019 (EDT)
-:Old, but regarding "Sliding Haymaker":<blockquote>An action performed by Bowser.<br>Set the Action Icon to {{color|Punch|blue}} and throw a {{color|sliding haymaker|blue}} with {{color|ⓧ|orange}} while Bowser is walking.<br>Use this move to break rocks that a normal punch can't and to glide over small ditches.</blockquote>The remake "Guide" is lowercase. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 13:26, December 3, 2022 (EST)