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==Move Sledge Bro. to Sumo Bro. (Super Mario Bros. 3)==
==Move Sledge Bro. to Sumo Bro. (Super Mario Bros. 3)==
{{Settled TPP}}
{{TPP}}
{{Proposal outcome|cancelled}}
 
'''Proposer:''' {{User|Raven Effect}} <br>
'''Proposer:''' {{User|Raven Effect}} <br>
'''Proposed Deadline:''' September 6, 2012 23:59 GMT<br>
'''Deadline:''' September 6, 2012 23:59 GMT
'''Date Withdrawn:''' August 30, 2012


For the last 3 guides these have been called Sumo Bros. by Prima and regardless of your preference towards Prima they are still the official source for game guides of Nintendo games. Now the question is should we consider this a new name and to that I say yes (otherwise I wouldn't make this proposal) Think about it when Prima makes a naming mistake they usually don't make the same one multiple times in a row. But with these they have called them Sumo Bros. consistently in the last 3 game guides. I believe that this is enough evidence to say that they have been renamed Sumo Bro. because unlike other instances where a creature is renamed such as Fishbone being called Wet Bones this one is consistent.  
For the last 3 guides these have been called Sumo Bros. by Prima and regardless of your preference towards Prima they are still the official source for game guides of Nintendo games. Now the question is should we consider this a new name and to that I say yes (otherwise I wouldn't make this proposal) Think about it when Prima makes a naming mistake they usually don't make the same one multiple times in a row. But with these they have called them Sumo Bros. consistently in the last 3 game guides. I believe that this is enough evidence to say that they have been renamed Sumo Bro. because unlike other instances where a creature is renamed such as Fishbone being called Wet Bones this one is consistent.  
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#{{User|JORDAN DEBONO}} Per ToastUltimatum. In instances like these, we should keep to the latest version of names for characters.
#{{User|JORDAN DEBONO}} Per ToastUltimatum. In instances like these, we should keep to the latest version of names for characters.
#{{User|Electrical Bowser jr.}} If it's the recent name.
#{{User|Electrical Bowser jr.}} If it's the recent name.
#{{User|Koopa K}} Well, the Goal pole proposal [[http://www.mariowiki.com/Talk:Flagpole#Move_to_Goal_Pole]] is probably going to pass, so I changed to keep consistency. EDIT: I just googled both Sledge Bro. and Sumo Bro. Sledge Bro. recieved 1/8 of the hits sumo bro. did. Then, take of half for the other sumo bro. That still leaves only a 1/4 of the hits. Even take off a half of those. Sumo Bro. still has more hits than Sledge Bro.
#{{User|Koopa K}} Well, the Goal pole proposal [[http://www.mariowiki.com/Talk:Flagpole#Move_to_Goal_Pole]] is probably going to pass, so I changed to keep consistency.
#{{User|Technickal}} Per Koopa K.
#{{User|Technickal}} Per Koopa K.


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===Comments===
===Comments===
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'''@Koopa K''' And I say that's wrong because of the fact that 3 straight manuals have called them Sumo Bros. while only one manual (and possibly some books) call them Sledge Bros. So what I'm trying to say is that there are two types of Sumo Bros. much like how there are two types of Boomerang Brso. {{User|Raven Effect}}
'''@Koopa K''' And I say that's wrong because of the fact that 3 straight manuals have called them Sumo Bros. while only one manual (and possibly some books) call them Sledge Bros. So what I'm trying to say is that there are two types of Sumo Bros. much like how there are two types of Boomerang Brso. {{User|Raven Effect}}
:I say it's right. Still every single other website refers to them as Sledge Bros. Only Prima refers to them as Sumo Bros. Also, if we create the article we would have to make the regular [[Sumo Bros.]] article {{fake link|Sumo Bros. (Super Mario World)}} These are completely different from Sumo Bros. Oh, and what does the game refer to them as? Sledge Bros. I would guess, because the Superstar Saga Boomerang Bros. where officially referred to as Boomerang Bros. '''IN THE GAME!''' So yea, you think Sumo Bros. I think Sledge Bros. neither of us are particularly right until the proposal ends. {{User|Koopa K}}
:I say it's right. Still every single other website refers to them as Sledge Bros. Only Prima refers to them as Sumo Bros. Also, if we create the article we would have to make the regular [[Sumo Bros.]] article {{fakelink|Sumo Bros. (Super Mario World)}} These are completely different from Sumo Bros. Oh, and what does the game refer to them as? Sledge Bros. I would guess, because the Superstar Saga Boomerang Bros. where officially referred to as Boomerang Bros. '''IN THE GAME!''' So yea, you think Sumo Bros. I think Sledge Bros. neither of us are particularly right until the proposal ends. {{User|Koopa K}}
::Wait which official website calls them Sledge Bros. 0_0 and also Sledge Bros. are never called Sledge Bros. in the game they are called Sledge Brothers in the manual of SMB3 the only time a game has ever called them that. While there have been 3 straight games that have officially called them Sumo Bro. and once again whether you like Prima or not they are the official makers of Nintendo game guides what they say is canon unless it conflicts with other more reliable sources like a Nintendo Power guide or a game. Also I would like to point out that at the edit was made that said a guide had called them Sumo Bros. Prima was considered an unofficial source (or at least every one before 2007 was) and New Super Mario Bros. was made in 2006 which means that the guide that calls them Sumo Bro. would most likely be a Nintendo Power guide. {{User|Raven Effect}}
::Wait which official website calls them Sledge Bros. 0_0 and also Sledge Bros. are never called Sledge Bros. in the game they are called Sledge Brothers in the manual of SMB3 the only time a game has ever called them that. While there have been 3 straight games that have officially called them Sumo Bro. and once again whether you like Prima or not they are the official makers of Nintendo game guides what they say is canon unless it conflicts with other more reliable sources like a Nintendo Power guide or a game. Also I would like to point out that at the edit was made that said a guide had called them Sumo Bros. Prima was considered an unofficial source (or at least every one before 2007 was) and New Super Mario Bros. was made in 2006 which means that the guide that calls them Sumo Bro. would most likely be a Nintendo Power guide. {{User|Raven Effect}}
:::I never said official I just said websites. I know Prima is the official source for game guides, but that doesn't mean they don't make mistakes, as stated above XSXNX's comment. SMB3 refers to them as Sledge Bros. the only game with Sledge Bros. before Sumo Bros. were invented. Just because something is an official game guide, doesn't mean the cannot make mistakes, three times. {{User|Koopa K}}
:::I never said official I just said websites. I know Prima is the official source for game guides, but that doesn't mean they don't make mistakes, as stated above XSXNX's comment. SMB3 refers to them as Sledge Bros. the only game with Sledge Bros. before Sumo Bros. were invented. Just because something is an official game guide, doesn't mean the cannot make mistakes, three times. {{User|Koopa K}}
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'''@KoopaK'''The thing that is confusing me, is that you and a few others switched to support just because that was the most likely to pass, seriously show some spirit.... if you believe that this shouldn't pass, you don't have to support it. Stick to your beliefs, I don't mean to be rude, but it kind of got on my nerves. '''@Raven Effect''' I provided the Zelda Example because it was a case similar to this one and I was giving an example. --[[User:XXSuperXXNintendoXx|XXSuperXXNintendoXx]] Also, we need to stick to which name is more commonly used. Why do we need to complicate it, we don't always have to go by the newest name....  I wouldn't search for Sumo Bro (NSMB), I would instead search for Sledge Bro. because its the more common name, not by games, but its more used by the users of this wiki. Don't complicate it for this wiki's viewers. ([[User talk:XXSuperXXNintendoXx|talk]]) 19:41, 26 August 2012 (EDT)
'''@KoopaK'''The thing that is confusing me, is that you and a few others switched to support just because that was the most likely to pass, seriously show some spirit.... if you believe that this shouldn't pass, you don't have to support it. Stick to your beliefs, I don't mean to be rude, but it kind of got on my nerves. '''@Raven Effect''' I provided the Zelda Example because it was a case similar to this one and I was giving an example. --[[User:XXSuperXXNintendoXx|XXSuperXXNintendoXx]] Also, we need to stick to which name is more commonly used. Why do we need to complicate it, we don't always have to go by the newest name....  I wouldn't search for Sumo Bro (NSMB), I would instead search for Sledge Bro. because its the more common name, not by games, but its more used by the users of this wiki. Don't complicate it for this wiki's viewers. ([[User talk:XXSuperXXNintendoXx|talk]]) 19:41, 26 August 2012 (EDT)


:'''@ xXSuperXXNintendoXx''' READ THE <bleep>ING REASON BEFORE YOU SAY SOMETHING LIKE THAT! I changed to ''keep consistency'' of all the stuff that has been consistently renamed, NOT BECAUSE IT WAS MORE LIKELY TO PASS, THAT IS A DUMB REASON I WOULD NEVER DO THAT!!! It's about consistency, this has been consistently renamed just like the Goal Pole. IT WAS THE FREAKIN REASON I SUPPORTED THE GOAL POLE TPP! I suggest next time you read my supporting comment before you criticize me. P.S. Sledge Bro. would still be a redirect. {{User|Koopa K}}
'''@ xXSuperXXNintendoXx''' READ THE <bleep>ING REASON BEFORE YOU SAY SOMETHING LIKE THAT! I changed to''keep consistency'' of all the stuff that has been consistently renamed, NOT BECAUSE IT WAS MORE LIKELY TO PASS, THAT IS A DUMB REASON I WOULD NEVER DO THAT!!! It's about consistency, this has been consistently renamed just like the Goal Pole. IT WAS THE FREAKIN REASON I SUPPORTED THE GOAL POLE TPP! I suggest next time you read my supporting comment before you criticize me. P.S. Sledge Bro. would still be a redirect. {{User|Koopa K}}
::Calm down Koopa K DOING THIS ONLY MAKES YOUR ARGUMENT WEAKER AND LESS PROFESSIONAL. {{User|Raven Effect}}
:::It's called anger, but you're right. {{User|Koopa K}}
::::I wasn't trying to be rude at all, but that was kind of uncalled for.... I guess what I'm trying to say which name is used more widely by the users of the wiki and the viewers, Sumo Bro or Sledge Bro. We don't need to base it on consistency or the more frequent name to appear within the games. As such, I've been with many NIWA wikis, as a regular user and a staff member, but I've never seen a response like that to me..... I get your point, but listen to Raven and calm down. --[[User:XXSuperXXNintendoXx|XXSuperXXNintendoXx]] ([[User talk:XXSuperXXNintendoXx|talk]]) 21:31, 26 August 2012 (EDT)
 
I thought about it, I realized that I do think for real that it should be Sumo Bro. Not just for consistency. For reAL, REal. {{User|Koopa K}}
 
I have decided to cancel this proposal for the time being because I do not want it inconsistent by having there be a Sumo Bro. (Super Mario Bros. 3} article because that implies that there is a creature that was called Sumo Bro. that came before it when in fact there is not. {{unsigned|Raven Effect}}
 
:So what this poll is not going to happen even if the opposition have more votes? {{User|JORDAN DEBONO}}
 
== Merging Mega Sledge Bro with Sledge Bro  ==
 
Ok, you want to move sledge bro. Can we all know why and discuss? I’m on board. {{User:HEROMARIO/sig}} 08:24, May 16, 2020 (EDT)
:To explain, there's really no such thing as a Mega Sledge Bro - with the exception of ''Mario Kart Tour''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s Mega Hammer Bro (or Hammer Bro basically under the effect of a Mega Mushroom a la Mega Mario), Sledge Bro is treated as the equivalent of a "Big Hammer Bro", so Mega Sledge Bro would effectively be a "Big Big Hammer Bro". In retrospect, like several other things at the time, the Nintendo of Europe localization to closer to Nintendo of Japan, and so the game's Sledge Bro is correctly called as such. Some likely explanations as to why Nintendo of America mistakenly call it a Mega Sledge Bro include the idea that the localizer wanted to have it match the series' other "Big" enemies (translated as "Mega") or the fact that the Japanese name of Sledge Bros. being changed from ''Himan'' (Fat) Bros. to Mega Bros. led to lasting confusion in translation for a while. If Mega Sledge Bro merges with Sledge Bro, I'd also suggest making a [[MarioWiki:Naming#Name changes|naming exception]] and retitling NoA's "Mega Sledge Bro's Card Chaos" to NoE's "Sledge Bro's Card Chaos" to match. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 14:20, May 16, 2020 (EDT)
 
:Yep, that's right. I agree with [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]], but I think we should mention that he is named Mega Sledge Bro in the american version.{{unsigned|1JUST1}}
::I agree with LinkTheLefty on all counts except for the last one; naming the article after the British localization instead of the American one like pretty much every article just doesn't make any logical sense in the long run. &ndash; [[User:Owencrazyboy9|Owencrazyboy9]] ([[User talk:Owencrazyboy9|talk]]) 20:14, November 22, 2020 (EST)
 
:I, too, agree with LinkTheLefty. I'm not entirely sure why the Mega Sledge Bro has its own page; it's a single enemy in a single minigame in a single video game. I would just say it's a Sledge Bro.
::[[User:Chikorita Lover|Chikorita Lover]] ([[User talk:Chikorita Lover|talk]]) 15:41, February 8, 2021 (EST)

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