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| I am very curious as to what Sky-High Sundae is supposed to be considered as. Now yes, it's Mario Kart debut is 8 Deluxe, and the website does not give it a prefix, but the first trailer for the Booster Course Pass states that it contains 48 remastered courses from previous Mario Kart games, including Mario Kart Tour. That said, in the Wave 2 trailer, it states that Sky-High Sundae will be added to Tour in the future, but it does not say that for GBA Snow Land, despite it also not being in Tour. There's also the issue of Ninja Hideaway not having a prefix despite being a Tour track, so maybe the same is still applicable here, where both courses were created for Tour but don't have the prefix because they're not based on a city. When this course comes to Tour, I doubt its gonna be labeled as coming from 8 Deluxe, meaning that its original creation was intended for Tour. But that's just what I'm thinking. Thoughts? [[User:Prpro=03|PrPro03]] ([[User talk:Prpro=03|talk]]) 15:05, July 28, 2022 (EDT) | | I am very curious as to what Sky-High Sundae is supposed to be considered as. Now yes, it's Mario Kart debut is 8 Deluxe, and the website does not give it a prefix, but the first trailer for the Booster Course Pass states that it contains 48 remastered courses from previous Mario Kart games, including Mario Kart Tour. That said, in the Wave 2 trailer, it states that Sky-High Sundae will be added to Tour in the future, but it does not say that for GBA Snow Land, despite it also not being in Tour. There's also the issue of Ninja Hideaway not having a prefix despite being a Tour track, so maybe the same is still applicable here, where both courses were created for Tour but don't have the prefix because they're not based on a city. When this course comes to Tour, I doubt its gonna be labeled as coming from 8 Deluxe, meaning that its original creation was intended for Tour. But that's just what I'm thinking. Thoughts? [[User:Prpro=03|PrPro03]] ([[User talk:Prpro=03|talk]]) 15:05, July 28, 2022 (EDT) |
| :I say if it debuts in ''8DX'', it's an ''8DX'' track. We can't be sure if the track will be given an ''8DX'' label when it shows up in ''Tour'' until it happens, but that won't change the course's actual debut. {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 15:46, July 28, 2022 (EDT) | | :I say if it debuts in ''8DX'', it's an ''8DX'' track. We can't be sure if the track will be given an ''8DX'' label when it shows up in ''Tour'' until it happens, but that won't change the course's actual debut. {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 15:46, July 28, 2022 (EDT) |
| :Even if it isn't listed as <small>Switch</small> Sky-High Sundae or something to that effect once it's added to Tour, I don't think that would really prove anything. Ninja Hideaway is solidly a Tour track, but it doesn't have a prefix in 8DX. Unless they change that in the update, but at that point we're working off of what we ''think'' will happen instead of actual sources, which isn't the right move for a wiki. In any case, the Mario Wiki's stance on this will really only affect where we put it in the "Mario Kart racecourses" template - and if we're putting {{classic link|Tour|Paris Promenade}} in there, I think Sky-High Sundae is plenty justified being put there until we get clearer evidence one way or the other.{{unsigned|Ahemtoday}} | | :Even if it isn't listed as <small>Switch</small> Sky-High Sundae or something to that effect once it's added to Tour, I don't think that would really prove anything. Ninja Hideaway is solidly a Tour track, but it doesn't have a prefix in 8DX. Unless they change that in the update, but at that point we're working off of what we ''think'' will happen instead of actual sources, which isn't the right move for a wiki. In any case, the Mario Wiki's stance on this will really only affect where we put it in the "Mario Kart racecourses" template - and if we're putting {{classic-link|Tour|Paris Promenade}} in there, I think Sky-High Sundae is plenty justified being put there until we get clearer evidence one way or the other.{{unsigned|Ahemtoday}} |
| ::Stretch comparison, but Byleth, Edelgard, Dimitri and Claude all appeared in ''Fire Emblem Heroes'' before ''Three Houses'' released, but they're all still characters from ''Three Houses''. This really isn't all that different a situation. The DLC is clearly taking from ''Tour'' so there's enough reason to believe this is intended to be a ''Tour'' track. {{User:Tails777/sig}}17:13, July 28, 2022 (EDT) | | ::Stretch comparison, but Byleth, Edelgard, Dimitri and Claude all appeared in ''Fire Emblem Heroes'' before ''Three Houses'' released, but they're all still characters from ''Three Houses''. This really isn't all that different a situation. The DLC is clearly taking from ''Tour'' so there's enough reason to believe this is intended to be a ''Tour'' track. {{User:Tails777/sig}}17:13, July 28, 2022 (EDT) |
| :::I don't think that comparison is accurate. I'm no expert on the ''Fire Emblem'' series, so correct any errors I make, but AFAIK ''Three Houses'' is a proper "new game" (for lack of a better term) while ''Heroes'' is an ongoing mobile game revolving around obtaining heroes from past installments, making their appearance in that game more comparable to Roy debuting in ''Melee'' before his "proper" game was released than the circumstances surrounding this race course. ''Mario Kart Tour'' itself is an ongoing mobile game continuously receiving updates with mostly courses from previous ''Mario Kart'' games and variants of them, so the "past content crossover vs. fully new installment" contrast isn't present here. Without official confirmation, calling SHS "properly a ''Tour'' track" seems arbitrary to me. Nintendo has shown a lot of inconsistency with ''Tour'', straight up [[GBA Bowser's Castle 1|retitling]] [[GBA Bowser's Castle 2|existing]] [[SNES Koopa Troopa Beach 2|tracks]] for ''no reason at all'' and making Ninja Hideaway the only ''Tour'' track in ''8DX'' so far without a prefix. Therefore, I think we should stick to calling this an ''8DX'' track until we get official confirmation to the contrary. {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 18:16, July 28, 2022 (EDT) | | :::I don't think that comparison is accurate. I'm no expert on the ''Fire Emblem'' series, so correct any errors I make, but AFAIK ''Three Houses'' is a proper "new game" (for lack of a better term) while ''Heroes'' is an ongoing mobile game revolving around obtaining heroes from past installments, making their appearance in that game more comparable to Roy debuting in ''Melee'' before his "proper" game was released than the circumstances surrounding this race course. ''Mario Kart Tour'' itself is an ongoing mobile game continuously receiving updates with mostly courses from previous ''Mario Kart'' games and variants of them, so the "past content crossover vs. fully new installment" contrast isn't present here. Without official confirmation, calling SHS "properly a ''Tour'' track" seems arbitrary to me. Nintendo has shown a lot of inconsistency with ''Tour'', straight up [[GBA Bowser's Castle 1|retitling]] [[GBA Bowser's Castle 2|existing]] [[SNES Koopa Troopa Beach 2|tracks]] for ''no reason at all'' and making Ninja Hideaway the only ''Tour'' track in ''8DX'' so far without a prefix. Therefore, I think we should stick to calling this an ''8DX'' track until we get official confirmation to the contrary. {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 18:16, July 28, 2022 (EDT) |
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| {{Proposal outcome|passed|6-3-17|consider it from both Tour and 8 Deluxe}}
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| ===Consider Sky-High Sundae to be a ''Mario Kart Tour'' course=== | | ===Consider Sky-High Sundae to be a ''Mario Kart Tour'' course=== |
| #{{User|WildWario}} Per all of the points stated. | | #{{User|WildWario}} Per all of the points stated. |
| #{{User|Tails777}} Primary choice. It’s not completely unheard of for things to debut in games before their intended debut: FE’s Roy was in ''Melee'' before ''Binding Blade'', four ''Three Houses'' characters were in ''Heroes'' before ''Three Houses'', Sonic was in ''Rad Mobile'' before his own franchise was even a thing (albeit as a cameo, but cameos are still appearances), so I find, given the info, there’s nothing wrong with treating this track as a ''Tour'' track first.
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| #{{User|Arend}} Primary choice, per WildWario and Tails777.
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| #{{User|Piotrek1113}} Primary choice. There's a reason why devs are categorizing all the tracks in filenames. Promotional materials can sometimes be wrong or just change the meaning to not make further confusion for the overall audience.
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| #{{User|RSM}} secondary choice, its considered a new course in the files.
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| #{{User|Shadow2}} When the DLC was first announced, they said it was going to feature "our favourite courses from previous games" or something along those lines. Basically they made it clear from the beginning that none of the courses were going to be fully new.
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| ===Consider Sky-High Sundae to be a ''Mario Kart 8 Deluxe'' course=== | | ===Consider Sky-High Sundae to be a ''Mario Kart 8 Deluxe'' course=== |
| #{{User|Polterpup}} Ninja Hideaway doesn't use the Tour prefix in 8 Deluxe despite being introduced in Tour. I think we should just use the game a course debuts in unless Nintendo says otherwise, otherwise the wiki may become confusing and disorganized. This is especially true since it was marketed as a new course in 8 Deluxe. [[N64 Kalimari Desert 2]] is a new track to Tour despite using the N64 prefix, similar to how Ninja Hideaway does't use the Tour prefix in 8. Besides, you can't say it debuted in 2 games when that's factually untrue. It was revealed in an 8 Deluxe trailer, debuted in 8 Deluxe, and was released in Tour nearly a week later.
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| #{{User|7feetunder}} Second option, the track was in this game first.
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| #{{User|Hewer}} Regardless of whether it was first intended for Tour or not, I personally think we should be basing this on what the course's actual first appearance was. We don't say Hammer Bro is a returning character in Tour from when he was scrapped in Wii, so I don't see why this situation should be treated differently. Also, per Polterpup.
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| #{{User|Swallow}} Per Koopa Con Carne's comment | | #{{User|Swallow}} Per Koopa Con Carne's comment |
| #{{User|Koopa con Carne}} Per all | | #{{User|Koopa con Carne}} Per all |
| #{{User|Somethingone}} Per all the info we have; it's internally a Tour track, sure, but it's not marketed as belonging specifically to one of the two games, but rather both.
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| #{{User|Tails777}} I’m willing to meet on this middle ground too. Secondary option.
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| #{{User|Arend}} Secondary option.
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| #{{User|Mister Wu}} I just think it's the better approach, since that's how it is currently presented in both games, for good reasons in both cases
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| #{{User|Sdman213}} Per all.
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| #{{User|TheFlameChomp}} Per all.
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| #{{User|ShootingStar7X}} Per all.
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| #{{user|7feetunder}} Per Nintendo's own marketing. I've already explained above why I think the whole ''Fire Emblem'' comparison thing doesn't work, so I don't see the need to repeat myself.
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| #{{User|Piotrek1113}} Secondary option.
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| #{{User|Infinite8}} Per all; I was leaning onto "It's a Tour course", but we don't want confused casual readers.
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| #{{User|RSM}} per all.
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| #{{User|Mari0fan100}} If a track is released in both Mario Kart games, it can be safe to say that it <s>comes from</s> is a new course in both Mario Kart games. Per all.
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| #{{User|LemonJuice}} Per all. Both games refer to the course as being new
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| #{{User|ThePowerPlayer}} Per all. Each version of the course equally promotes itself as being new, and the course overall is clearly a cross-promotion for both games.
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| My preference: '''it's both a ''Mario Kart 8 Deluxe'' and a ''Mario Kart Tour'' course'''. It has no prefix in either game, and promotional material (namely horse's-mouth type of information such as the [https://mariokart8.nintendo.com/booster-course-pass/ American] and [https://www.nintendo.co.jp/switch/aabpa/coursepack/index.html Japanese] websites, brought up by {{User|Somethingone}} above) squarely frame it as a new course while framing Ninja Hideaway as a mobile course; if said material doesn't outweigh the game's own stance, it at least competes with it through sheer recurrence. Besides, there was barely a week time between the course's two appearances, which does not really help its case as a "''classic'' course". {{User:Koopa con Carne/Sig}} 09:05, August 10, 2022 (EDT) | | My preference: '''it's both a ''Mario Kart 8 Deluxe'' and a ''Mario Kart Tour'' course'''. It has no prefix in either game, and promotional material (namely horse's-mouth type of information such as the [https://mariokart8.nintendo.com/booster-course-pass/ American] and [https://www.nintendo.co.jp/switch/aabpa/coursepack/index.html Japanese] websites, brought up by {{User|Somethingone}} above) squarely frame it as a new course while framing Ninja Hideaway as a mobile course; if said material doesn't outweigh the game's own stance, it at least competes with it through sheer reccurence. Besides, there was barely a week time between its two appearances, which does not really help its case as a "''classic'' course". {{User:Koopa con Carne/Sig}} 09:05, August 10, 2022 (EDT) |
| :I agree with Koopa Con Carne on this. {{User:Somethingone/sig}} 09:11, August 10, 2022 (EDT) | | :I agree with Koopa Con Carne on this. {{User:Somethingone/sig}} 09:11, August 10, 2022 (EDT) |
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| :Fully agreed with this latter position. They had all the rights stating it was a completely new course when it debuted in ''Mario Kart 8 Deluxe'', at the same time they treated it as a new course in ''Mario Kart Tour'' too, which makes sense since it was announced just one day after its Booster Course Pass release and also because of all the hints the internal data as well as the tour paragraph gave us: it has been originally conceived as a ''Mario Kart Tour'' course. While for us the concept of a course that is new in both games gives us headache, all the official information points to Sky-High Sundae being just that. Really, I think the only way to present this course closer to how Nintendo is presenting it is simply presenting as new in both games while explaining what both the official information, the timing of release and the datamined information is telling us about this odd case in this page. If we need to adapt the wiki for that, let's adapt it! So I'd add this option among the choices.--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 09:16, August 10, 2022 (EDT) | | :Fully agreed with this latter position. They had all the rights stating it was a completely new course when it debuted in ''Mario Kart 8 Deluxe'', at the same time they treated it as a new course in ''Mario Kart Tour'' too, which makes sense since it was announced just one day after its Booster Course Pass release and also because of all the hints the internal data as well as the tour paragraph gave us: it has been originally conceived as a ''Mario Kart Tour'' course. While for us the concept of a course that is new in both games gives us headache, all the official information points to Sky-High Sundae being just that. Really, I think the only way to present this course closer to how Nintendo is presenting it is simply presenting as new in both games while explaining what both the official information, the timing of release and the datamined information is telling us about this odd case in this page. If we need to adapt the wiki for that, let's adapt it! So I'd add this option among the choices.--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 09:16, August 10, 2022 (EDT) |
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| While I'm willing to regard Sky-High Sundae as both an 8DX and a Tour course at the same time, it would kind of leave to question what to do with its position on the [[Template:MK race courses|MK race courses]] template: as to whether keep Sky-High Sundae in both ''Tour'' section and the ''8DX'' Booster Course Pass section, or, as 7feetunder noted in the comment section of the [[MarioWiki:Proposals#Merge city course and Kalimari Desert layouts|currently ongoing "Merge city courses and Kalimari Desert layouts" proposal]] as an alternative, put Sky-High Sundae only in the ''Tour'' section and put an asterisk behind it, plus adding a note mentioning its simultaneous debut in the Booster Course Pass. I personally would go for the latter option, because, if the aforementioned proposal passes, it would leave Sky-High Sundae as the only course in the Booster Course Pass section, and with the course also being in the template's ''Tour'' section, it would make the entire section feel pointless and/or confusing. [[User:Arend|Arend]] ([[User talk:Arend|talk]]) 10:57, August 10, 2022 (EDT)
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| :Honestly, we don't need a crystal ball to see where this story is going: all the non-prefixed courses in the Booster Course Pass (including Ninja Hideaway and Merry Mountain) will be passed in the future as "Switch" courses since these are literally the only racecourses that can have said prefix, it doesn't matter if they were actually developed for another game. At best, they'll still consider them new in ''Mario Kart Tour'' as well, the game they were originally developed for. Watch the same story happen in the next console game as well, if ''Mario Kart Tour'' lives long enough. If they indeed go on with this plan, we'll have to keep all the non-prefixed courses of the pass in that section of the template to reflect their future prefix.--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 23:06, August 10, 2022 (EDT)
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| See comments per my vote. [[User:Polterpup|Polterpup]] ([[User talk:Polterpup|talk]]) 12:31, August 10, 2022 (EDT)
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| :Uh... this ''is'' the comments section. Is this supposed to be swapped with what you have written for [[#Consider Sky-High Sundae to be a Mario Kart 8 Deluxe course|the SHS = MK8D course voting section above]]? [[User:Arend|Arend]] ([[User talk:Arend|talk]]) 12:59, August 10, 2022 (EDT)
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| :Also, I'm not sure bringing up {{classic|N64|Kalimari Desert 2}} would be the ''best'' example, given that, if the aforementioned [[MarioWiki:Proposals#Merge city course and Kalimari Desert layouts|"Merge city courses and Kalimari Desert layouts" proposal]] ends up succeeding in a couple of days, Kalimari Desert 2 will end up merging with the original {{classic|N64|Kalimari Desert}} anyway. [[User:Arend|Arend]] ([[User talk:Arend|talk]]) 12:59, August 10, 2022 (EDT)
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| We can't list it as debuting in Tour when that's untrue. We list Ninja Hideaway as from Tour despite it not having a prefix in 8 Deluxe. [[User:Polterpup|Polterpup]] ([[User talk:Polterpup|talk]]) 12:33, August 10, 2022 (EDT)
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| :Technically speaking, one can argue that Sky-High Sundae has been teased for ''Tour'' before it was officially announced for ''8 Deluxe''. At the very least, the Ice Cream Mii Racing Suit for the Sundae Tour was in [https://youtu.be/PUg8E2lPCzU the Wave 11 trailer]. Maybe a bit of a stretchy point, but ''Mario Kart Tour'' has definitely used Mii Racing Suit silhouette teasers before to hint at an upcoming Tour, or an element from it (such as the silhouette for the Petey Piranha Mii Racing Suit to tease the Piranha Plant Tour and Petey Piranha). The silhouette for the Ice Cream Mii Racing Suit was definitely hinting at something ice cream-related, if not Sky-High Sundae itself, for what's coming after the Ocean Tour. [[User:Arend|Arend]] ([[User talk:Arend|talk]]) 13:10, August 10, 2022 (EDT)
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| Nintendo really made some loopholes with "48 remastered courses in the BCP". I could say it's a course made for ''Tour'' internally, but Nintendo says it's a '''new course''' for ''8 Deluxe'' according to promotional material. I would want to add in that the phone notification has said it's also a '''new course''' for ''Tour'', without any mention it's from ''8 Deluxe''. Quote:
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| :"''The second part of the Summertime Celebration is here, and we're starting with a tour to cool off in the summertime! The new course Sky-High Sundae is full of ice cream, and it's here!''"
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| It would be wise to say it's a new course for ''both games'', because the course is promoted for both games, not only ''8 Deluxe''. It is kinda fits with the "cross-promotion between both games". I would think we should leave out the "Tour" prefix for Ninja Hideaway as well, until the course gets its next appearance in another Mario Kart game (also applies to Merry Mountain and future "Tour" non-city courses). - {{User:Infinite8/sig}} 20:26, August 10, 2022 (EDT)
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| @Hewer I don't think the Hammer Bro comparison is a very good one here, as you said Hammer Bro was scrapped for Wii obviously meaning he wasn't actually used, so Mario Kart Tour would be his first Mario Kart appearance (as a driver at least). Sky High Sundae however was used in the final product of the Booster Course Pass and Tour. {{User:Swallow/sig}} 07:21, August 11, 2022 (EDT)
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| :That's precisely my point - we count Hammer Bro's Mario Kart debut as Tour because he didn't actually appear in Wii even though he was planned to, and by that same logic I think we should count Sky-High Sundae as an 8DX course because that was its first appearance, even if it was planned for Tour first. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 08:10, August 11, 2022 (EDT)
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| ::That's not what Swallow is saying, I believe. They were saying that ''unlike'' Hammer Bro in ''Mario Kart Wii'', Sky-High Sundae in ''Tour'' eventually DID come true... not only like a day after it came out for ''8 Deluxe'', but also teased with the Ice Cream Mii Suit silhouette ''before'' Sky-High Sundae was announced for ''8 Deluxe''.<br>Your point would've been more valid if, say, Hammer Bro eventually became a playable character in ''Mario Kart Wii'' AFTER he became playable in ''Mario Kart Tour''. Then again, support ''Mario Kart Tour'' is still ongoing with new content every two weeks, while ''Mario Kart Wii's'' last original tournament was in August of 2010 (tournaments were pretty much the only ongoing support of Nintendo for ''Mario Kart Wii''), and support officially ended in May of 2014, around the same time Nintendo Wi-Fi Connection was discontinued. [[User:Arend|Arend]] ([[User talk:Arend|talk]]) 10:38, August 11, 2022 (EDT)
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| :::My point isn't that Sky-High Sundae was never intended or hinted at to come out in Tour, what I'm saying is that whether it was originally intended to come out in Tour first or not shouldn't matter because it ended up coming out in 8DX first, so it's an 8DX course, in much the same way that Hammer Bro is a character introduced to the series in Tour because his first actual Mario Kart appearance was in Tour regardless of being intended for Wii first. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 13:39, August 11, 2022 (EDT)
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| ::::Thing is, the release was spaced by a few days, not months or years, and not only the internal data, but even Nintendo's own wording indicates that the course was originally developed for ''Mario Kart Tour'' and then released early on the Booster Course Pass as a very smart move to have a way better selling point in a completely new course, instead of just another course from ''Mario Kart Tour'' (which was the original plan according to the "48 remastered courses" wording, as well as the wording of used in the Sundae Tour). In any case, it's clear how both the ''Mario Kart Tour'' and the Booster Course Pass versions were developed together, and as such they were presented as new in both games by Nintendo itself, in what is basically the first case of a release of a course in two games instead of just one.--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 14:17, August 11, 2022 (EDT)
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| :::::Again, regardless of what the course was originally developed for, I think we should be classifying it based on what its actual debut ended up being, i.e. 8DX, and the Booster Course Pass's advertising after Sky-High Sundae's announcement is very consistent with referring to it as a new course in 8DX (which notably doesn't apply to its fellow prefix-less course Ninja Hideaway). Even if the same applies to Tour, I think that the fact it came to 8DX first should be the deciding factor here, regardless of how long the gap was between releases. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 21:16, August 11, 2022 (EDT)
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| ::::::As I said before, Sky-High Sundae was ''technically'' teased for ''Tour'' prior to it being announced for ''8 Deluxe''. Like I said to Polterpup, the Ice Cream Mii Suit's silhouette was revealed for Wave 12 of the Mii suits in [https://youtu.be/PUg8E2lPCzU the Wave 11 trailer] for the Ocean Tour, at the very least teasing an ice cream-themed Tour following the Ocean Tour (as Mii suit silhouettes sometimes do that, especially in this case since ice cream is so specific and non-Mario-like). And considering the Tour updates frequent every two weeks (teased on a Thursday on the second week of a tour, announced the following Friday, and starting the next Wednesday), and seem to be planned far ahead of time, it was definitely planned to have this Sundae Tour announced or released around the same time as Wave 2 of the Booster Course Pass. It was made and planned for ''Tour'', and since the Booster Course Pass is very likely to include all ''Tour'' courses in case ''Tour'' is going to discontinue, there's a definite plan to just coincide Sky-High Sundae's debuts in ''Tour'' AND ''8 Deluxe'' around the same time. We know that the course was still initially meant for ''Tour'', as all ''Tour'' marketing still regard Sky-High Sundae as a new course; it's simply also regarded as a new course for ''8 Deluxe'' as that's more marketable and enticing (and since it hadn't been officially revealed for ''Tour'' yet), so for all intents and purposes, Nintendo wants us to see it as a new course for ''both games'' (unless they decide to sneakily add a {{classic|Tour|prefix}} to Sky-High Sundae on the Booster Course Pass website in the future, but that's mere speculation). [[User:Arend|Arend]] ([[User talk:Arend|talk]]) 07:02, August 12, 2022 (EDT)
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| It's been mentioned in here before, but my primary concern is where we put it in the race courses template. While I do think thinking about it as a Tour ''and'' 8 Deluxe course is ideal, that doesn't really answer that question. I don't want to put it in two places on the template, so I think we should just put it in the Tour section since the 8DX section has no other tracks in it right now. [[User:Ahemtoday|Ahemtoday]] ([[User talk:Ahemtoday|talk]]) 12:49, August 14, 2022 (EDT)
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