Editing Talk:Skeeter

I'm pretty sure they were blue in Super Mario 64 DS. Editing.
{{unsigned|Neini8}}

I hate these things >.> {{User:King Mario/sig 2}}

==Name?==
Hmmm... Shouldn't there be an article named "Pondskater" and one called "Skeeter?" Because the two were never confirmed to be the same thing. {{User:Bloc Partier/sig}}

:Where did the name Pondskater come from? Is it official? -- {{User|Son of Suns}}

::Possibly. I'd say I'd check my SMS guide but I know it won't actually happen. {{User:Bloc Partier/sig}}

I've never heard of a Pondskater.--[[User:Peanutbutter-girl|Peanutbutter-girl]] 22:12, 16 March 2011 (EDT)peanutbutter-girl

==Fat Skeeter==
Do the blue ones also appear in New Super Mario Bros.?--[[File:YoshiMP8a.PNG|35px]][[User:YoshiGo99|YoshiGo99]][[File:YoshiNSMBW.png|35px]] 21:36, 7 March 2011 (EST)

== Thing for Bjaadon the bad writing place ==

Okay, under new super mario bros it says: These skull bombs actually do not explode, but can be used to break blocks. The resulting EXPLOSION... Yeah I think thats contradictory, right?(Toadbrigade5, Sorry for not signing in)

== Split and create articles for {{fakelink|Skeeter (New Super Mario Bros.)}} and {{fakelink|Pondskater}} ==
{{TPP}}
Currently, the NSMB Skeeters and Pondskaters are in the same article. However, they aren't the same. For one thing, the NSMB ones have a different name in Japan, look different, and drop bombs, unlike Skeeters. Pondskaters have a different name, look different, and can't be killed by being jumped, unlike Skeeters. There is also no evidence that the Skeeters in Super Mario Sunshine are actually called Skeeters.

'''Proposer''': {{User|UltraMario3000}}<br>
'''Deadline''': February 14, 2016, 23:59 GMT

====Support====
#{{User|UltraMario3000}} Per proposal
#{{User|Bazooka Mario}} Per proposal. For the ''New Super Mario Bros.'' variety, the different appearance/behavior AND different Japanese name makes it a good case to split. As for ''Super Mario Sunshine'', we've both tried scouring sources for the enemy's name and we found only "Pondskater" from the Prima guide, which is already referenced here. Its placement in the Sunshine article is therefore dubious and needs a split.
#{{User|Niiue}} Per all.
#{{User|Baby Luigi}} Per proposal

====Oppose====

====Comments====
Hmm. I support splitting NSMB Skeeters, but I'm not really sure how to feel about splitting "Pondskaters". [[User:Niiue|Niiue]] ([[User talk:Niiue|talk]]) 02:45, 31 January 2016 (EST)
:Well as far as we know there's no source that calls them Skeeters, so they're probably different.--{{User:UltraMario3000/sig}}
::True. Supporting for now, might reconsider if evidence of them being Skeeters is found. [[User:Niiue|Niiue]] ([[User talk:Niiue|talk]]) 03:34, 31 January 2016 (EST)
:::Yeah, I'm still kind of iffy on the identity of the thing in ''Super Mario Sunshine'' but if Prima is the only one we got (and the other one I think referred to it generically), then that's what we got and it's a case for a split. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 15:29, 31 January 2016 (EST)
::::For the record, the Nintendo Power guide calls them "water bugs" ("You can't destroy the water bugs. You can jump on top of them, which will bounce you very high into the air.") and the BradyGames guide calls them a "Blue Spider" (in the giant list of enemies at the start, which also names most enemies using garbled romanizations). {{User:Time Turner/sig}}
I think it 's a bit complicated to choose whether or not I have to support this, because this enemy has always changed appearance from game to game. Perhaps Super Mario Sunshine's name is a mistake from the guide since the appearance the enemy had changed for this game.--{{User:LudwigVon/sig}}  15:36, 31 January 2016 (EST)
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-==(First topic)==
 I'm pretty sure they were blue in Super Mario 64 DS. Editing.
 {{unsigned|Neini8}}
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 ==Fat Skeeter==
-Do the blue ones also appear in New Super Mario Bros.?--[[File:YoshiMP8Artwork.png|35px]][[User:YoshiGo99|YoshiGo99]][[File:YoshiNSMBW.png|35px]] 21:36, 7 March 2011 (EST)
+Do the blue ones also appear in New Super Mario Bros.?--[[File:YoshiMP8a.PNG|35px]][[User:YoshiGo99|YoshiGo99]][[File:YoshiNSMBW.png|35px]] 21:36, 7 March 2011 (EST)
 == Thing for Bjaadon the bad writing place ==
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 Okay, under new super mario bros it says: These skull bombs actually do not explode, but can be used to break blocks. The resulting EXPLOSION... Yeah I think thats contradictory, right?(Toadbrigade5, Sorry for not signing in)
-== Split and create articles for {{fake link|Skeeter (New Super Mario Bros.)}} and {{fake link|Pondskater}} ==
+== Split and create articles for {{fakelink|Skeeter (New Super Mario Bros.)}} and {{fakelink|Pondskater}} ==
-{{Settled TPP}}
+{{TPP}}
-{{Proposal outcome|passed|5-1|Split and create articles}}
 Currently, the NSMB Skeeters and Pondskaters are in the same article. However, they aren't the same. For one thing, the NSMB ones have a different name in Japan, look different, and drop bombs, unlike Skeeters. Pondskaters have a different name, look different, and can't be killed by being jumped, unlike Skeeters. There is also no evidence that the Skeeters in Super Mario Sunshine are actually called Skeeters.
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 #{{User|Niiue}} Per all.
 #{{User|Baby Luigi}} Per proposal
-#{{User|LudwigVon}} Per Bazooka Mario.
 ====Oppose====
-#{{User|Wildgoosespeeder}} I like the term ''Pondskater'' better but not enough to warrant a split. I would like a move better.
 ====Comments====
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 :::Yeah, I'm still kind of iffy on the identity of the thing in ''Super Mario Sunshine'' but if Prima is the only one we got (and the other one I think referred to it generically), then that's what we got and it's a case for a split. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 15:29, 31 January 2016 (EST)
 ::::For the record, the Nintendo Power guide calls them "water bugs" ("You can't destroy the water bugs. You can jump on top of them, which will bounce you very high into the air.") and the BradyGames guide calls them a "Blue Spider" (in the giant list of enemies at the start, which also names most enemies using garbled romanizations). {{User:Time Turner/sig}}
-:::::Exactly. It's a generic referral, so it can't be used as a source for this enemy's name. Not sure what to make of BradyGames, but it doesn't sound like Skeeter, romanization or not. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 15:42, 31 January 2016 (EST)
 I think it 's a bit complicated to choose whether or not I have to support this, because this enemy has always changed appearance from game to game. Perhaps Super Mario Sunshine's name is a mistake from the guide since the appearance the enemy had changed for this game.--{{User:LudwigVon/sig}}  15:36, 31 January 2016 (EST)
-:We don't know if the Skeeters have actually changed appearance or are wholly different species. The ''Super Mario Sunshine'' one doesn't really have any connection, especially with a different name thanks to Prima, other than they're water bugs. Not sure about the ''Super Mario Galaxy 2'' one, but I recall with my conversation with UltraMario that they are called Skeeters, but don't quote me if I'm wrong on that. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 15:42, 31 January 2016 (EST)
-::Yup, the SMG2 ones are indeed called Skeeters, according to Prima. Not sure if they're called that in Japan, but unlike these other enemies, they don't do anything different, and can be killed by jumping on them, so I think it's safe to say they are in fact Skeeters unless proven otherwise.{{User:UltraMario3000/sig}}
-Wildgoosespeeder: Elaborate? {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 21:40, 31 January 2016 (EST)
-:All of them skate across water while most enemies either swim or sink in water. Hence the name ''Pondskater''. ''Skeeter'' doesn't sound like it involves water at all. And then we have articles such as [[Klamber]] and [[Scuttlebug]], which are more general versions of this kind of enemy by the looks of it. [[Klamber]], I'm not too thrilled that it is separate from [[Scuttlebug]], even though the article states it was once called a ''Scuttle Bug'', but that should be discussed on its own talk page and for another time. --{{User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig}} 22:14, 31 January 2016 (EST)
-::Well, they're based on water bugs. They may behave similarly, but they're not a generic species, and they look drastic enough to split. We're trying to sever the connection between the ''Super Mario Sunshine'' creature and the Skeeter because there is no evidence for one. Meanwhile, we're still keeping the connection between the ''New Super Mario Bros.'' creature and Skeeter but we treat the ''New Super Mario Bros.'' creature as a derived species rather than the same species. As for Klamber vs. Scuttlebug, not exactly sure what's going on, but there have been few arguments to remerge them, on the grounds that "Klamber" is the Prima name while "Scuttlebug" is the Nintendo Player's Guide name, and the Nintendo Player's Guide usually gets priority, so it should be renamed. It seems that it hasn't advanced beyond that, though. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 16:03, 1 February 2016 (EST)