Editing Talk:Sidestepper

This page should be combined with [[crab]] page, minus the Donkey kong crabs as they have no apparent connection.  The fact that Japanese sidesteppers use the generic name crab seems Nintendo meant for them to be the same species.
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:No it shouldn't. They are officially named Sidesteppers in North America unlike a lot of the other crab species, so it gets so be separated. {{User:Reversinator/sig}}
::Even though the ''Brawl'' trophy implies that in English, they aren't just called crabs, but literally "Mr. Crab" in Japan. Whether all "Crabs" referred to as such in English are separate from the Sidesteppers or not in Japan is another story, but definitely not all Crabs are Sidesteppers and therefore the pages shouldn't be merged. --[[User:Grandy02|Grandy02]] 12:01, 10 January 2010 (EST)

== Add game appearances table ==

--[[File:DyeffersonAzSignature.png|link=User:DyeffersonAz]] ([[User talk:DyeffersonAz|talk]]) 15:23, 1 September 2018 (EDT)
:Those seem to mostly be being phased out. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 15:35, 1 September 2018 (EDT)
::How, Doc? --[[File:DyeffersonAzSignature.png|link=User:DyeffersonAz]] ([[User talk:DyeffersonAz|talk]]) 19:14, 1 September 2018 (EDT)
:::Why? They're useful for listing chronological appearances, something our history sections don't do. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 19:22, 1 September 2018 (EDT)
::::With {{User|Bazooka Mario}}! --[[File:DyeffersonAzSignature.png|link=User:DyeffersonAz]] ([[User talk:DyeffersonAz|talk]]) 19:23, 1 September 2018 (EDT)
:::::I'm just reporting what I see. I seem to recall them being all over once upon a time, but now there's only a few. I think they're useful, myself. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 19:33, 1 September 2018 (EDT)
::::::Oh, so that's just a case of "the wiki is always incomplete". I think calling it "phased out" is inaccurate, more like "not a lot of edits adding these", but that makes sense because they take effort. So anyway, the game appearances table should be added. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 19:35, 1 September 2018 (EDT)
:::::::I suppose I had just never asked. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 19:36, 1 September 2018 (EDT)
::::::::I use it so much to know the track of '''THAT''' character specifically. I'll work on this character appearances table based on the history information. --[[File:DyeffersonAzSignature.png|link=User:DyeffersonAz]] ([[User talk:DyeffersonAz|talk]]) 19:40, 1 September 2018 (EDT)
:::::::::DID! --[[File:DyeffersonAzSignature.png|link=User:DyeffersonAz]] ([[User talk:DyeffersonAz|talk]]) 21:13, 1 September 2018 (EDT)
::::::::::All right. Try italicizing the game titles. Think like book titles. I also don't think the italics are needed on "cameo", so remove those, and capitalize. Also, remove the period in the ''Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga'' part, and remove the bold on ''Mario Kart 8'' (keep that italics, and I don't think it needs a link). I'd also remove the sentence at the beginning; the table by itself doesn't need further description. And there, the table should be done. See, wasn't so hard, right? {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 21:20, 1 September 2018 (EDT)
:::::::::::Did! --[[File:DyeffersonAzSignature.png|link=User:DyeffersonAz]] ([[User talk:DyeffersonAz|talk]]) 21:30, 1 September 2018 (EDT)

==''Mario Clash''?==
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Should the Sidestepper from ''Mario Clash'' be considered a normal Sidestepper or a variant? It may have the same English name, but it has a more "aggressive" design with spiked claws that block shells, and noticeably starts out walking forward instead of its usual sidestepping (doing that only when hit the first time). Its traditional attack pattern has also been altered - instead of simply moving faster when hit once, it turns to the side when it moves faster, but then slows down and stops if the player takes too long to hit it again, resetting its status. If split, that would mean that none of the original ''Mario Bros.'' enemy cast returned as-is in ''Mario Clash'', and it wouldn't be the only reused name for a different enemy in the game (see [[Para-Goomba (Mario Clash)|Para-Goomba]]). [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 15:20, March 10, 2020 (EDT)
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 ==''Mario Clash''?==
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 Should the Sidestepper from ''Mario Clash'' be considered a normal Sidestepper or a variant? It may have the same English name, but it has a more "aggressive" design with spiked claws that block shells, and noticeably starts out walking forward instead of its usual sidestepping (doing that only when hit the first time). Its traditional attack pattern has also been altered - instead of simply moving faster when hit once, it turns to the side when it moves faster, but then slows down and stops if the player takes too long to hit it again, resetting its status. If split, that would mean that none of the original ''Mario Bros.'' enemy cast returned as-is in ''Mario Clash'', and it wouldn't be the only reused name for a different enemy in the game (see [[Para-Goomba (Mario Clash)|Para-Goomba]]). [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 15:20, March 10, 2020 (EDT)
-:'cept Fireball and Icicle were given eyes-of-life by the art, so they're still a thing. I think the main idea you bring up is valid, though, particularly given Koopa Troopas are given visual callbacks to Shellcreeper, their own predecessor... [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 17:03, March 10, 2020 (EDT)
-::Well, Fire and Ice may be under the Enemy Characters section of the manual, but they are at the end and are both considered hazards instead of enemies ("''Along with other enemies, there are other hazards that will interfere with you.''"), and are also listed separately from enemies under Scoring. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 17:14, March 10, 2020 (EDT)
-I don't think so. [[Mario Clash]] Is not really much like the original classic. And with the way it is set up, it had to have an alteration. I think they only redesigned Sidestepper to fit with the look of the game. Game developers tend to try new designs sometimes. Take [[Klepto]] for example. In [[Super Mario Odyssey]], it is uglier than the original design, and has a new pattern. But's still called Klepto. And look, In Mario Tennis Aces, the design is, mostly, the same as the original. --[[User:Partier|Partier]] ([[User talk:Partier|talk]]) 14:59, August 16, 2020 (EDT)
-== Infobox image ==
-The image used in the infobox right now doesn't seem to be their modern design, which we normally use. I get the feeling this may be due to the fact that there seems to be no artwork of their modern design, should the image be a sprite/model of their modern design or leave it as is? [[User:Keyblade Master|Keyblade Master]] ([[User talk:Keyblade Master|talk]]) 14:27, July 6, 2020 (EDT)
-:Their design actually hasn't changed much at all; if you look at the MB arcade sprite, it's ''very'' close to their modern appearances. The main difference seems to be they aren't given an opportunity to get "mad" anymore, though we'll see if PMTOK changes that. Either way, artwork takes priority. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 15:07, July 6, 2020 (EDT)
-Speaking of, shouldn't the main image be changed back to the Spirit artwork seeing as that takes priority over the model currently in use? [[User:PrincessPeachFan|PrincessPeachFan]] ([[User talk:PrincessPeachFan|talk]]) 08:02, November 25, 2021 (EST)
-:That is an older design, and the image currently used is the modern design; that should take priority. {{User:Swallow/sig}} 08:32, November 25, 2021 (EST)
-: Then in that case, we should switch the Nipper Plant's artwork from it's Spirit artwork to Yoshi's Island DS because, technically speaking, the spirit design is an older design. [[User:PrincessPeachFan|PrincessPeachFan]] ([[User talk:PrincessPeachFan|talk]]) 13:05, November 25, 2021 (EST)