Editing Talk:Shoe Goomba

== Stiletto Goomba ==
I'd definitely hold off until Super Mario Maker 2 comes out, to see its Japanese name, to see if it deserves a split or not. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 09:16, May 31, 2019 (EDT)
:I'd rather see the big and winged varieties of the Goomba's Shoe get split out instead of that. After all, the stiletto is just an aesthetic change. {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 09:54, May 31, 2019 (EDT)
::Nope, the stiletto has a stronger stomp ability when given a mushroom, and its internal filename is https://pastebin.com/6M4gKbmt QueenKutsuKuribo. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 12:11, July 5, 2019 (EDT)
:::I'd support a split. {{User:Niiue/sig}} 05:18, July 18, 2019 (EDT)
::::A proposal decided them to be merged. However, until we have more proof that they're separate (besides the fact that it has a stronger stomp ability), they can be split. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 05:20, July 18, 2019 (EDT)
:::::The alternate form of the Goomba's Shoe object is apparently really called the "[[tcrf:Super Mario Maker 2#Removed Course Parts|Stiletto]]", but I don't know the name of the enemy itself as I haven't checked out the game yet. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 09:13, July 18, 2019 (EDT)
:::::Found it: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmiMX5myXxw&t=54s Stiletto Goomba]. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 11:13, July 23, 2019 (EDT)
::::::I've tried it, Stiletto Goombas crush more than the normal Shoe Goombas. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 15:08, August 5, 2019 (EDT)
:: I would vote for the split, as said above, the Stiletto Goomba is different than the Shoe Goomba and can crush blocks [[User:Daisy6|Daisy6]] ([[User talk:Daisy6|talk]]) 23:20, May 9, 2021 (EDT)
:Someone should add an internal names table now that it is possible.--[[User:Platform|Platform]] ([[User talk:Platform|talk]]) 15:07, June 14, 2022 (EDT)
:I checked ''Origami King'', and this game calls it "KuriboBoots" (Boots Goomba), according to the name and contents of <tt>romfs/script/wld/btl/enemy/etc/btl_enemy_KuriboBoots.bin.zst</tt>. ''Super Mario Maker 2'', in <tt>romfs/Message/ReferenceMsg_USen.szs/PartsIconName.msbt</tt>, uses <tt>KutsuKuribo_00</tt> for Shoe Goomba and <tt>KutsuKuribo_01</tt> for Stiletto Goomba. {{User:Scrooge200/sig}} 15:42, June 14, 2022 (EDT)
== Ice Skate Goomba ==
I think we should add an Ice Skate Goomba page, and list it as a derived species of this [[User:MarioLover54|MarioLover54]] 9:02 AM 7/31/2019

== Split Shoe and Stiletto variants ==

{{TPP}}
Per the discussion above. The Stiletto shoe is also stronger functionally when enlarged.

'''Proposer:''' {{User|FanOfYoshi}}<br>
'''Deadline:''' August 4 2023, 23:59 GMT
===Only split the shoes===
#{{User|TheUndescribableGhost}} Tough choice, but the Goombas act identically while the shoes are completely different.

===Only split Goombas===
===Split all===
#{{User|FanOfYoshi}} Per proposal.
#{{User|LinkTheLefty}} Honestly, I was pretty sure it was already decided at some point earlier on that ''Super Mario Maker''-exclusive derivatives aren't to split from their host subjects - unless they had their own unique names, which the stiletto variants [[#Stiletto Goomba|do]]. They seem about as different as stuff like the Fire Koopa Clown Car. The one thing I would add: [[Special:Diff/3908678|Goomba's Shoe]] should really be "[[Special:Diff/2769642|Shoe]]" now, according to the ''Super Mario Maker'' games at least.
#{{User|Hewer}} This is a variant with a different name, appearance and so on, why haven't we split this yet?
#{{User|Pseudo}} Per LinkTheLefty.
#{{User|MegaBowser64}} Per.
#{{User|TheFlameChomp}} This is similar to Fire Koopa Clown Car in that it has a unique name and behavior, so I think it makes sense to split.
#{{User|Mushroom Head}} Per all.
#{{User|PaperSplash}} Per TheFlameChomp.
#{{User|ThePowerPlayer}} Per all.

===Don't split anything===
<s>#{{User|MegaBowser64}} Stiletto Goomba already redirects here. I don't think we need to take any further action.</s>

===Comments===
I'm just sayin', the only other time I've heard stiletto was in "Party in the USA" and even then I thought it was a racial slur, so if I wanted to know about a Stiletto Goomba I would probably just search "Shoe Goomba". --[[User:MegaBowser64|BOWSER...]] ([[User talk:MegaBowser64|talk]]) 22:51, July 22, 2023 (EDT)
:Er. Ok. {{User:Mario/sig}} 03:57, July 23, 2023 (EDT)
::Now that's a piece of information i didn't know up until now, and i don't really know if i needed it... --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 04:20, July 23, 2023 (EDT)
:And you'd be in luck since there'd be a link to the Stiletto Goomba page on the Shoe Goomba page. But regardless, you aren't the only user on this wiki that we have to accommodate for, so specifically what you'd search for (especially given the circumstances are, uh, not widely applicable) isn't a very good argument. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 08:06, July 23, 2023 (EDT)
::Great minds think alike, listen to the same music, and guess what words mean in the same way, but ok I'm satisfied with a link. --[[User:MegaBowser64|BOWSER...]] ([[User talk:MegaBowser64|talk]]) 09:56, July 23, 2023 (EDT)
:::I don't think "assumes words they don't know are automatically slurs" would count there. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 10:08, July 23, 2023 (EDT)
::::You can never be too careful, or the cancel culture will getcha. But to get back on topic, I'll switch over my vote. --[[User:MegaBowser64|BOWSER...]] ([[User talk:MegaBowser64|talk]]) 12:05, July 23, 2023 (EDT)

Honestly, I have no idea where this "stiletto = racial slur" is coming from. I've heard of the word "stiletto" ages ago, and I had ''always'' associated the word with a high-heeled woman's shoe; the word is also commonly associated with knives and daggers and even switchblades (things I didn't even know until today!), but those aren't racial slurs either. [[Wikipedia:Stiletto (disambiguation)|Wikipedia's disambiguation page on "stiletto"]] doesn't really refer to any racial slurs either from what I can gather, and not even the crowdsourced (and rather crass) UrbanDictionary has linked "stiletto" to any racial slur at all. MegaBowser, this just sounds like you only assumed "stiletto" has to be a slur purely because it's a word you haven't heard before and didn't do any further research to it, even when it's pretty darn obvious they're talking about shoes (...or knives). Like, which races do you think get offended at this word?<br>Also, for the record, if "stiletto" ''was'' a racial slur after all, you'd think the cancel culture would've gotten Nintendo already back in 2015, when the original ''Super Mario Maker'' released. For goodness' sake, the Internet got mad at a ''[[Paper Mario: Color Splash]]'' demo because they thought it referenced GamerGate (instead of Watergate), and they also got mad at the ''[[Super Smash Bros. Ultimate]]'' demos in 2018 when Mr. Game & Watch's Side Smash still included the Native American feather of the Fire Attack sprite. They'll be able to spot ''anything'' that offends them in an instant, so the fact that no one criticized the use of the word "stiletto" in ''eight years'' should be proof that it isn't anything offensive. {{User:Arend/sig}} 18:03, July 23, 2023 (EDT)
:MegaBowser already acquiesced to the counterarguments and switched his vote. Best to leave it at that. {{User:Koopa con Carne/Sig}} 18:19, July 23, 2023 (EDT)
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 == Split Shoe and Stiletto variants ==
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 Per the discussion above. The Stiletto shoe is also stronger functionally when enlarged.