Editing Talk:Shadow (enemy)

==Shadow Siren==

Would it be worth noting in a trivia section that these enemies have a resemblance to the [[Shadow Sirens]] and [[Shadow Queen]]? --[[User:Tykyle|Tykyle]] 23:26, 23 December 2007 (EST)

== Enemy? ==

Since the Shadow (species) page was deleted, shouldn't the (enemy) in the title of this one be removed? [[User:Chat Man|Chat Man]] ([[User talk:Chat Man|talk]]) 20:57, 29 October 2017 (EDT)

:Maybe...? Normally I'd say yes, but maybe the ''(enemy)'' part should stay to differentiate from [[Shadow the Hedgehog]] and [[Shadow the Dog]].
:{{User:Ultimate Mr. L/sig}} 21:06, 29 October 2017 (EDT)

True, but there is no other character blatantly named shadow, and we can always add a distinguish if necessary. [[User:Chat Man|Chat Man]] ([[User talk:Chat Man|talk]]) 21:11, 29 October 2017 (EDT)

::Makes sense to me. I think you can go ahead and move it.
::{{User:Ultimate Mr. L/sig}} 21:29, 29 October 2017 (EDT)

== Rename Shadow back to {{fake link|Shadow (enemy)}}, and rename either [[Shadow (character)]] or [[Shadow (disambiguation)]] to {{fake link|Shadow}} in its place ==
{{TPP}}
[[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/62#Change full names of crossover characters to the more often used shortened versions in article titles|One particular proposal]] has determined that crossover characters should have their article names shortened to their most commonly used name. This led to Shadow the Hedgehog's article to be renamed to [[Shadow (character)]], resulting in the awkward current position of this well-known ''Sonic the Hedgehog'' character that's been a playable character in a variety of Mario and Sonic crossover games, being given inferiority over... some random ''Super Mario RPG'' enemy.

That's like if the [[Peach]] redirect was one to [[Peach (item)]] instead of [[Princess Peach]]. I'm pretty sure someone would more likely look for the Sonic character that was in a bunch of Mario games, over an enemy from one game's early dungeon, when they search for "Shadow".

To be fair though, said game's gotten a remake a year ago, so it might be recent enough to be in someone's mind still, and there might be precedence against giving a crossover character the priority here. So I have two options:
#Give Shadow the Hedgehog the priority
#Give our "Shadow" [[Shadow (disambiguation)|disambiguation page]] the priority
In any case, the current "Shadow" article should be moved to "Shadow (enemy)" (or "Shadow (Super Mario RPG)" in case we get another enemy named "Shadow"), because I don't think this minor enemy should be prioritized ''over'' a major crossover character (but, I'm okay with the two entities being given ''equal'' priority), hence the inclusion of the second option

'''Proposer''': {{User|Arend}}<br>
'''Deadline''': January 6, 2025, 23:59 GMT

===Option 1: Move the SMRPG enemy to "Shadow (enemy)", move Shadow (character) to "Shadow"===
#{{User|Arend}} Per proposal.

===Option 2: Move the SMRPG enemy to "Shadow (enemy)", move Shadow (disambiguation) to "Shadow"===
#{{User|Arend}} Also per proposal.
#{{User|Hewer}} A little surprised this needs a proposal but sure, I support this. [[Red]] and [[Ninja]] are good examples for precedent.
#{{User|LittleLum}} Per proposal.
#{{User|Jdtendo}} If there's no clear-cut way to tell which of the two Shadows is the more prominent subject, we might as well make "{{fake link|Shadow}}" a disambiguation page.
#{{User|Rykitu}} Per all.
#{{User|Technetium}} I still think we should just focus on a proposal to unshorten the names, but sure why not on this. Especially since I assume Shadow the Hedgehog would need to be listed on the Shadow disambiguation page too.
#{{User|FanOfYoshi}} Rename back to Shadow the Hedgehog!
#{{User|GuntherBayBeee}} Perhaps it would be great if there's a possibility to move [[Shadow (character)|Shadow]] to {{fake link|Shadow (''Sonic the Hedgehog'')|Shadow (Sonic the Hedgehog)}}.

===Option 3: Keep the SMRPG enemy as "Shadow"===

===Comments (Shadow)===
{{@|GuntherBayBeee}}, uh... Why are you so insistent on ''not'' naming it "Shadow the Hedgehog"? --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 09:01, January 3, 2025 (EST)
:What gave you that impression? He didn't mention the idea of that rename at all, and it's also not what this proposal is about. Again, that debate's been had [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/62#Change full names of crossover characters to the more often used shortened versions in article titles|quite a]] [[Talk:Shadow (character)#Rename to "Shadow"|few]] [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/69#Remove "Koopa" and other name particles from Koopaling article titles - take 2|times]] [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/71#Move "Princess Peach" and "Princess Daisy" to "Peach" and "Daisy"|already]], let's stay on topic this time. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 19:04, January 3, 2025 (EST)
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 == Rename Shadow back to {{fake link|Shadow (enemy)}}, and rename either [[Shadow (character)]] or [[Shadow (disambiguation)]] to {{fake link|Shadow}} in its place ==
-{{Settled TPP}}
+{{TPP}}
-{{Proposal outcome|passed|1-8-0|Move back to "Shadow (enemy)", rename "Shadow (disambiguation)" to "Shadow"}}
 [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/62#Change full names of crossover characters to the more often used shortened versions in article titles|One particular proposal]] has determined that crossover characters should have their article names shortened to their most commonly used name. This led to Shadow the Hedgehog's article to be renamed to [[Shadow (character)]], resulting in the awkward current position of this well-known ''Sonic the Hedgehog'' character that's been a playable character in a variety of Mario and Sonic crossover games, being given inferiority over... some random ''Super Mario RPG'' enemy.
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 {{@|GuntherBayBeee}}, uh... Why are you so insistent on ''not'' naming it "Shadow the Hedgehog"? --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 09:01, January 3, 2025 (EST)
 :What gave you that impression? He didn't mention the idea of that rename at all, and it's also not what this proposal is about. Again, that debate's been had [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/62#Change full names of crossover characters to the more often used shortened versions in article titles|quite a]] [[Talk:Shadow (character)#Rename to "Shadow"|few]] [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/69#Remove "Koopa" and other name particles from Koopaling article titles - take 2|times]] [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/71#Move "Princess Peach" and "Princess Daisy" to "Peach" and "Daisy"|already]], let's stay on topic this time. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 19:04, January 3, 2025 (EST)
-::I might have just misread/misinterpreted the comment then... --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 04:05, January 4, 2025 (EST)