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| ==Split Spoing, Sprangler and Klamber from Scuttle Bug== | | ==Split Spoing, Sprangler and Klamber from Scuttle Bug== |
| {{Settled TPP}} | | {{TPP}} |
| {{Proposal outcome|passed|5-0-0-0|split into separate articles}}
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| I was looking around the wiki when I noticed Vent's comment above: Spoings and Spranglers are not named Scuttle Bug in either the English or Japanese guide versions, which indicates that they are both separate enemies, regardless of appearances. The other comment he made was that Scuttle Bug/Klamber(currently Scuttle Bug due to naming priority policies) was named differently in Japan. Even though I believe that the English name takes priority over the Japanese name, I figured: "Why not just kill two birds with one stone?" I'm suggesting 4 courses of action here: | | I was looking around the wiki when I noticed Vent's comment above: Spoings and Spranglers are not named Scuttle Bug in either the English or Japanese guide versions, which indicates that they are both separate enemies, regardless of appearances. The other comment he made was that Scuttle Bug/Klamber(currently Scuttle Bug due to naming priority policies) was named differently in Japan. Even though I believe that the English name takes priority over the Japanese name, I figured: "Why not just kill two birds with one stone?" I'm suggesting 4 courses of action here: |
| 1.Split Both(Spoing/Sprangler into one article, Klamber into another) | | 1.Split Both(Spoing/Sprangler into one article, Klamber into another) |
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| 4.Do Not Split | | 4.Do Not Split |
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| '''Proposer:''' {{User|Vommack}}<br>
| | Proposer: {{User|Vommack}} |
| '''Deadline:''' November 3, 2012 23:59 GMT
| | Deadline: 3 November 2012 23:59 GMT |
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| ===Split Both=== | | ===Split Both=== |
| #{{user|Glowsquid}} - see comment below. | | #{{user|Glowsquid}} - see comment below. |
| #{{User|Marshal Dan Troop}} Per Glowsquid.
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| #{{User|Vommack}} Per Glowsquid.
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| #{{User|MarioManiac164}} Per all.
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| #{{User|Yoshi K}} [[Goomba|This article]] and [[Goomba (Super Mario World)|this article]] are split, why not these?
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| ===Split Spoing and Sprangler Only=== | | ===Split Spoing and Sprangler Only=== |
| | | #{{User|Vommack}} In the case of Spoing and Sprangler, no source refers to them as Scuttle Bugs;in the case of Klamber, the NA Nintendo Power guide takes priority over the Japanese guide(I believe-if I'm mistaken, please correct me.) |
| ===Split Klamber Only=== | | ===Split Klamber Only=== |
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| If a creature has a different name in the Jp script and looks/act reasonably different, they get a separate page even if the English name is the same (ex: [[Goomba (Super Mario World)]]). I feel the SMS "scuttle bug" looks and acts differently enough to be one of those cases. --[[User:Glowsquid|Glowsquid]] ([[User talk:Glowsquid|talk]]) 23:16, 20 October 2012 (EDT) | | If a creature has a different name in the Jp script and looks/act reasonably different, they get a separate page even if the English name is the same (ex: [[Goomba (Super Mario World)]]). I feel the SMS "scuttle bug" looks and acts differently enough to be one of those cases. --[[User:Glowsquid|Glowsquid]] ([[User talk:Glowsquid|talk]]) 23:16, 20 October 2012 (EDT) |
| :Alright, thanks for clearing that up. I'll change my vote.--[[User:Vommack|Vommack]] ([[User talk:Vommack|talk]]) 12:39, 21 October 2012 (EDT)
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| The only thing that I'm wondering about is the name of the page for the Klmaber/SMS Scuttle Bug. My guess is that it's name would be Scuttle Bug(SMS), based off its official NA name.--[[User:Vommack|Vommack]] ([[User talk:Vommack|talk]]) 16:17, 23 October 2012 (EDT)
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| I'm withdrawing my vote for the time being, as I want to clear up some concerns first.
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| #Why are you splitting Sproing and Sprangler into a combined article? If they're both officially named, don't they both deserve an article?
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| #As pointed out by Vommack above, the article concerning the Klamber will be named Scuttle Bug (Super Mario Sunshine), not Klamber, correct? That would be right by the Naming Policy. -- [[User:1337star|1337star]] ([[User talk:1337star|Mailbox SP]]) 16:58, 23 October 2012 (EDT)
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| :The SMS Scuttle Bug(That's it, that's what I'm calling it from here on out, whether you like it or not) should be called that, yes, and if that's what it takes, I think we can get Sproing and Sprangler separate articles.--[[User:Vommack|Vommack]] ([[User talk:Vommack|talk]]) 17:03, 23 October 2012 (EDT)
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| If ''any'' official name's different in ''any'' language, that gives us grounds to split something based on appearance, behaviour and/or ability differences between it and whatever subject it's currently grouped with. In this case, all three species have different names in ''both'' English and Japanese, and they all look different, so they should ''all'' get separate pages. Klamber's a teeny bit complicated because different guides say different things, but like translation conflicts, we should go with the guide that makes more sense, and that's Prima, although [[MarioWiki:Naming#Acceptable_Sources_for_Naming|the naming policy]] states that Nintendo Power gets priority for the title, making the new page "[[Scuttle Bug (Super Mario Sunshine)]]" (as others suggested already). [[Spoing]] and [[Sprangler]] are more straightforward: just move the info to the existing redirects; they should ''not'' be given one page to share because they're just as different from each other as from regular Scuttle Bugs, which is why I'm just commenting here, not supporting the faulty "Split Both" option. - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 18:26, 28 October 2012 (EDT)
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| :Scuttle Bug (Super Mario Sushine) is a definite, and since wiki policy requires it, I/we/whoever-it-comes-down-to will put the Spoing and Sprangler info on the redirects(addressed above, albeit briefly). --[[User:Vommack|Vommack]] ([[User talk:Vommack|talk]]) 21:18, 28 October 2012 (EDT)
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| ==Soooooo...==
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| Since Spoing and Sprangler the above were voted to be split, but never were split, should they be able to be split without a new proposal? [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 00:14, 6 October 2017 (EDT)
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| :Unless the opinion in the community has changed they should still be split. {{User|Chester Alan Arthur}}
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| ::As far as I know, nobody's ever discussed the issue since then, so they definitely should be split. {{User:Time Turner/sig}} 00:29, 6 October 2017 (EDT)
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| == Regarding this and [[Skeeter]]'s relationship ==
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| As far as SM64 goes, on land, Scuttle Bug and Skeeter are essentially a reskin. While I don't know what would happen if one were to artificially spawn a Scuttle Bug onto water (that's for one of you speedsters or modsters to try), for gameplay purposes in that game, Skeeter is an aquatic variety of Scuttle Bug. Scuttle Bug's analogue in ''Sunshine'', [[Klamber]], also very closely resembles the Skeeters in its game in appearance (note the eye structure and various lines) and odd durability. I suppose what I'm saying is that from what I can tell, Skeeter, Klamber, and those two ''Galaxy'' spiders all appear to be derivative of Scuttlebug here rather than just similar. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 23:10, May 5, 2024 (EDT)
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