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==Rename [[Rudy the Clown]] to [[Rudy]]== | ==Rename [[Rudy the Clown]] to [[Rudy]]== | ||
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As mentioned above on this talk page, the character is unnamed in his debut appearance, and was not named until ''[[Dr. Mario 64]]'' which called him "Rudy". A decade later, the character was mentioned in ''[[Fortune Street]]'' as "Rudy the Clown". (This wiki's use of "Rudy the Clown" predates the localization of ''Fortune Street'', so this is a possible case of citogenesis.) Because ''Fortune Street'' was localized by a party who may have been unaware that "the Clown" was not part of the character's name, I feel it reasonable to think we'd essentially be citing ourselves for it. | As mentioned above on this talk page, the character is unnamed in his debut appearance, and was not named until ''[[Dr. Mario 64]]'' which called him "Rudy". A decade later, the character was mentioned in ''[[Fortune Street]]'' as "Rudy the Clown". (This wiki's use of "Rudy the Clown" predates the localization of ''Fortune Street'', so this is a possible case of citogenesis.) Because ''Fortune Street'' was localized by a party who may have been unaware that "the Clown" was not part of the character's name, I feel it reasonable to think we'd essentially be citing ourselves for it. | ||
'''Proposer''': {{User|bwburke94}}<br /> | '''Proposer''': {{User|bwburke94}}<br /> | ||
'''Deadline''': | '''Deadline''': November 30, 2018, 23:59 GMT | ||
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#{{User|LinkTheLefty}} Fortune Street and its English translation was released after "Rudy the Clown" was made popular online. Unless we can find an earlier official source, "Rudy" should be used here. Citogenesis is still citogenesis, no matter which form it takes. The message of the ''Super Mario Encyclopedia'' proposal shouldn't end at Dark Horse. | #{{User|LinkTheLefty}} Fortune Street and its English translation was released after "Rudy the Clown" was made popular online. Unless we can find an earlier official source, "Rudy" should be used here. Citogenesis is still citogenesis, no matter which form it takes. The message of the ''Super Mario Encyclopedia'' proposal shouldn't end at Dark Horse. | ||
#{{User|Doomhiker}} Changing my vote, as due to the ''The Clown'' name was often used as a fan term before ''Fortune Street'' was even released, so as per what LinkTheLefty and Doc von Schmeltwick said, it probably is a case of citogenesis, even if it is a less extreme case that what happened with the ''Super Mario Encyclopedia''. | #{{User|Doomhiker}} Changing my vote, as due to the ''The Clown'' name was often used as a fan term before ''Fortune Street'' was even released, so as per what LinkTheLefty and Doc von Schmeltwick said, it probably is a case of citogenesis, even if it is a less extreme case that what happened with the ''Super Mario Encyclopedia''. | ||
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#{{User|Waluigi Time}} Per all. | #{{User|Waluigi Time}} Per all. | ||
#{{User|Tucayo}} - Per Alex. | #{{User|Tucayo}} - Per Alex. | ||
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:We also can't be certain if the name actually came from us. While there was overwhelming evidence for ''ESMB'', it's the one instance in ''Fortune Street''. They may not have used the wiki at all, there's not enough evidence that says they did. It's possible the Japanese script actually called Rudy a clown, or the English localizers tacked on "the Clown" to make it clear to players who and what Rudy is (the latter assuming they themselves knew who Rudy is). {{User:Alex95/sig}} 15:43, 17 November 2018 (EST) | :We also can't be certain if the name actually came from us. While there was overwhelming evidence for ''ESMB'', it's the one instance in ''Fortune Street''. They may not have used the wiki at all, there's not enough evidence that says they did. It's possible the Japanese script actually called Rudy a clown, or the English localizers tacked on "the Clown" to make it clear to players who and what Rudy is (the latter assuming they themselves knew who Rudy is). {{User:Alex95/sig}} 15:43, 17 November 2018 (EST) | ||
::I don't think the JP version mentioned him at all, and either way, he's just "a mysterious figure" over there. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 17:14, 17 November 2018 (EST) | ::I don't think the JP version mentioned him at all, and either way, he's just "a mysterious figure" over there. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 17:14, 17 November 2018 (EST) | ||