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==Rename [[Rudy the Clown]] to [[Rudy]]== | ==Rename [[Rudy the Clown]] to [[Rudy]]== | ||
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As mentioned above on this talk page, the character is unnamed in his debut appearance, and was not named until ''[[Dr. Mario 64]]'' which called him "Rudy". A decade later, the character was mentioned in ''[[Fortune Street]]'' as "Rudy the Clown". (This wiki's use of "Rudy the Clown" predates the localization of ''Fortune Street'', so this is a possible case of citogenesis.) Because ''Fortune Street'' was localized by a party who may have been unaware that "the Clown" was not part of the character's name, I feel it reasonable to think we'd essentially be citing ourselves for it. | As mentioned above on this talk page, the character is unnamed in his debut appearance, and was not named until ''[[Dr. Mario 64]]'' which called him "Rudy". A decade later, the character was mentioned in ''[[Fortune Street]]'' as "Rudy the Clown". (This wiki's use of "Rudy the Clown" predates the localization of ''Fortune Street'', so this is a possible case of citogenesis.) Because ''Fortune Street'' was localized by a party who may have been unaware that "the Clown" was not part of the character's name, I feel it reasonable to think we'd essentially be citing ourselves for it. | ||
'''Proposer''': {{User|bwburke94}}<br /> | '''Proposer''': {{User|bwburke94}}<br /> | ||
'''Deadline''': | '''Deadline''': November 30, 2018, 23:59 GMT | ||
====Support (Rename)==== | ====Support (Rename)==== | ||
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#{{User|Scrooge200}} Per all. | #{{User|Scrooge200}} Per all. | ||
#{{User|LinkTheLefty}} Fortune Street and its English translation was released after "Rudy the Clown" was made popular online. Unless we can find an earlier official source, "Rudy" should be used here. Citogenesis is still citogenesis, no matter which form it takes. The message of the ''Super Mario Encyclopedia'' proposal shouldn't end at Dark Horse. | #{{User|LinkTheLefty}} Fortune Street and its English translation was released after "Rudy the Clown" was made popular online. Unless we can find an earlier official source, "Rudy" should be used here. Citogenesis is still citogenesis, no matter which form it takes. The message of the ''Super Mario Encyclopedia'' proposal shouldn't end at Dark Horse. | ||
====Oppose (Do Not Rename)==== | ====Oppose (Do Not Rename)==== | ||
#{{User|Alex95}} - While it's possible the name came from us, the name is used in-game, so it's also perfectly valid (though perhaps the instance can be noted in trivia?). | #{{User|Alex95}} - While it's possible the name came from us, the name is used in-game, so it's also perfectly valid (though perhaps the instance can be noted in trivia?). | ||
#{{User|FanOfYoshi}} Per Alex95. | #{{User|FanOfYoshi}} Per Alex95. | ||
#{{User|Doomhiker}} Per Alex95. | |||
#{{User|Waluigi Time}} Per all. | #{{User|Waluigi Time}} Per all. | ||
#{{User|Tucayo}} - Per Alex. | #{{User|Tucayo}} - Per Alex. | ||
====Comments==== | ====Comments==== | ||
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:It should be noted that Square Enix appears to have outsourced the English translation to Keywords International Ltd. Rather than the localizer blessing the fanbase with a nod and a wink, it is much more likely that the translator just didn't have a Nintendo reference file at the moment and did a quick online search to get what seemed to be the official name for an obscure ''Wario'' villain that only gets a passing mention. The fact that it is in-game shouldn't matter (I'm fairly certain the same thing also happened to Cape''d'' Mario to a lesser extent). [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 13:53, 17 November 2018 (EST) | :It should be noted that Square Enix appears to have outsourced the English translation to Keywords International Ltd. Rather than the localizer blessing the fanbase with a nod and a wink, it is much more likely that the translator just didn't have a Nintendo reference file at the moment and did a quick online search to get what seemed to be the official name for an obscure ''Wario'' villain that only gets a passing mention. The fact that it is in-game shouldn't matter (I'm fairly certain the same thing also happened to Cape''d'' Mario to a lesser extent). [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 13:53, 17 November 2018 (EST) | ||
@Alex95 - Since the proposal is about the title and not citations, Rudy the Clown should still be worthy of trivia within the article. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 15:33, 17 November 2018 (EST) | @Alex95 - Since the proposal is about the title and not citations, Rudy the Clown should still be worthy of trivia within the article. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 15:33, 17 November 2018 (EST) | ||