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If anyone is wondering about the name it comes from GoNintendo.com [[File:Paperjorgesp.png]] [[User:Paper Jorge|PJ]] | If anyone is wondering about the name it comes from GoNintendo.com [[File:Paperjorgesp.png]] [[User:Paper Jorge|PJ]] | ||
:How does it come from there? {{User:Wayoshi/sig}} 23:50, 18 July 2007 (EDT) | :How does it come from there? {{User:Wayoshi/sig}} 23:50, 18 July 2007 (EDT) | ||
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==Concept Art: Keep or Delete?== | ==Concept Art: Keep or Delete?== | ||
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[[http://kinsmangames.wordpress.com/2010/03/07/the-secret-of-princess-rosalina/|This page]] suggests she is the daughter of Peach. [[User:YL/sig]]. | [[http://kinsmangames.wordpress.com/2010/03/07/the-secret-of-princess-rosalina/|This page]] suggests she is the daughter of Peach. [[User:YL/sig]]. | ||
In French version of Mario Galaxy, epilogue hint that Mario is her father : "I would like once every hundred years, back to my blue planet, and dozed on the knees of my dad stroking the mustache that made | In French version of Mario Galaxy, epilogue hint that Mario is her father : "I would like once every hundred years, back to my blue planet, and dozed on the knees of my dad stroking the mustache that made his pride." - Daneel | ||
==She in SSBB== | ==She in SSBB== | ||
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==Leave Category:Aliens in the Article== | ==Leave Category:Aliens in the Article== | ||
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According to the Aliens category, Aliens are: ''....creatures from outer space, or otherwise not originally from Mushroom World or Earth.'' | According to the Aliens category, Aliens are: ''....creatures from outer space, or otherwise not originally from Mushroom World or Earth.'' | ||
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Check out The Game Theorists, he just did a two part video on Rosalina: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JcK_Bfe3sw&list=PL35FE5C4B157509C9&index=2 | Check out The Game Theorists, he just did a two part video on Rosalina: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JcK_Bfe3sw&list=PL35FE5C4B157509C9&index=2 | ||
I think you will find the evidence very compelling. {{unsigned|SuperNovaXM}} | I think you will find the evidence very compelling. {{unsigned|SuperNovaXM}} | ||
== Infobox image == | == Infobox image == | ||
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==Deciding Rosalina's Infobox Picture== | ==Deciding Rosalina's Infobox Picture== | ||
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Recently, we have a slight edit war concerning Rosalina's infobox picture. Apparently, some of us are fine with the way she looks in the ''Super Mario Galaxy'' picture, otherwise, some of us want to change it because they see nothing wrong with it and besides, updating it to meet current games. I would like to stop this ridiculous edit war once and for all and settle this....like men (and women). | Recently, we have a slight edit war concerning Rosalina's infobox picture. Apparently, some of us are fine with the way she looks in the ''Super Mario Galaxy'' picture, otherwise, some of us want to change it because they see nothing wrong with it and besides, updating it to meet current games. I would like to stop this ridiculous edit war once and for all and settle this....like men (and women). | ||
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==Move [[Rosalina]] to [[Princess Rosalina]]== | ==Move [[Rosalina]] to [[Princess Rosalina]]== | ||
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So, I know that lots of users had proposed that, but once again I will propose it: Move Rosalina's page to ''"Princess Rosalina"''. I would say that because she '''is a princess''', and I'm not saying this because of her crown or even her dress. Her Super Mario Galaxy's bio states:{{br}}"Not much is known about Rosalina, the lonely princess who wanders the cosmos in the Comet Observatory, a giant starship that travels the celestial expanse. She is a great friend of the Luma, taking them in and caring for them as if they were her children. But there is a sadness behind her eyes. What has she lost out among the stars?" | So, I know that lots of users had proposed that, but once again I will propose it: Move Rosalina's page to ''"Princess Rosalina"''. I would say that because she '''is a princess''', and I'm not saying this because of her crown or even her dress. Her Super Mario Galaxy's bio states:{{br}}"Not much is known about Rosalina, the lonely princess who wanders the cosmos in the Comet Observatory, a giant starship that travels the celestial expanse. She is a great friend of the Luma, taking them in and caring for them as if they were her children. But there is a sadness behind her eyes. What has she lost out among the stars?" | ||
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::::Well nintendo normally likes to leave it upto the fans imagination, they hardly ever release any info on stuff like this or bother to make it. {{unsigned|94.14.123.173}} | ::::Well nintendo normally likes to leave it upto the fans imagination, they hardly ever release any info on stuff like this or bother to make it. {{unsigned|94.14.123.173}} | ||
:::::Unfortunately for fanon, this Wiki '''only''' covers officially confirmed information. [[User:MarioComix|MarioComix]] ([[User talk:MarioComix|talk]]) 21:48, 3 September 2014 (EDT) | :::::Unfortunately for fanon, this Wiki '''only''' covers officially confirmed information. [[User:MarioComix|MarioComix]] ([[User talk:MarioComix|talk]]) 21:48, 3 September 2014 (EDT) | ||
==Laura Faye Returns== | ==Laura Faye Returns== | ||
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==Decide Rosalina artwork== | ==Decide Rosalina artwork== | ||
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My proposal is simple: to decide what artwork should be used for Rosalina in her infobox at the top of the page. In a previous TPP, it was decided to use her ''Super Mario Galaxy'' (SMG) artwork, but it has been changed to her artwork from ''Mario Kart Arcade GP DX'' (MK). However, the artwork should be from her ''Super Mario Galaxy'' appearance for many reasons, the first having to do with technical aspects of the picture; the MK artwork has a white background, so Rosalina inside a white box inside a light green box, which looks unprofessional and slapped together; in her SMG artwork, however, there is no background. The second is that she is holding a wand in her SMG artwork, and the artwork for each character is to show his/her aspects and personality, so the wand shows readers at a first glance that she has some magical or mysterious aspect to her without reading a word of the article. She is also always depicted with this everywhere except in the ''Mario Kart'' series, due to the fact that she must drive with both hands. The last reason why her SMG artwork should be used is that SMG is a much more recognized and bigger game than MK: SMG has been release in almost every territory where the Wii is sold and has even become a Nintendo Select, whereas MK is an arcade game in Japan (and possibly the US, though even that is unsure); the MarioWiki article for SMG is also far more extensive than it is for MK, making SMG the definitive game. For all of these reasons, Rosalina's artwork for ''Super Mario Galaxy'' should be used for her infobox. | My proposal is simple: to decide what artwork should be used for Rosalina in her infobox at the top of the page. In a previous TPP, it was decided to use her ''Super Mario Galaxy'' (SMG) artwork, but it has been changed to her artwork from ''Mario Kart Arcade GP DX'' (MK). However, the artwork should be from her ''Super Mario Galaxy'' appearance for many reasons, the first having to do with technical aspects of the picture; the MK artwork has a white background, so Rosalina inside a white box inside a light green box, which looks unprofessional and slapped together; in her SMG artwork, however, there is no background. The second is that she is holding a wand in her SMG artwork, and the artwork for each character is to show his/her aspects and personality, so the wand shows readers at a first glance that she has some magical or mysterious aspect to her without reading a word of the article. She is also always depicted with this everywhere except in the ''Mario Kart'' series, due to the fact that she must drive with both hands. The last reason why her SMG artwork should be used is that SMG is a much more recognized and bigger game than MK: SMG has been release in almost every territory where the Wii is sold and has even become a Nintendo Select, whereas MK is an arcade game in Japan (and possibly the US, though even that is unsure); the MarioWiki article for SMG is also far more extensive than it is for MK, making SMG the definitive game. For all of these reasons, Rosalina's artwork for ''Super Mario Galaxy'' should be used for her infobox. | ||
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Did you seriously just link to a screencap of you falsely identifying yourself as a Mariowiki staff member --[[User:Glowsquid|Glowsquid]] ([[User talk:Glowsquid|talk]]) 16:12, 16 March 2015 (EDT) | Did you seriously just link to a screencap of you falsely identifying yourself as a Mariowiki staff member --[[User:Glowsquid|Glowsquid]] ([[User talk:Glowsquid|talk]]) 16:12, 16 March 2015 (EDT) | ||
::I'm an autoconfirmed user and i contribute to this site Everytime i can with proper information and content , with staff i don't mean i own the site , i mean i'm part of the people that gather information to complete articles in here.--[[User:Swiftie Luma|Swiftie Luma]] ([[User talk:Swiftie Luma|talk]]) 17:16, 16 March 2015 (EDT) | ::I'm an autoconfirmed user and i contribute to this site Everytime i can with proper information and content , with staff i don't mean i own the site , i mean i'm part of the people that gather information to complete articles in here.--[[User:Swiftie Luma|Swiftie Luma]] ([[User talk:Swiftie Luma|talk]]) 17:16, 16 March 2015 (EDT) | ||
:::Still doesn't make you staff: that title's reserved for promoted administrators, not any random old user who wants to increase their clout. [[ | :::Still doesn't make you staff: that title's reserved for promoted administrators, not any random old user who wants to increase their clout. [[MW:WP#Level_three_offenses|It's a warnable offense]], in fact. It's perfectly fine for editors to take the initiative and email voice actors and whatnot if they want, but don't lie to them: it potentially damaging to the wiki's credibility and reputation to have people masquerading as responsible authority figures, not to mention that it's inconsiderate to the person you're deceiving, insulting to your fellow editors who ''don't'' feel the need to embellish their titles, and disrespectful to those of us who have actually earned the right to call ourselves staff. - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 18:13, 16 March 2015 (EDT) | ||
::::If that's the case then please Excuse my behavior and excuse this misunderstanding , For that matter i personally believe that the best thing to do is the following , even if the email is actually true and all (you can always check this by emailing Kerri Kane): A) Updo Any edits on the matter recently, The page should be changed to reflect what the credits say. B) While i'm really sorry , i truly believe that this mistake i made is really Bad even if i didn't mean to , so i would like to know How to close my account in this wiki or whatever is similar to that , how do i do that? Should i PM an Admin? If so please , let me know so i can properly adress it. Sorry for the trouble! I was just trying to help , but i think i didn't do all the things right! Hopefully this will be enough to settle things :) --[[User:Swiftie Luma|Swiftie Luma]] ([[User talk:Swiftie Luma|talk]]) 18:39, 16 March 2015 (EDT) | ::::If that's the case then please Excuse my behavior and excuse this misunderstanding , For that matter i personally believe that the best thing to do is the following , even if the email is actually true and all (you can always check this by emailing Kerri Kane): A) Updo Any edits on the matter recently, The page should be changed to reflect what the credits say. B) While i'm really sorry , i truly believe that this mistake i made is really Bad even if i didn't mean to , so i would like to know How to close my account in this wiki or whatever is similar to that , how do i do that? Should i PM an Admin? If so please , let me know so i can properly adress it. Sorry for the trouble! I was just trying to help , but i think i didn't do all the things right! Hopefully this will be enough to settle things :) --[[User:Swiftie Luma|Swiftie Luma]] ([[User talk:Swiftie Luma|talk]]) 18:39, 16 March 2015 (EDT) | ||
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::How does that even work? Does that mean she is a [[Wikipedia:Deity|deity]] or something? --{{User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig}} 16:46, 3 May 2017 (EDT) | ::How does that even work? Does that mean she is a [[Wikipedia:Deity|deity]] or something? --{{User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig}} 16:46, 3 May 2017 (EDT) | ||
In case you are wondering, both the {{ | In case you are wondering, both the {{media link|EncyclopediaSMB - Characters pt2.jpg|Encyclopedia Super Mario Bros.}} and [[List of Rosalina profiles and statistics#Kids section of Nintendo Co., Ltd. site|the bio on the Kids section]] [https://www.nintendo.co.jp/kids/character/rosetta/index.html of NCL's site] confirm that she's a ''mysterious woman'', which is also what is stated [[List of Rosalina profiles and statistics#Flag Description (Wii U version)|in her bio in Mario & Sonic at the Rio 2016 Olympic Games]], with Mario Party Star Rush [[Character Museum#Character bios|calling her a ''mysterious lady'']] as well, just like [[List of Rosalina profiles and statistics#Miis' Dialogues (Wii U version)|one of the Miis' dialogues in the aformentioned Mario & Sonic game]]. The PRIMA guide is according to the policy a valid source and we cannot alter that without changing the Wiki policy altogether, but her being a princess is not stated in current bios. That this is another change in her depiction or just a mistake introduced at the time for various reasons such as her wearing a tiara is something we will have to clarify by looking at various Japanese bios, but for the moment I guess we can change the full name while still stating that according to the PRIMA guide and the Mario Kart 8 Direct she is a princess - we shouldn't remove the references just because they don't fit the current bios in my opinion.--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 18:09, 3 May 2017 (EDT) | ||
:No, I'm not saying we should remove the references; they are valid according to policy. I'm just trying to find an agreement: What should we classify Rosalina as? Official bios seem to stay away from the "princess" motif for the most part, so Prima is really the best we got in that sense. If we go off of in-game or Nintendo's official bios, "mysterious lady" or "Cosmic Guardian" are the best titles so far. | :No, I'm not saying we should remove the references; they are valid according to policy. I'm just trying to find an agreement: What should we classify Rosalina as? Official bios seem to stay away from the "princess" motif for the most part, so Prima is really the best we got in that sense. If we go off of in-game or Nintendo's official bios, "mysterious lady" or "Cosmic Guardian" are the best titles so far. | ||
:Honestly, I think the tiara/crown/whatever-that-is is a leftover from her initial design, when she was originally made out to be related to [[Princess Peach]] in some way, and I guess the devs just liked it as part of her character. Considering her relations to any other character was dropped, it makes Rosalina look like she's just trying to copy the other princesses. :P {{User:Alex95/sig}} 18:26, 3 May 2017 (EDT) | :Honestly, I think the tiara/crown/whatever-that-is is a leftover from her initial design, when she was originally made out to be related to [[Princess Peach]] in some way, and I guess the devs just liked it as part of her character. Considering her relations to any other character was dropped, it makes Rosalina look like she's just trying to copy the other princesses. :P {{User:Alex95/sig}} 18:26, 3 May 2017 (EDT) | ||
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Another piece of information. The 3DS app ''[[List of Mario references in Nintendo video games#Swapdoodle|Swapdoodle]]'' has those doodle lessons, where you draw Nintendo characters (which can be purchased from the shop). There is a purchasable Nintendo lesson pack called "Super Mario Princesses and Pals", which features lessons for drawing Peach, Toad, Rosalina, Daisy, Wario, Waluigi, Donkey Kong, Diddy Kong, Kamek, and Birdo. The description says:<br>''"It's the ultimate Super Mario doodle collection! You can learn to draw your favorite characters, such as the <big>Princesses</big> and <big>Donkey Kong</big>! You're invited to join the this huge gathering of Peach, Rosalina, and Daisy, along with Wario, Waluigi, and more!"''<br>I don't know if the "Princesses" part in the description refers to Peach, Daisy, and Rosalina.<br>When taking a Rosalina lesson, Nikki stated that she's a "mysterious girl who travels through space". But in a Daisy lesson, when completed, Nikki will say "Daisy is done! Draw her with Rosalina and Peach for a fun princess party! ☆", which definitely points to Rosalina's status of being a princess. - {{User:Infinite8/sig}} 13:02, 29 August 2018 (EDT) | Another piece of information. The 3DS app ''[[List of Mario references in Nintendo video games#Swapdoodle|Swapdoodle]]'' has those doodle lessons, where you draw Nintendo characters (which can be purchased from the shop). There is a purchasable Nintendo lesson pack called "Super Mario Princesses and Pals", which features lessons for drawing Peach, Toad, Rosalina, Daisy, Wario, Waluigi, Donkey Kong, Diddy Kong, Kamek, and Birdo. The description says:<br>''"It's the ultimate Super Mario doodle collection! You can learn to draw your favorite characters, such as the <big>Princesses</big> and <big>Donkey Kong</big>! You're invited to join the this huge gathering of Peach, Rosalina, and Daisy, along with Wario, Waluigi, and more!"''<br>I don't know if the "Princesses" part in the description refers to Peach, Daisy, and Rosalina.<br>When taking a Rosalina lesson, Nikki stated that she's a "mysterious girl who travels through space". But in a Daisy lesson, when completed, Nikki will say "Daisy is done! Draw her with Rosalina and Peach for a fun princess party! ☆", which definitely points to Rosalina's status of being a princess. - {{User:Infinite8/sig}} 13:02, 29 August 2018 (EDT) | ||
:I don't think the Swapdoodle lessons are quite explicit in categorizing Rosalina as a princess, but it should be supplementary information on top of the more explicit referrals. That last one should probably seal the deal along with the Sticker Book referral. I feel the potential argument that "it's princesses + Rosalina" is a reach that requires unnecessary assumptions. The other potential argument is that all statements on her princess status are always made when she's grouped with Peach and Daisy, but it's essentially the same "princess archetype" argument that I've deconstructed above. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 19:19, 29 August 2018 (EDT) | :I don't think the Swapdoodle lessons are quite explicit in categorizing Rosalina as a princess, but it should be supplementary information on top of the more explicit referrals. That last one should probably seal the deal along with the Sticker Book referral. I feel the potential argument that "it's princesses + Rosalina" is a reach that requires unnecessary assumptions. The other potential argument is that all statements on her princess status are always made when she's grouped with Peach and Daisy, but it's essentially the same "princess archetype" argument that I've deconstructed above. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 19:19, 29 August 2018 (EDT) | ||
== Rosalina's family == | == Rosalina's family == | ||
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This is in regards to the last sentence in Rosalina’s “Physical description” section. Is Rosalina ''physically'' with Mario at the end of Galaxy? The entire scene before he returns home makes it seem like she is speaking to him telepathically or the like. It, at least to me, never felt like the actual statures of Mario or Rosalina were altered from a literal sense. Plus Rosalina has never been shown to alter her size ''without'' the use of an item.{{unsigned|172.56.97.20}} | This is in regards to the last sentence in Rosalina’s “Physical description” section. Is Rosalina ''physically'' with Mario at the end of Galaxy? The entire scene before he returns home makes it seem like she is speaking to him telepathically or the like. It, at least to me, never felt like the actual statures of Mario or Rosalina were altered from a literal sense. Plus Rosalina has never been shown to alter her size ''without'' the use of an item.{{unsigned|172.56.97.20}} | ||
