Editing Talk:Refreshroom

== New name? ==
So, do we call this Mushroom (M&L) or something due to BiS's remake? [[User:PrincessPeachFan|PrincessPeachFan]] ([[User talk:PrincessPeachFan|talk]]) 22:54, July 9, 2023 (EDT)
:Depends on what the naming situation for the BiS item is in other languages. I sincerely doubt the minor quest item in PiT is the same as the giant healing item in BiS. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 07:06, July 10, 2023 (EDT)
:: You do have a point. The one in BiS has a regular Mushroom's appearance and restores Bowser's health by 50% which is most likely why it's called Mushroom in BiS's remake whereas the Refreshroom in PiT has a unique appearance and is used to cure Toadsworth's Shroomshock. [[User:PrincessPeachFan|PrincessPeachFan]] ([[User talk:PrincessPeachFan|talk]]) 12:55, July 10, 2023 (EDT)
:::Is it [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M35J4-0Wgk&t=396s this] [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTYZpGywFo8&t=537s thing]? Looks like it was originally under the name「かいふくキノコ」(''Kaifuku Kinoko'', Recover Mushroom). Maybe someone had fun with it to fit in space and forgot there was already a Refreshroom in the previous game? And then for some reason, the remake simplified it to「キノコ」(''Kinoko'', Mushroom). So, yes, the ''Partners in Time'' Refreshroom would seem to be different from the ''Bowser's Inside Story'' mushroom. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 17:30, July 21, 2023 (EDT)
::: Should we split this then? Reminds me of the ? Mushroom/Reverse Mushroom situation. [[User:PrincessPeachFan|PrincessPeachFan]] ([[User talk:PrincessPeachFan|talk]]) 09:52, July 23, 2023 (EDT)
:::: I think it should be split. Possibly with the "Kaifuku Kinoko" info being moved to [[Mushroom]]. [[User:Blinker|Blinker]] ([[User talk:Blinker|talk]]) 16:37, December 2, 2023 (EST)
==Split the Giant Bowser battle Refreshroom==
{{TPP}}
As one can see on the discussion above, this ''Bowser's Inside Story'' item was originally known in Japanese as かいふくキノコ (''Kaifuku Kinoko''), a different name from the ''Partners in Time''{{'}}s リフレッシュキノコ (''Refesh Kinoko''). This, along with a different appearance and different function set them apart from each other in all but English name, meaning the page should be split. Apart from originally having a unique name, the ''Bowser's Inside Story'' item looks like a Mushroom, acts like a Mushroom and is now called a Mushroom. Size differences aside, this means it probably fits better in the [[Mushroom]] article, where it is, oddly enough, already covered. If this proposal fails then information in the Mushroom article should be removed and kept in this article. For completion's sake I have also included here a list of the Refreshroom's names in different languages.
{| class="wikitable"
|+ Refreshroom names in other languages
|-
! Language !! ''Partners in Time'' !! ''Bowser's Inside Story''
|-
| French || Champicure || Champignon curatif
|-
| German || Pepp-Pilz || Frisch-Pilz
|-
| Italian || Rivitalfungo || Grande Fungo
|-
| Spanish || champialivio || Champiñón restaurador
|}

'''Proposer''': {{User|LadySophie17}}<br>
'''Deadline''': January 12, 2025, 23:59 GMT

====Move the Giant Bowser item to the Mushroom article====
#{{User|LadySophie17}} Per myself.
#{{User|Camwoodstock}} Per proposal. In addition, the Giant Bowser item is more like a standard Mushroom, while the ''PiT'' one is moreso a key item.
#{{User|Blinker}} Per proposal.

====Keep the Giant Bowser item in the Refreshroom article====

====Comments (Giant Bowser item)====
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 |-
 ! Language !! ''Partners in Time'' !! ''Bowser's Inside Story''
-|-
-| Japanese || リフレッシュキノコ<br>''Refresh Kinoko'' || かいふくキノコ<br>''Kaifuku Kinoko''
 |-
 | French || Champicure || Champignon curatif
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 '''Deadline''': January 12, 2025, 23:59 GMT
-===Move the Giant Bowser item to the Mushroom article===
+====Move the Giant Bowser item to the Mushroom article====
 #{{User|LadySophie17}} Per myself.
 #{{User|Camwoodstock}} Per proposal. In addition, the Giant Bowser item is more like a standard Mushroom, while the ''PiT'' one is moreso a key item.
 #{{User|Blinker}} Per proposal.
-#{{User|Sparks}} Per all.
-#{{User|PrincessPeachFan}} I pointed out the name change after all.
-#{{User|Hewer}} Makes sense.
-#{{User|ThePowerPlayer}} This is a very strange merge.
-===Keep the Giant Bowser item in the Refreshroom article===
-===Comments (Giant Bowser item)===
+====Keep the Giant Bowser item in the Refreshroom article====
-There's an argument to be made about merging the ''Partners in Time'' Refreshroom and [[Shroomshock]] into one page since they are so minor, but I don't want to make a proposal on that while this one is active, and I don't even know what that page would be called. {{User:LadySophie17/sig}} 17:01, December 29, 2024 (EST)
-:To be fair, there's a ''lot'' of random plot key items that don't really get much screentime and/or have lasting consequence in ''PiT''. The [[DS time radar]], the [[Aurora Block]], the [[Shroob missile]]... {{User:Camwoodstock/sig}} 17:04, December 29, 2024 (EST)
-No option to split it into its own page? [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 20:17, December 29, 2024 (EST)
+====Comments (Giant Bowser item)====
-:An option to make a page about an item that looks like a [[Mushroom]], heals you like a [[Mushroom]] and is most recently called a [[Mushroom]]? {{User:LadySophie17/sig}} 20:19, December 29, 2024 (EST)
-::That wasn't originally called a Mushroom, and is clearly much, much bigger than a standard Mushroom, yes. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 21:13, December 29, 2024 (EST)
-:::[[Rhythm Mushroom]] from the sequel to this game involves oversized Mushrooms and [[List of Mario & Luigi: Dream Team quotes|Prince Dreambert's quote page]] says the items from that move are Mushrooms. I think the Mushrooms are just scaling to match the combatants. Which they can do because it's a video game and scale doesn't really matter in fictional fantasy land. [[User:Salmancer|Salmancer]] ([[User talk:Salmancer|talk]]) 21:20, December 29, 2024 (EST)
-::::Don't know how exactly the ''BiS'' move works, but from the looks of things, the Rhythm Mushroom page is moreso about the action command than the mushrooms. {{User:Camwoodstock/sig}} 22:17, December 29, 2024 (EST)
-::::: The BIS item heals you for half your health, the Rhythm Mushroom heals you based on how you timed your taps. [[User:PrincessPeachFan|PrincessPeachFan]] ([[User talk:PrincessPeachFan|talk]]) 12:20, December 30, 2024 (EST)
-::::::Wait, is there not even an action command for the ''BiS'' one? {{User:Camwoodstock/sig}} 12:25, December 30, 2024 (EST)
-::::::: No, you tap the Refreshroom/Mushroom icon and then Giant Bowser pulls it out and eats it. [[User:PrincessPeachFan|PrincessPeachFan]] ([[User talk:PrincessPeachFan|talk]]) 12:26, December 30, 2024 (EST)
-::::::::The point I'm making is that Nintendo doesn't think the scaled up Mushrooms in this game's sequel used in the returning feature of Giant Battles need a name distinct from the normal sized Mushrooms that go in the player's inventory. Which, given this game's remake decided to rename this item Mushroom, would imply that if Refreshroom was distinct from Mushroom Nintendo changed their mind. [[User:Salmancer|Salmancer]] ([[User talk:Salmancer|talk]]) 13:05, December 30, 2024 (EST)
-@ThePowerPlayer: It's not exactly a strange merge. Evidently, someone at Nintendo decided to reuse the Partners in time name for the English version and then for the remake, it was renamed to Mushroom as it had a completely different look. [[User:PrincessPeachFan|PrincessPeachFan]] ([[User talk:PrincessPeachFan|talk]]) 13:00, January 6, 2025 (EST)