Editing Talk:Red Boo

==Article==
The ''[[Mario Party 4]]'' instruction manual calls them Red Boos-while other Instruction Manuals call them just Boos. If you notice carefully they look red too, not just pink.

What do we do? Change this article to Red Boo? Also notice there's also a lot of '''King Red/Pink Boos''' in ''[[Mario Party 7]]''. Just wnated to point out [[King Boo]] is not the only king of Boos. <span style="font-family:verdana; color:#red;"><font size="5">'''[[User:Paper Jorge|P]]'''[[User talk:Paper Jorge|aper]] '''[[User:Paper Jorge/sig|Jorge]]'''</font></span>

King Boo is not his own subspecie {{User:Knife/sig}}

Put your signature on. And just pointing that out! Let's talk about Red Boo shall we? <span style="font-family:verdana; color:#red;"><font size="5">'''[[User:Paper Jorge|P]]'''[[User talk:Paper Jorge|aper]] '''[[User:Paper Jorge/sig|Jorge]]'''</font></span>

*Super Mario Sunshine's Manual are stated as Pink Boos. Period. {{User:WarioLoaf/sig}}

::Just pointing something out. Thank you. <span style="font-family:verdana; color:#red;"><font size="5">'''[[User:Paper Jorge|P]]'''[[User talk:Paper Jorge|aper]] '''[[User:Paper Jorge/sig|Jorge]]'''</font></span>
*anytime {{User:WarioLoaf/sig}}

I know SMS has Pink Boos, but other games could have Red Boos. A split, maybe? -- [[User: Son of Suns|Son of Suns]]

:Hmm...I only noticed [[Mario Party 4]] calling them Red Boos...<span style="font-family:verdana; color:#red;"><font size="5">'''[[User:Paper Jorge|P]]'''[[User talk:Paper Jorge|aper]] '''[[User:Paper Jorge/sig|Jorge]]'''</font></span>

This is just like the case of the Bloober and Blooper situation. Just create a redirect from [[Red Boo]] and add info about its name change. The Boos in MP4 are clearly the same (or look the same) as the Pink Boos we have now.{{User:Knife/sig}}

:Okey dokey then. What about King Pink Boo? <span style="font-family:verdana; color:#red;"><font size="5">'''[[User:Paper Jorge|P]]'''[[User talk:Paper Jorge|aper]] '''[[User:Paper Jorge/sig|Jorge]]'''</font></span>

*Is there such thing? I thought King Boo was King of ALL Boos. {{User:WarioLoaf/sig}}

:There is such thing in a Mario Party game. There's a million of King Pink Boos too. <span style="font-family:verdana; color:#red;"><font size="5">'''[[User:Paper Jorge|P]]'''[[User talk:Paper Jorge|aper]] '''[[User:Paper Jorge/sig|Jorge]]'''</font></span>

*UH, Those are called BIG Pink Boos, no Crown, and your thinking of ''Booed off the Stage'', right? {{User:WarioLoaf/sig}}

No idea but they DID have crown...it was in ''Mario Party 7''... <span style="font-family:verdana; color:#red;"><font size="5">'''[[User:Paper Jorge|P]]'''[[User talk:Paper Jorge|aper]] '''[[User:Paper Jorge/sig|Jorge]]'''</font></span>
*Oh, then I havent played that one yet. Just got it for Christmas. Havent played it yet. {{User:WarioLoaf/sig}}

King Boo is not the king of ALL Boos. I know what Boo your talking about. Big Pink Boos is an incorrect name. First of all, they are not bigger than regular Pink Boos. Second of all, there is virtually no way to find out its canonical name, since they have stopped making official guidebooks for the MP series. In the Mini-Game description, it simply says "shoot the crowned Boos to get 3 points".

Also remember that there were many creatures like it, such as the Gold Goombas that were worth in "Royal Rumpus". See what I mean? Just DONT create a page, its useless.{{User:Knife/sig}}
*Hmmmm, mabey the crowned boos were Queen Boo and a couple of there royal family members.{{User:WarioLoaf/sig}}

The Pink Boo from Mario Party 6 is a female... So perhaps all male Boos are white (the ones in Gusty Gulch were probably like that because of their environment which made them dirty.), while most females are pink, but can be other colors in Bow's case or the female blue Boos from Paper Mario 2. --[[User:King Boo|King Boo]] 21:01, 2 August 2007 (EDT)

== Title ==

Where are they officially called "Pink Boo"s? I've seen them be called Red in official manuals and such, but never Pink. Please explain? <font face="Eurostile" size="3">[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#00008B">BNK</span>]]</font><sup> <nowiki>[</nowiki>[[Special:EditCount/Blue Ninjakoopa|E]]|[[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|T]]|[[Special:Contributions/Blue Ninjakoopa|C]]]</sup> 23:47, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

No Idea, but they were named Red Boos in the description of [[Boo-ting Gallery]]. {{User:Arend/Sig}}

== Pink or red ==

A Paragoomba and the Koopa Bros. moved Red Boo to Pink Boo because they are only called Red Boos in MP8. Doesn't our policy tell us to name the page after the most recent name? {{User:Banon/sig}} 09:40, 7 April 2013 (EDT)
:What? I don't understand. --{{User:A Paragoomba and the Koopa Bros./sig}} 07:49, 23 June 2013 (EDT)

==Super Mario Sunshine==
As seen [https://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Mister_Wu/30th_Anniversary_Books_Related_Questions&curid=213549&diff=2304273&oldid=2304190 here], the Japanese names for [[Boo Block]] and the SMS "Pink Boo" are the same. Even though it's more of an orange-pink, but whatever. This page's validity is questionable on a few accounts as it is, if it weren't for the Mario Party item I'd push for it to be merged with [[Boo]]. Aaaaaanyways, my point is, original creator's intent is that the SMS ones are the same as the things in SMW/YS. Yes they behave differently, but the Boos in this game don't care if you look at them, fly around meanderingly in upside-down arcs, look like they've had a little too many of the hotel's complementary margaritas, have curly tails, turn invisible over time and can be changed back with spraying, and are defeated with a jump. The slight behavioral difference regarding how they become blocks is paltry by comparison. As it currently is, the information that is linked to by other pages is on here, with a short reference of the [[Block Boo]] page, and I think it should be vice-versa. The page name should stay as "Block Boo," because "Pink Boo (block)" would only be valid for one game, though the YI blocks have pink stripes. Have I lost anyone? What does everyone else think? [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 23:32, 7 October 2017 (EDT)

:Anyone? I still think that section should be moved, based off of policy and logic. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 04:15, 5 November 2017 (EST)
::I'd be in favor of a merge. {{User:Niiue/sig}} 07:59, July 3, 2019 (EDT)
:::I'm not too sure about how to proceed. The enemies are off-model because of being made out of goop, but they work differently from the Boo Block. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 10:35, July 3, 2019 (EDT)
::::I agree with Doc and Niiue. The differences between Block Boo and this game's version of it are moot given how unusual the standard Boos are, and I should note that it's only called "Pink Boo" in the Prima guide, as "pink Boo" is used in the Versus Books and Nintendo Power guides. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 11:05, July 3, 2019 (EDT)
:::::We don't know wether the similarity to pink Boo is intended or coincidental. Out of curiosity, what's the internal filename? --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 10:03, July 6, 2019 (EDT)
::::::The block form itself is in <tt>root/data/scene/delfino0.szs/scene/mapobj/telesablock.bmd</tt>, but I think the model for the pink Boo is shared with the white one in the <tt>root/data/scene/delfino0.szs/scene/telesa</tt> folder. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 10:51, July 6, 2019 (EDT)

== Merge Sunshine info with [[Block Boo]] and have the "mainarticle" template be here instead ==

{{SettledTPP}}
{{ProposalOutcome|passed|7-0|merge}}

See above. The JP name for the Sunshine enemy is "Block Teresa," which is shared with Boo Block, and it essentially acts analogous to Boo Block given the nonstandard nature of Boos in the game.

'''Proposer:''' [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]])<br>
'''Deadline:''' February 26, 2020, 23:59 GMT

===Support===
#{{User|Doc von Schmeltwick}} Per above
#{{User|Alex95}} - Per proposal.
#{{User|Power Flotzo}} Per proposal.
#{{User|Niiue}} Per proposal.
#{{User|FanOfYoshi}} Per proposal. While it MIGHT be based on previous pink iterations, it's more likely that it's based off of the SMW ones.
#{{User|LinkTheLefty}} Pink Booposal.
#{{User|Doomhiker}} Per all.

===Oppose===

===Comments===

== Regarding this, the other colors, and the standard Boo page ==

So, somewhat tying into the above, we may want to seriously consider merging the rest of this page to the standard Boo page, along with Green, <s>Blue,</s> <small>(EDIT:oh wait "Blue Boo" is Boo Balloon)</small> and potentially Black Boos. As this article says, "They are treated and behave similarly to white Boos, with the only difference being their coloration in most depictions," along with having that big old part-conjecture template. Furthermore, the roles have been shown to vary amongst each other (with MP6's just being a valley girl version of the previous games' Boos), sometimes Red, Green, and Blue simply act the same but as a trio (much like the split [[Koopa Kid]]s, which share an article), and overall, this is primarily a color variant post-N64 to pre-Nd Cube ''Mario Party'' games used for variety's sake, with other appearances having even less reason to be split. Even the SMBDX thing is just a time trial gimmick that could easily share one page. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 03:46, October 22, 2020 (EDT)
:I absolutely agree that the Green, and Black Boos should be merged since they hardly made relevant appearance besides one and two appearance respectively and acted the same. Not even the actual "Blue Boos" from ''Mario Party Advance'' and ''Mario Party DS'' have an article nor does the "Yellow Boo" from ''Mario Party DS''. While its true that the Pink Boos are simply a color variation like most species and usually behaving exactly in almost every game. However, besides being the second most common Boo color in appearance in games with regular ones being the most common of course, Pink Boos had a purpose of being replacements to regular Boos due to Boo itself being playable since ''Mario Party 5'', the Pink Boos took the regular Boos old role as replacements of being background characters, obstacles on boards or mini-games, thieves of stealing coins and stars up until ''Mario Party DS'' due to Boo not appearing as a playable. I honestly don't know who made the Blue Boo article redirect to the Boo Balloon without a source like a manual calling them that alternatively. Also a side question is that even though I own ''Mario Party: The Top 100'' where did the Pink Boo cameo? I do find it funny were talking about this on a rather fitting month ironically. --[[User:KingGeoshiKoopshi64|KingGeoshiKoopshi64]] ([[User talk:KingGeoshiKoopshi64|talk]]) 03:33, October 23, 2020 (EDT)
::Probably just the cover art collection. As for the promotion to playability, the same could also be said of Koopa Kid, and for common-ness of colors, I'd consider that more along the lines of green and red Troopas, only with less consistency as to what is actually different. The only thing making me a bit uneasy regarding Black Boo is it is actually specifically referred to in the manual, and its JP name is "Dark Teresa" (shared with PM Dark Boo, maybe or maybe not by coincidence). [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 04:15, October 23, 2020 (EDT)
:::Thanks. I guess you have a point, even if the Pink Boos have appeared more and only one time outside the Mario Party series as a alternate player-2 color and besides the Boo Blocks from ''SMS''. Oh yeah I saw that in the manual for the legendary Black Boo. Is their a known Japanese name for the Green and Pink Boo in ''SMBDX''? Just curious really. --[[User:KingGeoshiKoopshi64|KingGeoshiKoopshi64]] ([[User talk:KingGeoshiKoopshi64|talk]]) 04:29, October 23, 2020 (EDT)
::::I don't know of any, but to be honest I imagine the English manual is directly translated from the JP one. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 04:35, October 23, 2020 (EDT)
:::::About the Dark Teresa I forgot to mention? Both ''SMBDX'' and ''TTYD'' Dark Boo have yellow eyes, have a close hue range from blue to purple, and both being the tougher opposite than the average Boo(s). But it could always be a coincidence like you said. However thinking about it maybe we should set a suggest merge for the two Dark Boos? --[[User:KingGeoshiKoopshi64|KingGeoshiKoopshi64]] ([[User talk:KingGeoshiKoopshi64|talk]]) 21:37, October 24, 2020 (EDT)
::::::I noted the yellow eyes as well, and while a merge would be possible, it seems less likely than say, Lava Piranha and Fire Piranha in my opinion. I'd like a bit more concrete proof, if possible. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 21:50, October 24, 2020 (EDT)
:::::::Oh good points there once again. I guess the best we could do is possibly have the Black Boo merge with the regular Boo since it is a color variant like Red/Pink and Green. It could always be a different "dark" boo too since its you know, lol. Its probably what Japan probably wanted to call it. --[[User:KingGeoshiKoopshi64|KingGeoshiKoopshi64]] ([[User talk:KingGeoshiKoopshi64|talk]]) 23:14, October 24, 2020 (EDT)
::::::::I feel like this article was mainly made because of the "Pink Boo" in ''Super Mario Sunshine'', but since that is now under Boo Block, it doesn't really make sense for Red Boo to be separate from Boo. Regarding Black Boo, ''Super Mario Bros. Deluxe'' was made for the western market and then brought to Japan a fair bit later through their Nintendo Power service, but I think same logic applies. Besides, it looks closer to Bomb Boo (as already noted in the article) than purple Dark Boo. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 10:19, October 25, 2020 (EDT)
:::::::::I think I remember it was considered to be a Pink Boo due to guide book calling them that to give this article its own relevant page before the discovered official name of the ''SMS'' incarnation of the Boo Block. I certainly agree that this article should merge to Boos'. The info of this article is pretty minor and it would fit nice in the game sections for Boos' article. Though the Black Boo first appeared way before the Boo Bomb made it's debut even if they resemble quite strongly. --[[User:KingGeoshiKoopshi64|KingGeoshiKoopshi64]] ([[User talk:KingGeoshiKoopshi64|talk]]) 11:53, October 25, 2020 (EDT)
::::::::::At this point, this is so true and I agree with all. All Boos should have a section to the article [[Boo]]. But how do we do that? [[User:Benjaminkirsc|Benjaminkirsc]] ([[User talk:Benjaminkirsc|talk]]) 20:58, October 30, 2020 (EDT)
:::::::::::Incorporate the colors for each game section, like anything else with color variation. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 21:51, October 30, 2020 (EDT)
::::::::::::Doc von I love that answer, thanks. [[User:Benjaminkirsc|Benjaminkirsc]] ([[User talk:Benjaminkirsc|talk]]) 08:46, November 1, 2020 (EST)

== Merge to Boo ==
{{TPP}}
I feel that the rest of this page, being a color variation, can reasonably be merged to the base Boo page. Not only is it almost exclusively ''Mario Party'' info, any time its role is substantially different from white Boos', it's not terrifically different from the red vs green Lakitus in ''Mario Kart 7'' and onwards. Also, the other SMBDX colors have already been merged.

'''Proposer''': {{User|Doc von Schmeltwick}}<br>
'''Deadline''': September 19, 2021, 23:59 GMT

===Support===
#{{user|Doc von Schmeltwick}} - Per
#{{User|Hewer}} Per proposal, this seems to just be a colour variation (something we normally don't split) and since the other coloured Boos are already merged this only makes sense.
#{{User|Somethingone}} As the person that merged Green Boo and Black Boo, I agree. Per Proposal.

===Oppose===
#{{User|Swallow}} Per Ray Trace's comment
#{{User|WildWario}} Per Swallow.
#{{User|Tails777}} Per Ray Trace's comment. The other colored Boos were something I agreed with, But Pink/Red Boos, which have played more specific roles in ''Mario Party'' especially, feel much more notable to remain split.
#{{User|Duckfan77}} Per all.
#{{User|Ray Trace}} Per my comment below. I think Pink Boos are more equitable to the recolored enemies from various RPG titles, especially since their names are proper nouns (called "Pink Boo" rather than "pink Boo", etc). Plus they're recurring elements in Mario Party series, and I think that makes a stronger case to keep the page as it is. We could propose a page clean-up though.

===Comments===
I'm a bit iffy about comparing this to red shell Lakitu, because unlike the playable Lakitu from Mario Kart, these Boos are certainly named differently (rather than called generic "Boos" for most entries, including Mario Party 4, 7, 8; though they were called generic Boos in 6, but the Pink Boo that steals Stars on the boards is inconsistently named, sometimes calling her a generic Boo, sometimes calling her Pink Boo) and had a specific gameplay role about them. Not to mention they both co-existed as board specific NPCs in Mario Party 4. So yeah, I think they warrant a page more than the other Boos do. {{User:Ray Trace/sig}} 03:27, September 5, 2021 (EDT)
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 == Merge Sunshine info with [[Block Boo]] and have the "mainarticle" template be here instead ==
-{{Settled TPP}}
+{{SettledTPP}}
-{{Proposal outcome|passed|7-0|merge}}
+{{ProposalOutcome|passed|7-0|merge}}
 See above. The JP name for the Sunshine enemy is "Block Teresa," which is shared with Boo Block, and it essentially acts analogous to Boo Block given the nonstandard nature of Boos in the game.
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 == Merge to Boo ==
-{{Settled TPP}}
+{{TPP}}
-{{Proposal outcome|passed|3-11-1|clean up}}
 I feel that the rest of this page, being a color variation, can reasonably be merged to the base Boo page. Not only is it almost exclusively ''Mario Party'' info, any time its role is substantially different from white Boos', it's not terrifically different from the red vs green Lakitus in ''Mario Kart 7'' and onwards. Also, the other SMBDX colors have already been merged.
-EDIT: Adding a "clean up page" option. This will just remove the SMBDX, Sunshine, Tennis, MPA, and MPDS info and leave the rest.
 '''Proposer''': {{User|Doc von Schmeltwick}}<br>
 '''Deadline''': September 19, 2021, 23:59 GMT
-===Merge===
+===Support===
 #{{user|Doc von Schmeltwick}} - Per
 #{{User|Hewer}} Per proposal, this seems to just be a colour variation (something we normally don't split) and since the other coloured Boos are already merged this only makes sense.
-#{{user|7feetunder}} Preferred over leaving as-is; per proposal.
+#{{User|Somethingone}} As the person that merged Green Boo and Black Boo, I agree. Per Proposal.
-===Clean up===
-#{{user|Doc von Schmeltwick}} - Per; second choice
-#{{user|7feetunder}} Per my comments below. The other ''SMBDX'' Boos were merged and the ''MT'' palette swap is no more notable than any of the other palette swapped characters in that game (or ''Mario Golf'', ''Smash Bros.'', etc.), so the article should at least be limited to covering the ones notable enough to warrant being split.
-#{{User|Ray Trace}} This I can get behind.
-#{{User|Archivist Toadette}} Per Ray Trace.
-#{{User|Swallow}} Per all
-#{{User|ShootingStar7X}} Per all.
-#{{User|Somethingone}} This does seem like the best of both worlds option. Per all.
-#{{User|WildWario}} Per all.
-#{{User|Tails777}} I can agree to this too. Per all.
-#{{User|KingGeoshiKoopshi64}} After some consideration. I have changed my mind and decided to go with this.
-#{{User|TheFlameChomp}} Per all.
 ===Oppose===
+#{{User|Swallow}} Per Ray Trace's comment
+#{{User|WildWario}} Per Swallow.
+#{{User|Tails777}} Per Ray Trace's comment. The other colored Boos were something I agreed with, But Pink/Red Boos, which have played more specific roles in ''Mario Party'' especially, feel much more notable to remain split.
 #{{User|Duckfan77}} Per all.
+#{{User|Ray Trace}} Per my comment below. I think Pink Boos are more equitable to the recolored enemies from various RPG titles, especially since their names are proper nouns (called "Pink Boo" rather than "pink Boo", etc). Plus they're recurring elements in Mario Party series, and I think that makes a stronger case to keep the page as it is. We could propose a page clean-up though.
 ===Comments===
 I'm a bit iffy about comparing this to red shell Lakitu, because unlike the playable Lakitu from Mario Kart, these Boos are certainly named differently (rather than called generic "Boos" for most entries, including Mario Party 4, 7, 8; though they were called generic Boos in 6, but the Pink Boo that steals Stars on the boards is inconsistently named, sometimes calling her a generic Boo, sometimes calling her Pink Boo) and had a specific gameplay role about them. Not to mention they both co-existed as board specific NPCs in Mario Party 4. So yeah, I think they warrant a page more than the other Boos do. {{User:Ray Trace/sig}} 03:27, September 5, 2021 (EDT)
-I think there should be a middle ground option to only merge the non-''Mario Party'' content, since that seems to be the main point of contention. That's what we did with the [[White Shy Guy]] from ''Yoshi's Story''. ([[Black Shy Guy]] also still needs cleaned up, but that effort seems to have gone on hiatus after the Anti Guy proposal failed to reach a consensus). The ''SMBDX'' incarnation is the same deal as the other colored Boos and the ''Mario Tennis'' one is just a playable character palette swap a la [[:File:Yoshi'sIslandMarioGolf.png|yellow Donkey Kong]] in ''Mario Golf.{{User:7feetunder/sig}} 18:05, September 5, 2021 (EDT)
-:How about cases like ''Mario Party DS'', though? It's MP, but isn't treated at all special. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 00:41, September 6, 2021 (EDT)
-::I don't know. Maybe exclude ''MPA'' and ''MPDS'' due to the generic portrayal in those games? I'm just trying to come up with a way to clean this page up, since right now this page has the same problem Black Shy Guy does, and if we can't convince the opposition to merge it entirely, it will stay that way if there's no third option. {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 01:11, September 6, 2021 (EDT)
-@Duckfan77 Everyone else that voted oppose changed their vote, you might want to change your reasoning if you're still voting oppose. [[User:Somethingone|Somethingone]] ([[User talk:Somethingone|talk]]) 09:43, September 9, 2021 (EDT)