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==Delete the "List of recipes by ingredient" pages ([[List of Tayce T. recipes by ingredient|Tayce T]], [[List of Zess T. recipes by ingredient|Zess T]], [[List of Saffron and Dyllis Recipes by ingredient|Saffron and Dyllis]])== | ==Delete the "List of recipes by ingredient" pages ([[List of Tayce T. recipes by ingredient|Tayce T]], [[List of Zess T. recipes by ingredient|Zess T]], [[List of Saffron and Dyllis Recipes by ingredient|Saffron and Dyllis]])== | ||
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What I said on the [http://www.marioboards.com/index.php?topic=29237.msg1664324#msg1664324 forums] is basically all I'd like to say on the subject. To put it simply, the pages are useless. Besides all the problems with the articles themselves, like the vast number of missing images and the terrible formatting, they're redundant due to the other recipe pages we have, which compiles all of the same information in a simpler format, and I simply do not see anyone specifically looking for what combinations could be made with a single item. Personally, I would rather have what items were needed to create an item I want than have that information scattered across multiple sections ''or'' see which items that item itself could create. If I wanted something related to, say, Life Shrooms, I'd either go to its actual page (the individual pages all cover the same info as the "recipe by ingredients" pages, so no information would be lost) or the main Recipe page; sorting them by ingredients is simply an unnecessary step. | What I said on the [http://www.marioboards.com/index.php?topic=29237.msg1664324#msg1664324 forums] is basically all I'd like to say on the subject. To put it simply, the pages are useless. Besides all the problems with the articles themselves, like the vast number of missing images and the terrible formatting, they're redundant due to the other recipe pages we have, which compiles all of the same information in a simpler format, and I simply do not see anyone specifically looking for what combinations could be made with a single item. Personally, I would rather have what items were needed to create an item I want than have that information scattered across multiple sections ''or'' see which items that item itself could create. If I wanted something related to, say, Life Shrooms, I'd either go to its actual page (the individual pages all cover the same info as the "recipe by ingredients" pages, so no information would be lost) or the main Recipe page; sorting them by ingredients is simply an unnecessary step. | ||
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== Delete this page. (while keeping the standalone List of 'chef' recipes) == | == Delete this page. (while keeping the standalone List of 'chef' recipes) == | ||
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Okay hear me, this page is a mess. Putting all the recipes from all the different games in one page is messy, [[List of Tayce T. recipes|The]] [[List of Zess T. recipes|Standalone]] [[List of Saffron and Dyllis recipes|lists]] are far more organized, and more updated. Besides, very few recipes are actually shared by multiple chefs. It's redundant and useless. Even some items are named differently per name, having them separated is the best. | Okay hear me, this page is a mess. Putting all the recipes from all the different games in one page is messy, [[List of Tayce T. recipes|The]] [[List of Zess T. recipes|Standalone]] [[List of Saffron and Dyllis recipes|lists]] are far more organized, and more updated. Besides, very few recipes are actually shared by multiple chefs. It's redundant and useless. Even some items are named differently per name, having them separated is the best. | ||
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==Move the chef-based pages to game-based titles== | ==Move the chef-based pages to game-based titles== | ||
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We currently have the pages [[List of Tayce T. recipes]], [[List of Zess T. recipes]], and [[List of Saffron and Dyllis recipes]]. With the middle game's subject getting a remake with some notable differences in its various systems, including recipes, and for consistency with other game-specific lists, I propose we rename these pages to {{fake link|List of ''Paper Mario'' recipes}} and so on to better allow for a separate page. Honestly, the fact that the third of those includes recipes from ''two'' characters is a bit eyebrow-raising in and of itself. Note that this will not affect the layout of the {{tem|Recipes}} navtemp, just the links. | We currently have the pages [[List of Tayce T. recipes]], [[List of Zess T. recipes]], and [[List of Saffron and Dyllis recipes]]. With the middle game's subject getting a remake with some notable differences in its various systems, including recipes, and for consistency with other game-specific lists, I propose we rename these pages to {{fake link|List of ''Paper Mario'' recipes}} and so on to better allow for a separate page. Honestly, the fact that the third of those includes recipes from ''two'' characters is a bit eyebrow-raising in and of itself. Note that this will not affect the layout of the {{tem|Recipes}} navtemp, just the links. | ||
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#{{user|Doc von Schmeltwick}} - Per | #{{user|Doc von Schmeltwick}} - Per | ||
#{{User|Mario}} Might be better for memory retention and wiki organization that people are more likely to know the game the recipes are from and not the chef person making it. | #{{User|Mario}} Might be better for memory retention and wiki organization that people are more likely to know the game the recipes are from and not the chef person making it. | ||
#{{user|Super Mario RPG}} People who are less familiar with the games will be able to locate the content more easily this way. | |||
#{{User|Hewer}} Sure, per proposal. | #{{User|Hewer}} Sure, per proposal. | ||
#{{User|Pseudo}} This makes lots of sense, especially from the perspective of a theoretical site visitor who hasn’t played the earlier Paper Mario games. | #{{User|Pseudo}} This makes lots of sense, especially from the perspective of a theoretical site visitor who hasn’t played the earlier Paper Mario games. | ||
===Oppose=== | ===Oppose=== | ||
===Comments=== | ===Comments=== | ||
==Merge the corresponding "chef-named meal" items to singular pages== | ==Merge the corresponding "chef-named meal" items to singular pages== | ||
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Across the first three ''Paper Mario'' games, there are certain recipes named after the chef who makes them (the exception being the localization for, ironically, the ''first'' game, though the original JP script still has this format) that are for all intents and purposes the same item, which are spread awkwardly across two or three pages while only sometimes linking to the others. Occasionally, the numbers of what is restored are different, but that happens with most of the non-Mushroom or -Syrup items across the games. Here's a list: | Across the first three ''Paper Mario'' games, there are certain recipes named after the chef who makes them (the exception being the localization for, ironically, the ''first'' game, though the original JP script still has this format) that are for all intents and purposes the same item, which are spread awkwardly across two or three pages while only sometimes linking to the others. Occasionally, the numbers of what is restored are different, but that happens with most of the non-Mushroom or -Syrup items across the games. Here's a list: | ||
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#{{user|Doc von Schmeltwick}} - Per | #{{user|Doc von Schmeltwick}} - Per | ||
#{{user|Blinker}} Per proposal. | #{{user|Blinker}} Per proposal. | ||
#{{user|Super Mario RPG}} Per proposal | |||
===Support: Newest first (not counting TTYD remake: Dyllis Dinner, Dyllis Special, Dyllis Deluxe, Zess Cookie, Dyllis Dynamite)=== | ===Support: Newest first (not counting TTYD remake: Dyllis Dinner, Dyllis Special, Dyllis Deluxe, Zess Cookie, Dyllis Dynamite)=== | ||
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#{{User|Jdtendo}} Just because some dishes play the same role does not mean that they are the same item. Even similar-looking dishes like the [[Zess Special]] and the [[Dyllis Special]] have different effects and are made from different ingredients in addition to having different names, and merging them would be more confusing than helpful. | #{{User|Jdtendo}} Just because some dishes play the same role does not mean that they are the same item. Even similar-looking dishes like the [[Zess Special]] and the [[Dyllis Special]] have different effects and are made from different ingredients in addition to having different names, and merging them would be more confusing than helpful. | ||
#{{User|Nightwicked Bowser}} Per all | #{{User|Nightwicked Bowser}} Per all | ||
===Comments=== | ===Comments=== | ||