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| Rainbow Road IS similar to Rainbow Dream! | | Rainbow Road IS similar to Rainbow Dream! |
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| Yes.{{User:Knife/sig}} 17:02, 29 July 2007 (EDT) | | Yes.{{User:Knife/sig}} 17:02, 29 July 2007 (EDT) |
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| Rainbow Coaster, Rainbow Downhill and Rainbow Road are all different courses. Therefore, they should have individual articles. {{Unsigned|DarkZero}} | | Rainbow Coaster, Rainbow Downhill and Rainbow Road are all different courses. Therefore, they should have individual articles. |
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| == Should We Mention == | | == Should We Mention == |
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| {{fake link|Rainbow Road (song)}} seems to hint that you go to Rainbow Road when you [[Game Over|die]]. Should this information be mentioned? {{User:P. Trainer/sig}} | | {{fakelink|Rainbow Road (song)}} seems to hint that you go to Rainbow Road when you [[Game Over|die]]. Should this information be mentioned? {{User:P. Trainer/sig}} |
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| :f-zero x is like 1080 in that they are "side projects" to the earlier mk64 and wave race. i figure nintendo decided mk was the only one of those four anyone cares about. [[Special:Contributions/75.177.119.25|75.177.119.25]] 19:26, 25 April 2014 (EDT)
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| ::Speaking of F-Zero X, why isn't that appearance covered in the article? --[[User:Reversalmushroom|Reversalmushroom]] ([[User talk:Reversalmushroom|talk]]) 02:52, 12 March 2015 (EDT)
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| == ''[[Mario Kart 7]]'' Rainbow Road? == | | == ''[[Mario Kart 7]]'' Rainbow Road? == |
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| That'd be it. At exactly what point from the beginning of the MKWii Rainbow Road's music does it contain the music from the SMGalaxy 1 Good Egg Galaxy BGM? I just cannot notice it. | | That'd be it. At exactly what point from the beginning of the MKWii Rainbow Road's music does it contain the music from the SMGalaxy 1 Good Egg Galaxy BGM? I just cannot notice it. |
| What specifications I'm looking for is "subject time-subject time," like "0:20-0:25." I just need to know.[[User:XaikuTheMaverickHunter|XaikuTheMaverickHunter]] 20:18, 11 November 2011 (EST) | | What specifications I'm looking for is "subject time-subject time," like "0:20-0:25." I just need to know.[[User:XaikuTheMaverickHunter|XaikuTheMaverickHunter]] 20:18, 11 November 2011 (EST) |
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| It's in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlAueP1Muug from 0:23-0:37
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| Reference: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8a9IjLXKEyM from 1:08-1:22
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| [[User:MarioComix|MarioComix]] 18:42, 12 November 2011 (EST)
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| == That Rainbow Road in MK7... ==
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| ...how do we know there is a Star Cannon? I don't see one. {{User:Lakituthequick/sig}} 03:59, 13 November 2011 (EST)
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| == Rainbow Bridge? ==
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| Could Rainbow Road possibly be based on Rainbow Bridge in Japan? http://www.kimonobox.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/rainbow.jpg --{{User:Lady Timpani/Sig}} 04:32, 25 December 2011 (EST)
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| == Double Dash!!'s Rainbow Road... ==
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| I was playing Mario Kart: Double Dash!! the other day, and I noticed that there are clouds in the reflection of the rainbow! The sun also can be seen in the reflection, but I found it very interesting that there were both daytime clouds and the sun reflected when it is night-time. Should we add this somehow to the article?? [[File:Purple.gif|35px]][[File:SMW2yoshi.gif|35px]] '''[[User:NinjaYoshi|NinjaYoshi]]''' [[File:blueyoshi.gif|35px]][[File:YI Red Yoshi Animated Sprite.gif|35px]]
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| If this is neat, we'll put it on there. [[User:WeHatePoisonMushrooms66|WeHatePoisonMushrooms66]] ([[User talk:WeHatePoisonMushrooms66|talk]]) 16:48, 7 October 2013 (EDT)
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| :See?? (Look at the reflection in the road on both!)
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| -[[File:Purple.gif|35px]][[File:SMW2yoshi.gif|35px]] '''[[User:NinjaYoshi|NinjaYoshi]]''' [[File:blueyoshi.gif|35px]][[File:YI Red Yoshi Animated Sprite.gif|35px]]
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| That looks like some nice reflections. [[User:WeHatePoisonMushrooms66|WeHatePoisonMushrooms66]] ([[User talk:WeHatePoisonMushrooms66|talk]]) 16:48, 7 October 2013 (EDT)
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| == Template ==
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| Is this needed anymore, the article looks complete and I think that without the template on it, it could be nominated to be a featured article {{User|Yoshi876}}
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| == SMK Remix? ==
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| I honestly cannot hear the SMK Rainbow Road music in Bowser's Galaxy Reactor. Can someone please show me a link to a comparison [video]? If not, it will have to be removed because it is only subjective and not a concrete fact. [[User:MarioComix|MarioComix]] ([[User talk:MarioComix|talk]]) 17:54, 16 August 2013 (EDT)
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| == Should we create an article for Rainbow Road in The Super Mario Bros. Movie? ==
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| It's because of the fact that it is a huge setting that will appear, and will have an importance to the plot. Also, if we have articles for the ones in the ''[[Mario Kart (series)|Mario Kart]]'', then why not this? [[User:MarioBobfan2007'snewaccount|MarioBobfan2007'snewaccount]] ([[User talk:MarioBobfan2007'snewaccount|talk]]) 22:26, March 22, 2023 (EDT)
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| :We do have a general [[Rainbow Road]] article, so I think it should be covered there. Every incarnation of Rainbow Road in Mario Kart get their own articles for being unique race tracks, same with Bowser's Castle. {{User:Swallow/sig}} 22:33, March 22, 2023 (EDT)
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| OK. [[User:MarioBobfan2007'snewaccount|MarioBobfan2007'snewaccount]] ([[User talk:MarioBobfan2007'snewaccount|talk]]) 22:35, March 22, 2023 (EDT)
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| ==Include Rainbow Coaster & Rainbow Downhill back in the article==
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| {{Proposal outcome|failed|6-9|don't include}}
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| This decision was made almost two decades ago, and it doesn't feel right at all. What are Rainbow Coaster and Rainbow Downhill if not Rainbow Roads? I propose that we include them back in the article. --[[User:Conradd|Conradd]] ([[User talk:Conradd|talk]]) 02:39, April 29, 2024 (EDT)
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| '''Proposer''': {{User|Conradd}}<br>
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| '''Deadline''': <s>May 28th, 2024, 23:59 GMT</s> June 4th, 2024, 23:59 GMT
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| ===Support===
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| #{{User|Conradd}} per proposal.
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| #{{User|SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)}} Rainbows? Check. Roads? Check. Rainbow Roads? By logic, yes.
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| #{{User|Camwoodstock}} ...We're struggling to even say anything intelligent here, because realistically, we should've done this long ago. This might be in the running for longest piece of Wiki Jank™ born from a random decision way, way back when. Per proposal--it's a Rainbow, it's got a Road, and they're clearly the Arcade GP analogues to the Rainbow Roads.
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| #{{User|Arend}} <s>Just as [[Mario Highway]] (and by extension [[Mario Beach]]), as well as [[Splash Circuit]] from DX, are essentially Arcade GP (DX)'s iterations of [[Mario Circuit]],</s> the same can be said about Rainbow Coaster and Rainbow Downhill are iterations of Rainbow Road. Per all.
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| #{{User|MarioComix}} Rainbow Coaster and Downhill at least deserve a mention on the main article. It's a similar case to [[Petey Piranha]] and [[Petea Piranha]], they are treated as distinct entities so deserve their own articles. However, Petea is clearly designed as a derivative of Petey, so there's a mention on Petey's article about Petea. I think that after the gallery of Rainbow Roads, there should be a statement like: "In the ''Mario Kart Arcade GP'' games, two courses similar to Rainbow Road have appeared:" And then put the gallery of Rainbow Coaster and Downhill, so that it's parallel formatting to the rest of the ''Mario Kart'' series section; or don't, if they're considered separate.
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| #{{User|FanOfRosalina2007}} Per all.
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| ===Oppose===
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| #{{User|Hewer}} They're obviously based on Rainbow Road and should probably get more of a mention on this article, but I feel the different names could show an intention to consider them a different thing, as the Arcade games' separate take on Rainbow Road, so I'm slightly in favour of erring on the side of caution and opposing here. Similarly, [[Mario Circuit]] only covers courses named as such, excluding courses with very similar themes and roles like [[Luigi Circuit]], [[Peach Circuit]], [[Toad Circuit]], and [[Mario Kart Stadium]] due to their different names (to pre-empt any Mario Raceway arguments, it counts because it's called Mario Circuit in Japanese and sometimes English). A rainbow road isn't necessarily a Rainbow Road.
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| #{{User|Ahemtoday}} Per Hewer — I think they should be mentioned on this article but not included in the main list alongside courses actually named "Rainbow Road".
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| #{{User|Shadow2}} Rainbow Coaster is Rainbow Coaster, Rainbow Downhill is Rainbow Downhill. Neither are Rainbow Road, otherwise they'd be called "Rainbow Road".
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| #{{User|Tails777}} Per Hewer. A mention should definitely happen, but the different names definitely say they're not meant to be treated as the same trend.
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| #{{User|Ray Trace}} I can see both sides here but I'm leaning on this side.
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| #{{User|Nintendo101}} Per all. Probably worth mentioning, but if they wanted them to be Rainbow Roads, they probably would have referred to them as such.
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| #{{User|Blinker}} Per all.
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| #{{User|MegaBowser64}} Purr all
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| #{{User|Power Flotzo}} Per everyone.
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| @Arend: We don't consider any of those courses to be Mario Circuits to my knowledge (and why should we?), so that argument doesn't really make sense. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 13:58, May 14, 2024 (EDT)
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| :I think he has a point. [[User:SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)|SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)]] ([[User talk:SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)|talk]]) 16:47, May 14, 2024 (EDT)
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| In what capacity would we be including these? In with the other ''Mario Kart'' Rainbow Roads? [[User:Ahemtoday|Ahemtoday]] ([[User talk:Ahemtoday|talk]]) 04:18, May 15, 2024 (EDT)
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| :Hmmm.. I never really thought about that. [[User:SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)|SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)]] ([[User talk:SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)|talk]]) 08:23, May 15, 2024 (EDT)
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| ::This doesn't answer my question. [[User:Ahemtoday|Ahemtoday]] ([[User talk:Ahemtoday|talk]]) 14:05, May 16, 2024 (EDT)
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| :Based on how the page was before the decision that the proposal mentions to remove the Arcade ones, presumably yes. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 15:59, May 16, 2024 (EDT)
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| @MarioComix: I agree with that, but that's not what the proposal is proposing. The proposal is to count Rainbow Coaster and Rainbow Downhill as just being Rainbow Roads outright, like we [https://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=Rainbow_Road&direction=prev&oldid=357213 used to do]. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 12:23, May 20, 2024 (EDT)
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| :Actually, the name of this proposals is specifically: ''"Include Rainbow Coaster & Rainbow Downhill back in the article,"'' and Conradd specifically states: ''"I propose that we include them back in the article."'' "Include" could mean a variety of things in this context; it ''could'' mean what you said and treat them the exact same as all the other Rainbow Roads, but it could also be interpreted as mentioning them on the page or include them in a separate gallery list. I do wish Conradd could elaborate more on the subject, since, like his [[Template talk:Themes#Composers subsection|other proposal]], he's kinda vague about the whole ordeal, but he hasn't been active since he made these proposals in the first place. {{User:Arend/sig}} 12:36, May 20, 2024 (EDT)
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| ::Very good point. Why so vague, {{@|Conradd}}? [[User:SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)|SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)]] ([[User talk:SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)|talk]]) 12:46, May 20, 2024 (EDT)
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| ::The proposal brings up "This decision made almost two decades ago", which leads me to believe it does mean counting them as Rainbow Roads outright since that's the way they were treated before that decision. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 14:40, May 20, 2024 (EDT)
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| :::Yeah, same here. [[User:SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)|SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)]] ([[User talk:SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)|talk]]) 15:08, May 20, 2024 (EDT)
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| ::::From my perspective (not necessarily with all the context), the "decision" made two decades ago could also just be referring to splitting them out of the current article (with no mention except for the disambiguation text). Regardless, I stand by my recommended course of action, and currently Supporting the proposal seems to fill that bill. If it turns out that, no, we must specifically treat them as Rainbow Roads with different names, then I would change my vote. But as it stands, the current article not even mentioning the two Rainbow Road-inspired courses seems incomplete <s>(on a side note, it's also missing the [[Rainbow Road (Mario Kart Live: Home Circuit)|Rainbow Road]] from ''Live: Home Circuit'')</s>. [[User:MarioComix|MarioComix]] ([[User talk:MarioComix|talk]]) 01:29, May 21, 2024 (EDT)
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| :::::...Except it's...''not'' missing the Rainbow Road from ''Live: Home Circuit'', though? It's placed right inbetween the RMX Rainbow Roads from ''Tour''. Or am I missing something here? {{User:Arend/sig}} 01:33, May 21, 2024 (EDT)
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| :::::So we both want the same thing to happen, but are voting for opposite choices in the proposal...this is confusing. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 03:16, May 21, 2024 (EDT)
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| ::::::Oh, well clearly I'm blind about the ''Home Circuit'' Rainbow Road. Anyhow, yeah, I suppose it depends on the proposal-maker clarifying their intent for the proposal. But taken at their word as-is, I believe Rainbow Coaster and Downhill should be included back in the article, in some capacity. [[User:MarioComix|MarioComix]] ([[User talk:MarioComix|talk]]) 04:16, May 21, 2024 (EDT)
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| :::::::Rainbow Coaster & Downhill are Rainbow Roads. If we exclude them, we would have to exclude SMG2 "Rainbow Road". [[User:SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)|SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)]] ([[User talk:SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)|talk]]) 08:50, May 21, 2024 (EDT)
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| ::::::::What me and MarioComix both want to happen is to include them on the article but not in the main list of Mario Kart Rainbow Roads, like what's done with SMG2 Rainbow Road. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 11:16, May 21, 2024 (EDT)
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| :::::::::Yeah, but still...[[User:SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)|SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)]] ([[User talk:SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)|talk]]) 13:31, May 21, 2024 (EDT)
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| ::::::::::Still ''what''? That's not an argument. 13:41, May 21, 2024 (EDT) {{Unsigned|Ahemtoday}}
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| :::::::::Actually, I don't think the SMG2 situation really applies here. That ''is'' a Rainbow Road in a non–Mario Kart game. These tracks ''aren't'' Rainbow Roads and ''are'' in Mario Kart games, so they shouldn't get their own section or anything, just a mention in the Mario Kart section (but not an inclusion in the list of images). Something like "''Mario Kart Arcade GP'' does not feature a Rainbow Road, but instead features Rainbow Coaster and Rainbow Downhill, which are also rainbow-colored floating tracks that serve as the final challenge of the game." [[User:Ahemtoday|Ahemtoday]] ([[User talk:Ahemtoday|talk]]) 13:41, May 21, 2024 (EDT)
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| ::::::::::Ok, really? What is a Rainbow Road? Rainbows, check. Road, check. That's basically it. SMG2 Rainbow Road? Fits both criteria. Rainbow Coaster & Rainbow Downhill? Fits both criteria. [[User:SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)|SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)]] ([[User talk:SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)|talk]]) 14:16, May 21, 2024 (EDT)
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| :::::::::::I'd say the criteria is actually being identified officially as a Rainbow Road. Like I said in my vote, a rainbow road isn't necessarily a Rainbow Road, and I don't see why they would've called them Rainbow Downhill and Rainbow Coaster if they just intended them to be normal Rainbow Roads. They could be based on Rainbow Road without actually being Rainbow Road. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 17:11, May 21, 2024 (EDT)
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| ::::::::::To be fair, the missions for the Rolling Coaster Galaxy ''do'' refer to a Rainbow Road.<br>Also, I would probably rephrase <s>Hewer's</s> Ahemtoday's example sentence to say "While ''Mario Kart Arcade GP'' does not feature any courses named Rainbow Road, it instead features Rainbow Coaster and Rainbow Downhill, which are similar to Rainbow Road, as they are also rainbow-colored, floating tracks that serve at the final challenge of the game." Or, anything to say that while they aren't ''literally'' named "Rainbow Road", they are very clearly ''based'' on Rainbow Road.<br>Now that I think about it, I feel like [[Mario Highway]]/[[Mario Beach]] and [[Splash Circuit]]/[[Tropical Coast]] could have similar mentions on the Mario Circuit article (especially since the latter courses from ''Arcade GP DX'' literally has "Mario Circuit" plastered on the starting banner). {{User:Arend/sig}} 14:35, May 21, 2024 (EDT)
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| :::::::::::Again, see this: "Ok, really? What is a Rainbow Road? Rainbows, check. Road, check. That's basically it. SMG2 Rainbow Road? Fits both criteria. Rainbow Coaster & Rainbow Downhill? Fits both criteria." <!--This is still relevant. -->[[User:SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)|SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)]] ([[User talk:SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)|talk]]) 14:43, May 21, 2024 (EDT)
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| ::::::::::::I don't know what else I would have to respond here, I was just listing a reason why Ahemtoday would consider the SMG2 Rainbow Road a Rainbow Road but not Rainbow Coaster or Rainbow Downhill, in response to ''that exact sentence''. And, well, [[The Rainbow Road Roll|two]] [[Purple Coins on the Rainbow Road|missions]] on this galaxy actually using the "Rainbow Road" name is a strong confirmation on that being a Rainbow Road; so Ahemtoday is using the name basis as <s>evidence</s> divider. I don't know why you couldn't get that the first time I said this, this feels a little like that Crazy Wario situation the other day. {{User:Arend/sig}} 14:54, May 21, 2024 (EDT)
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| ::::::::::::::Yeah, but the name basis was also both the reason for the OG file name AND the reason for the move. [[User:SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)|SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)]] ([[User talk:SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)|talk]]) 14:57, May 21, 2024 (EDT)
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| :::::::::::::::Look, all I did was explaining why AHEMTODAY doesn't consider them Rainbow Roads, so if anything, you should argue with HIM about it; not with ME. {{User:Arend/sig}} 15:02, May 21, 2024 (EDT)
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| :::::::::::::::Yeah, Arend has it right. Anyway, what do you mean when you say "the OG file name"? What is "the move", in this context? [[User:Ahemtoday|Ahemtoday]] ([[User talk:Ahemtoday|talk]]) 15:08, May 21, 2024 (EDT)
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| ::::::::::::::::He's most likely referring to [[:File:WarioMK64 lose.png]], then named {{fake link|File:Crazy Wario.png}}, since I mentioned that situation earlier here. {{User:Arend/sig}} 15:13, May 21, 2024 (EDT)
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| :::::::::::::::::Yeah, it was originally named {{fake link|File:Crazy Wario.png}}, but then it was I moved it to {{fake link|File:MK64 Wario Losing.png}}, but then it was moved from there to [[:File:WarioMK64 lose.png|this]]. [[User:SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)|SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)]] ([[User talk:SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)|talk]]) 15:20, May 21, 2024 (EDT)
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| ::::::::::::::::::Right, yes, I see. I don't see how the reasons behind that move are relevant here, though. [[User:Ahemtoday|Ahemtoday]] ([[User talk:Ahemtoday|talk]]) 15:39, May 21, 2024 (EDT)
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| :::::::::::::::::::I only mentioned the case because, like here, SONIC123 seems to repeat the same argument as though anything I said didn't answer anything, leading me to elaborate on the same argument I brought up, as seen [[File talk:WarioMK64 lose.png|here]]. I think SONIC123 didn't quite understand that and brought up the filename and it being moved as if that's relevant to the names of the Rainbow Roads, which I think are otherwise irrelevant to this situation, so I suppose I should've elaborated on the Crazy Wario situation. {{User:Arend/sig}} 16:43, May 21, 2024 (EDT)
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| ::::::::::::::::::::That's my reading of the situation, as well. [[User:Ahemtoday|Ahemtoday]] ([[User talk:Ahemtoday|talk]]) 16:57, May 21, 2024 (EDT)
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| ::::::::::Yeah I agree with them not being Rainbow Roads, I just meant they're like SMG2 Rainbow Road in the sense that they're something that should be included/mentioned on the article but outside the main list of Mario Kart Rainbow Roads. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 17:04, May 21, 2024 (EDT)
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| :::::::::::If they're not Rainbow Roads, then neither is the SMG2 location. [[User:SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)|SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)]] ([[User talk:SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)|talk]]) 08:10, May 22, 2024 (EDT)
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| ::::::::::::The reason we call the SMG2 Rainbow Road a Rainbow Road is that it's called Rainbow Road. Rainbow Coaster and Rainbow Downhill are names that are not Rainbow Road. [[User:Ahemtoday|Ahemtoday]] ([[User talk:Ahemtoday|talk]]) 11:50, May 22, 2024 (EDT)
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| :::::::::::::But names aren't everything. [[User:SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)|SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)]] ([[User talk:SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)|talk]]) 17:09, May 22, 2024 (EDT)
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| ::::::::::::::When it comes to inclusion on an article about locations that all share the same name, yes they are. [[User:Ahemtoday|Ahemtoday]] ([[User talk:Ahemtoday|talk]]) 21:13, May 22, 2024 (EDT)
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| :::::::::::::::Then we shouldn't have [[N64 Mario Raceway]] with [[Mario Circuit]] under that logic. [[User:SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)|SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)]] ([[User talk:SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)|talk]]) 08:44, May 23, 2024 (EDT)
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| ::::::::::::::::As Hewer's already stated, that course is indeed named Mario Circuit in the original Japanese. [[User:Ahemtoday|Ahemtoday]] ([[User talk:Ahemtoday|talk]]) 11:09, May 23, 2024 (EDT)
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| :::::::::::::::While names may not be everything in every case, if they aren't the defining factor here, then what is? Pretty much the only thing connecting all the Rainbow Roads on the article besides their names is that they're some kind of floating rainbow-coloured path, and I'd be shocked if there weren't more of those in the franchise not covered here because they're not called Rainbow Road. Again, a rainbow road isn't necessarily a Rainbow Road. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 14:48, May 23, 2024 (EDT)
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| ::::::::::::::::A Mario circuit isn't necessarily a Mario Circuit too. [[User:SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)|SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)]] ([[User talk:SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)|talk]]) 15:47, May 23, 2024 (EDT)
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| :::::::::::::::::...yeah? You ''do'' realize that's agreeing with us, right? [[User:Ahemtoday|Ahemtoday]] ([[User talk:Ahemtoday|talk]]) 16:30, May 23, 2024 (EDT)
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| ::::::::::::::::::If a Mario circuit isn't necessarily a Mario Circuit, then we'd have to remove Mario Raceway. Names aren't everything. [[User:SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)|SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)]] ([[User talk:SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)|talk]]) 16:33, May 23, 2024 (EDT)
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| :::::::::::::::::::For the third time: in the original Japanese, Mario Raceway is named Mario Circuit. [[User:Ahemtoday|Ahemtoday]] ([[User talk:Ahemtoday|talk]]) 16:48, May 23, 2024 (EDT)
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| ::::::::::::::::::::1, ONLY in the original Japanese? 2 (if the answer to 1 is yes), just having it named Mario Circuit in 1 language is not something that a argument should be based on. 3(regardless of the answer to 1), names aren't everything. [[User:SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)|SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)]] ([[User talk:SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)|talk]]) 16:52, May 23, 2024 (EDT)
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| :::::::::::::::::::::The Japanese, simplified Chinese, traditional Chinese, Korean, and Russian terminology for Mario Raceway and other "Raceway" courses is identical to the term used for the "circuit" courses of other games. Even if they ''weren't'', these games are developed by Japanese people, not Germans or Spaniards or Anglophones, so it would be culturally shortsighted to prioritize foreign languages' names over the Japanese ones for this purpose. And "names aren't everything" doesn't magically become true the third time you say it because '''they absolutely are'''. It's not working. Stop saying it. [[User:Ahemtoday|Ahemtoday]] ([[User talk:Ahemtoday|talk]]) 17:12, May 23, 2024 (EDT)
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| ::::::::::::::::::::::Fine, merge the "raceway" courses with their "circuit" counterparts in a way like so we have a page like Rainbow Road or Mario Circuit. [[User:SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)|SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)]] ([[User talk:SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)|talk]]) 21:03, May 23, 2024 (EDT)
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| :::::::::::::::::::::::We already have. [[User:Ahemtoday|Ahemtoday]] ([[User talk:Ahemtoday|talk]]) 22:12, May 23, 2024 (EDT)
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| ::::::::::::::::::::::::Really? I'm pretty sure there's at least one that's not. [[User:SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)|SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)]] ([[User talk:SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)|talk]]) 09:15, May 24, 2024 (EDT)
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| :::::::::::::::::::::::::Nope, Mario Raceway is a [[Mario Circuit]] and Luigi Raceway is a [[Luigi Circuit]]. The only one of MK64's oddly translated "raceways" that isn't on one of these collective articles is Royal Raceway (Peach Circuit), but that's because there's only one other Peach Circuit course, and two courses sharing a name isn't enough to have a collective article about them, otherwise we'd need one for Sherbet Land, Wario Stadium, and (going by Japanese names) Sky Garden. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 09:34, May 24, 2024 (EDT)
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| ::::::::::::::::::::::::::For Wario Stadium, what about Waluigi Stadium? "...and two courses sharing a name isn't enough to have a collective article about them..." Yeah, and 2 games isn't enough for a series. Tell that to [[Mario + Rabbids (series)]]. [[User:SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)|SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)]] ([[User talk:SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)|talk]]) 09:50, May 24, 2024 (EDT)
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| :::::::::::::::::::::::::::What ''about'' Waluigi Stadium? It's just another case of two courses sharing a name. If your argument is that we should count the Waluigi Stadiums as Wario Stadiums, I strongly disagree, for the same reason Luigi Circuit, Toad Circuit, and Mario Kart Stadium aren't Mario Circuit, and, indeed, Rainbow Coaster and Rainbow Downhill aren't Rainbow Road. And game series articles are a totally irrelevant case with no relation whatsoever to what I said or to this discussion, you're clearly reaching for arguments now. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 10:29, May 24, 2024 (EDT)
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| ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::Ok, now you're trying to get me angry. You've seen my arguments, I've seen yours, why are you just picking them apart like a scientist when that's not how it should be? [[User:SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)|SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)]] ([[User talk:SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)|talk]]) 10:31, May 24, 2024 (EDT)
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| :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::...What? I'm not "trying to get you angry", I am pointing out the flaws in the arguments you've given. That's what a debate is. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 10:37, May 24, 2024 (EDT)
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| ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::And I'm pointing out your flaws, but you keep ignoring that. I say names aren't everything, but you still argue/debate as if names are everything. [[User:SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)|SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)]] ([[User talk:SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)|talk]]) 10:40, May 24, 2024 (EDT)
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| :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::I'm not ignoring your arguments, I'm making counterarguments to them (which is what you were just complaining about). To that end, I already addressed the "names aren't everything" idea above: "While names may not be everything in every case, if they aren't the defining factor here, then what is? Pretty much the only thing connecting all the Rainbow Roads on the article besides their names is that they're some kind of floating rainbow-coloured path, and I'd be shocked if there weren't more of those in the franchise not covered here because they're not called Rainbow Road. Again, a rainbow road isn't necessarily a Rainbow Road." {{User:Hewer/sig}} 10:51, May 24, 2024 (EDT)
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| ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::And when I said "names aren't everything", I mean we don't cover things but have the organization based off of names alone, which is what the oppose side is using. [[User:SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)|SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)]] ([[User talk:SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)|talk]]) 12:49, May 24, 2024 (EDT)
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| :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::Once again, already addressed: "While names may not be everything in every case, if they aren't the defining factor here, then what is?" It's true that not ''everything'' on the wiki has its organisation solely determined by the name, but in this case, this is an article about a recurring (type of) location where the very thing that defines it is the "Rainbow Road" name, and everything else varies between iterations. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 13:02, May 24, 2024 (EDT)
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| ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::Ok, how about the criteria I put? Rainbow Coaster AND Rainbow Downhill are both rainbows AND roads. [[User:SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)|SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)]] ([[User talk:SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)|talk]]) 13:29, May 24, 2024 (EDT)
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| :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::Hewer has addressed this several times, but you haven't addressed it yet: there are a lot of things that are both rainbows and roads in the ''Mario'' series. Do not tell me you think it would be worthwhile for this article to cover [[Rainbow Ride]], all nine [[Rainbow Course]]s, [[Rainbow Skywalk]], [[Rainbow Run (level)|Rainbow Run]], and [[Rainbow Dream]]. [[User:Ahemtoday|Ahemtoday]] ([[User talk:Ahemtoday|talk]]) 15:03, May 24, 2024 (EDT)
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| ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::None of those are roads, so even though they're rainbows, they're not Rainbow Roads. [[User:SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)|SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)]] ([[User talk:SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)|talk]]) 15:11, May 24, 2024 (EDT)
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| :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::Oh, convenient. Personally, I fail to see how linear paths made of rainbows are not roads that are also rainbows. [[User:Ahemtoday|Ahemtoday]] ([[User talk:Ahemtoday|talk]]) 15:22, May 24, 2024 (EDT)
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| ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::Oh, so you think SIDEWALKS are roads because they're linear paths? [[User:SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)|SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)]] ([[User talk:SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)|talk]]) 15:44, May 24, 2024 (EDT)
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| Ok I'll reset the indent because these comments are starting to get cut off on my screen. Anyway, I fail to see what possible definition of "road" you could be using that includes everything currently on the Rainbow Road article but excludes everything Ahemtoday mentioned. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 15:51, May 24, 2024 (EDT)
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| :I don't want to get caught up in litigating the definition of a "road", so I'll say: maybe the difference is that Rainbow Roads are named "Rainbow Road". [[User:Ahemtoday|Ahemtoday]] ([[User talk:Ahemtoday|talk]]) 17:04, May 24, 2024 (EDT)
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| ::But race courses that are both Rainbows and roads like Rainbow Coaster aren't Rainbow Roads. Who's to say the intent WAS to have them be the MKAGP/2/DX/VR equivalents of Rainbow Road!? [[User:SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)|SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)]] ([[User talk:SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)|talk]]) 18:09, May 24, 2024 (EDT)
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| :::If they're only Rainbow Road '''equivalents''', then they're not Rainbow Roads. [[User:Ahemtoday|Ahemtoday]] ([[User talk:Ahemtoday|talk]]) 18:25, May 24, 2024 (EDT)
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| ::::We have zero stake in this--we remain firmly in the camp of "if we can acknowledge the movie, we should at least put the Arcade GP Rainbow courses ''somewhere'' here instead of just the See also up top"--but to play devil's advocate: is Mario Raceway the "equivalent" to a Mario Circuit? And is that a question that actually has any meaningful answer beyond personal semantics? {{User:Camwoodstock/sig}} 18:58, May 24, 2024 (EDT)
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| :::::Mario Raceway is a Mario Circuit outright in the original Japanese. [[User:Ahemtoday|Ahemtoday]] ([[User talk:Ahemtoday|talk]]) 19:49, May 24, 2024 (EDT)
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| ::::::At the risk of Devil's Advocate-ing a bit too close to the sun: Say ''Mario Kart 9'' drops, and at the end of that game's Special Cup, the course is '''not''' directly named "Rainbow Road", instead being called something like "Rainbow Circuit" or something similar starting with "Rainbow" and ending with another word--it is based upon Rainbow Road both visually and in terms of gameplay, but it is not called "Rainbow Road". It is also not called Rainbow Road in Japanese. Ignoring how this would basically never happen if Nintendo made a ''Mario Kart 9'' for a moment, would we exclude this track from this article just on the name alone?<br>On a less Devil's Advocate-y note, though, we do think it's worth noting that Special Cup just flat-out does not exist in the Arcade GP games; the [[Rainbow Cup]] that features these two Rainbow Road-likes more-or-less fully replaces it. {{User:Camwoodstock/sig}} 22:27, May 24, 2024 (EDT)
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| :::::::I mean, yeah, that sounds like exactly the same situation as Rainbow Coaster and Rainbow Downhill, so I think we'd do the same thing with "Rainbow Circuit" as well. [[User:Ahemtoday|Ahemtoday]] ([[User talk:Ahemtoday|talk]]) 02:00, May 25, 2024 (EDT)
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| :::::I've been arguing from the start that we should include more of a mention of Rainbow Coaster and Rainbow Downhill on the article on account of them obviously being based on Rainbow Roads, but with different names to indicate they are not themselves Rainbow Roads. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 19:53, May 24, 2024 (EDT)
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| ::::::Let me offer my two cents that should settle this debate about "Rainbow Roads and rainbow roads". On this Wiki, the technical semantics are currently highly-valued for Wiki policy and consistency. That is, a "Big Goomba" is not the same as a "Goomba". As a result, a rainbow road doesn't directly make it a Rainbow Road. So, "Big Goomba" exists on its own page and any Big Goomba-specific information can be left on its own page. However, Big Goomba can still be mentioned on Goomba's page; for example, in the ''[[Goomba#Super Mario Bros. Wonder|Super Mario Bros. Wonder]]'' section of Goomba's page, the Goomba variants are mentioned. So, there's no point in debating this here, unless you want the Goomba page to include ''all'' Goomba-related information, including Big Goombas, Bone Goombas, etc. (And to be clear, I still believe this Rainbow Road page should mention Rainbow Coaster and Downhill in its main body.) [[User:MarioComix|MarioComix]] ([[User talk:MarioComix|talk]]) 02:03, May 25, 2024 (EDT)
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| :::::::Yeah, that's a great way to explain it. [[User:Ahemtoday|Ahemtoday]] ([[User talk:Ahemtoday|talk]]) 02:20, May 25, 2024 (EDT)
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| :::::::Again, just to be clear, I agree with you and also want the same thing to happen. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 04:00, May 25, 2024 (EDT)
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| Since Conradd never elaborated what he specifically meant by "inclusion", nor had come up on the wiki at all (let alone return to his proposal to explain) in the past few weeks since creating this proposal, I am unsure what would happen if this proposal ''fails''. He never elaborated on whether supporting his proposal means Rainbow Coaster and Rainbow Downhill will be treated the exact same as all other Rainbow Roads or it just needs to be mentioned; which means he ''also'' never elaborated on ''opposing'' it whether means if it can still be mentioned or is entirely forbidden on the page. Basically, he never elaborated on if the options are a hard support/oppose or soft support/oppose.<br>I almost feel inclined to simply mention Rainbow Coaster and Rainbow Downhill the same way [[Special:Diff/4224936|I mentioned Mario Highway/Mario Beach and Splash Circuit on the Mario Circuit page]] regardless of the outcome, since that seems what most people want on ''both'' sides of this proposal, but again, since I'm not sure if the options are hard support/oppose or soft support/oppose, I don't know if that's out of line. {{User:Arend/sig}} 11:21, May 28, 2024 (EDT)
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| :I think that if "Oppose" wins, it means that Coaster/Downhill can only be briefly mentioned on the page but no further information should be included besides their names and that they appear in the ''Arcade GP'' games (e.g. "In the ''Arcade GP'' games, no Rainbow Road courses appear, but two similar courses, Coaster and Downhill, appear instead"). If "Support" wins, that would allow more inclusion of Coaster/Downhill to have their own gallery below the main one, referring to the ''Arcade GP'' subseries, which explains that these are Rainbow Road-like courses. I think the intent of whether the mention of Coaster/Downhill is trying to redirect you to their pages (Oppose wins) or is including their info on this page, but you can go to their page for further info (Support wins), is a key point here. (However, I am not fluent on the proposal rules, so am not 100% sure if this flouts the rules or anything.) [[User:MarioComix|MarioComix]] ([[User talk:MarioComix|talk]]) 00:58, May 29, 2024 (EDT)
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| :I'm in support of having an acknowledgement of Coaster and Downhill on the article like what Arend added to the Mario Circuit page, I feel like that should be doable even if this proposal fails. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 07:44, May 29, 2024 (EDT)
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