Editing Talk:Power Suit

== Name ==

"Varia Suit" is just the name for one suit variation of Samus (the purple outfit from Melee). This didn't have an official name in Super Smash Bros. Brawl at all, the official name came directly from Metroid, where Samus's basic suit is called Power Suit. With the Varia Suit, Samus can endure heat. It's a power up. If anything, "Power Suit" is the correct name for this page. But then, Samus has alternate outfits in Brawl which give her different suits. As Zero Suit Samus's Final Smash is called "Power Suit Samus" by the Dojo, I assume that Power Suit should be used here. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 15:42, 4 February 2008 (EST)
:no way. See the Fusion Suit image, isnt the fusion suit, just a painting of the varia suit 15:50, 4 February 2008 (EST)
::Have you played Metroid games? The Vario Suit is ''purple''. All of Samus's alternate colors in ''Melee'' where colours her suit could actually have in Metroid games. ''Brawl'' won't be an exception. Aside from that, Power Suit is the '''official Dojo name'''. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 15:52, 4 February 2008 (EST)
:the varia suit is yellow...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samus_Aran {{User:McDimentio/sig}}
::Then I've switched the colors - fact is, "Power Suit" is the name for the generic, orange suit - the very second paragraph of the [[Wikipedia:Samus_Aran|Samus Aran]] article mentiones the "Power Suit". - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 15:52, 4 February 2008 (EST)
{{LLquote|When Samus destroys her '''Power Suit''', she’s left with the Zero Suit. What she’s lost in power and weaponry, she makes up for in speed!|[http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/zerosuit_samus.html Zero Suit Samus profile]}}

I don't see why it should suddenly be the Varia Suit. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 15:59, 4 February 2008 (EST)
:k...but i prefer varia {{User:McDimentio/sig}}

== Move to Varia Suit or delete it altogether ==

{{TPP}}
I'm curious as to why this page exists. For one thing, the information is actually incorrect. What this page calls the [[metroidwiki:Power Suit|Power Suit]] is actually Samus's [[metroidwiki:Varia Suit|Varia Suit]]. The Power Suit lacks the shoulder pads and is more yellow in color, whereas the Varia Suit is orange and has different properties. Sure, the information for [[Power Suit Samus]] calls her suit in ''Super Smash Bros.'' the "Power Suit", but that itself is incorrect.

Another point is that it doesn't seem to have any purpose for either the ''Mario'' series or the ''Super Smash Bros.'' series. The only time the Power/Varia Suit needs to be mentioned is during [[Zero Laser]]'s ''Brawl'' information about how it falls apart. And there doesn't appear to be enough information for this to have its own page on the Mario Wiki, with the only meaningful information it has is "It falls apart during Samus's Final Smash". It's better suited (pun) to be on Zero Laser's page.

So I'm proposing either we get this information correct and call it the [[Varia Suit]] (which is currently a redirect to the incorrectly named page), or merge this information with Zero Suit Samus and delete this page entirely (or turn it into a redirect for said pages).

'''Deadline''': Saturday, March 18<sup>th</sup>, 2017 23:59 GMT<br>
'''Proposer''': {{User|Alex95}}

===Move page to [[Varia Suit]] and correct the information===
#{{User|Tails777}} Per the comments of myself and Alex95. The name can be changed to show the correct suit variation, but the suit parts are still items and should be treated as such.

===Delete page and move the info to [[Zero Laser]]'s page===
#{{User|Alex95}} I'd prefer this option. There's not enough info for the suit to warrant a full page on the wiki.
#{{User|Luigi 64DD}} Article is too small and the information can be satisfactorily be given on the Zero Laser page.
#{{User|Yoshi the Space Station Manager}} per Luigi 64DD.

===Oppose===
#{{User|SmokedChili}} I personally see no reason for either action. I think it's better that we make some mention about Samus' Power Suit having the colors of Varia Suit for her default palette.
#{{User|Baby Luigi}} Per SmokedChili and his comments.
#{{User|Marshal Dan Troop}} We have articles on every other item in Smash Bros. so I think this should stay.
#{{User|Toadette the Achiever}} Per all.

===Comments===
See, while the article is small, I think it's meant to talk more about the power suit pieces as items. Cause remember, they can be picked up and thrown, much like Green Shells or Bob-ombs (albeit lacking any additional effects outside of damage). So maybe the solution should be to clean the little article up a bit and specify what the suit is used for outside of Samus' abilities (which is covered on Samus' article)

Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but the use of the name Power Suit is probably because that's how the name is used in Brawl. I could be wrong, but I've read it being called the Power Suit more than the Varia suit in game. Incorrect or not, I think Power Suit can still pass as the article's name. {{User:Tails777/sig}}
:Really the only amount of info the Power/Varia Suit has that is relevant to the ''Mario'' or ''Smash'' universe is that it falls apart when [[Zero Laser]] is used and can thrown at opponents. Aside from mentioning that it's the suit Samus wears, the only relevant info to this wiki can fit in one sentence. It would better fit in the Zero Laser article, actually.
:Yeah, it's called [[Power Suit Samus]] in ''Brawl'', but keep in mind that it also calls [[:File:BrawlTrophy373.png|this suit]] the Power Suit as well, which is correct. The Power Suit shown in the trophy is clearly not the suit Samus wears in ''Smash''. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 22:01, 4 March 2017 (EST)
::Alright, I'll give you one for the name. However I still think the article should stay. The parts are still items, none the less, so they should be treated like every other item. {{User:Tails777/sig}}
:::Fair enough. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 23:09, 4 March 2017 (EST)

Expanding on my vote above, this proposal doesn't seem to take the color swaps into consideration. Gravity Suit palette is still called Power Suit, Fusion Suit palette is also called Power Suit etc. "Power Suit" used here seems more like the catch-all term for the attack and item pieces to me. [[User:SmokedChili|SmokedChili]] ([[User talk:SmokedChili|talk]]) 07:30, 5 March 2017 (EST)
:The point I'm trying to make here is that the overall suit being called the "Power Suit" is incorrect. In ''Smash'', Samus wears her Varia Suit. Sure, we can mention that Samus's alts are the colors of other suits, but this came to be a big misunderstanding due to ''Brawl'' calling the Final Smash by the wrong name. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 11:48, 5 March 2017 (EST)
::Calling it generally Power Suit when Varia Suit is on is actually a thing in the ''Metroid'' series. In ''Fusion'' when Samus monologues about the X Parasite infecting her in the prologue, and in ''Zero Mission'' when Samus gets the "fully powered Power Suit". I thus fail to see how it would be wrong. [[User:SmokedChili|SmokedChili]] ([[User talk:SmokedChili|talk]]) 14:06, 5 March 2017 (EST)

I don't understand why this should have it's own page when it already says the information about its ability to be thrown on the Zero Laser page. While Alex95 suggested moving said information to Zero Laser, if you look on the article, it has all the information that's on the Power Suit page except for "The Power Suit is one of Samus Aran's suits from the Metroid series," which doesn't seem to be necessary information.<br>{{User:Luigi 64DD/sig}} 16:16, 6 March 2017 (EST)
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 :the varia suit is yellow...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samus_Aran {{User:McDimentio/sig}}
 ::Then I've switched the colors - fact is, "Power Suit" is the name for the generic, orange suit - the very second paragraph of the [[Wikipedia:Samus_Aran|Samus Aran]] article mentiones the "Power Suit". - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 15:52, 4 February 2008 (EST)
-{{quote|When Samus destroys her '''Power Suit''', she’s left with the Zero Suit. What she’s lost in power and weaponry, she makes up for in speed!|[http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/zerosuit_samus.html Zero Suit Samus profile]}}
+{{LLquote|When Samus destroys her '''Power Suit''', she’s left with the Zero Suit. What she’s lost in power and weaponry, she makes up for in speed!|[http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/zerosuit_samus.html Zero Suit Samus profile]}}
 I don't see why it should suddenly be the Varia Suit. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 15:59, 4 February 2008 (EST)
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 == Move to Varia Suit or delete it altogether ==
-{{Settled TPP}}
-{{Proposal outcome|no consensus|1-8-8}}
+{{TPP}}
 I'm curious as to why this page exists. For one thing, the information is actually incorrect. What this page calls the [[metroidwiki:Power Suit|Power Suit]] is actually Samus's [[metroidwiki:Varia Suit|Varia Suit]]. The Power Suit lacks the shoulder pads and is more yellow in color, whereas the Varia Suit is orange and has different properties. Sure, the information for [[Power Suit Samus]] calls her suit in ''Super Smash Bros.'' the "Power Suit", but that itself is incorrect.
 Another point is that it doesn't seem to have any purpose for either the ''Mario'' series or the ''Super Smash Bros.'' series. The only time the Power/Varia Suit needs to be mentioned is during [[Zero Laser]]'s ''Brawl'' information about how it falls apart. And there doesn't appear to be enough information for this to have its own page on the Mario Wiki, with the only meaningful information it has is "It falls apart during Samus's Final Smash". It's better suited (pun) to be on Zero Laser's page.
-So I'm proposing either we get this information correct and call it the [[Varia Suit]] (which is currently a redirect to the incorrectly named page), or merge this information with Zero Laser and delete this page entirely (or turn it into a redirect for Zero Laser).
+So I'm proposing either we get this information correct and call it the [[Varia Suit]] (which is currently a redirect to the incorrectly named page), or merge this information with Zero Suit Samus and delete this page entirely (or turn it into a redirect for said pages).
-'''Deadline''': <del>Saturday, March 18<sup>th</sup>, 2017 23:59 GMT</del> <s>Extended to Saturday, April 1<sup>st</sup>, 2017, 23:59 GMT</s> <s>Extended to Saturday, April 8<sup>th</sup>, 2017, 23:59 GMT</s> Extended to Saturday, April 15<sup>th</sup>, 2017, 23:59 GMT<br>
+'''Deadline''': Saturday, March 18<sup>th</sup>, 2017 23:59 GMT<br>
 '''Proposer''': {{User|Alex95}}
 ===Move page to [[Varia Suit]] and correct the information===
-<s>#{{User|Tails777}} Per the comments of myself and Alex95. The name can be changed to show the correct suit variation, but the suit parts are still items and should be treated as such.</s>
+#{{User|Tails777}} Per the comments of myself and Alex95. The name can be changed to show the correct suit variation, but the suit parts are still items and should be treated as such.
-#{{User|3D Player 2010}} Per all.
 ===Delete page and move the info to [[Zero Laser]]'s page===
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 #{{User|Luigi 64DD}} Article is too small and the information can be satisfactorily be given on the Zero Laser page.
 #{{User|Yoshi the Space Station Manager}} per Luigi 64DD.
-#{{User|Ultimate Mr. L}} Per Luigi64DD and his comments.
-#{{User|A51 Trooper}} Per Luigi 64DD.
-#{{User|The Koopa Bro.}} Per Luigi 64DD
-#{{User|Magikrazy}} I don't think this topic warrants a dedicated article. What can you say about it that couldn't fit in Zero Laser's page, especially when that's really the only relevance Power Suit has to Mario? I'm definitely with Luigi 64DD on this one.
-#{{User|Bwburke94}} Per Magikrazy.
-<s>#{{User|TheFlameChomp}} Per Luigi 64DD.</s>
 ===Oppose===
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 #{{User|Marshal Dan Troop}} We have articles on every other item in Smash Bros. so I think this should stay.
 #{{User|Toadette the Achiever}} Per all.
-#{{User|Time Turner}}Per all.
-#{{User|Tails777}} Per all.
-#{{User|TheFlameChomp}} I originally voted to delete the page, but I changed my mind because the SmashWiki has a similar page, though it is called "Power Suit Piece".
-#{{User|Wildgoosespeeder}} I already have opposition covering a lot of things in [[Super Smash Bros. (series)]] that aren't Mario-related on MarioWiki. No need to adopt the term from [[MetroidWiki:Varia Suit|Metroid Wiki]].
 ===Comments===
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 I don't understand why this should have it's own page when it already says the information about its ability to be thrown on the Zero Laser page. While Alex95 suggested moving said information to Zero Laser, if you look on the article, it has all the information that's on the Power Suit page except for "The Power Suit is one of Samus Aran's suits from the Metroid series," which doesn't seem to be necessary information.<br>{{User:Luigi 64DD/sig}} 16:16, 6 March 2017 (EST)
-I'd like to bring up that while there is some reasoning in that the Power Suit pieces can become items, I still don't think this is enough to warrant a separate page. Is there any real reason a single sentence explaining that the Power Suit pieces can become items won't belong on Zero Laser's page? Should I start writing up articles on Wario Bike wheels and R.O.B.'s Gyros? [[User:Magikrazy|Magikrazy]] ([[User talk:Magikrazy|talk]]) 13:21, 24 March 2017 (EDT)
-'''@Wildgoosespeeder''' If you "have opposition covering a lot of things in Super Smash Bros. (series) that aren't Mario-related on MarioWiki", why are you voting to keep the article? In my mind, giving this its own article is already over-coverage of the Smash Bros. series.<br>{{User:Luigi 64DD/sig}} 15:04, 7 April 2017 (EDT)
-== Second attempt at deletion ==
-{{Settled TPP}}
-{{Proposal outcome|passed|12-0|delete}}
-Well, this again. With our adjustments to our ''Smash Bros.'' coverage, and [[Talk:Cardboard_Box#Delete_this_page|one other proposal doing the same thing]], I think it's time to revisit this. Unlike last time, the only option is deletion here. If successful, any information not already on [[Samus Aran]]'s and [[Zero Suit Samus]]'s pages will go there if it can fit.
-'''Proposer:''' {{User|Alex95}}<br>
-'''Deadline:''' August 31, 2020, 23:59 GMT
-===Support===
-#{{User|Alex95}} - I still think this should be called Varia Suit, but that point's irrelevant here.
-#{{User|Waluigi Time}} Per proposal.
-#{{User|Toadette the Achiever}} Yeah, the reason the original proposal failed was because we had yet to limit our coverage. Now that it ''is'' limited...
-#{{User|BBQ Turtle}} Per proposal.
-#{{User|Yoshi the SSM}} Per proposal and per last proposal.
-#{{User|LinkTheLefty}} As I understand it, the Varia/Barrier Suit isn't really a physically separate suit so much as an upgrade item, so describing it as the Power Suit is still technically correct... But yeah. Bar Var.
-#{{User|Superbound}} Per all
-#{{User|TheFlameChomp}} Per all.
-#{{User|DarkNight}} Per all.
-#{{User|Keyblade Master}} Per all.
-#{{User|MarioManiac1981}} Per all. I don't see why this should still be here.
-#{{User|HappyToad}} Per all.
-===Oppose===
-===Comments===