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==Name==
For future reference, neither the Player's Guide nor the Prima Games guide ever mention this enemy, either by name or by an offhand remark. {{User:Time Turner/sig}}
:The [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzNhnzGTG5w&t=3m6s North American version] of ''Super Smash Bros. for Wii U'' refers to the "Ghost" variety of Piranha Plant. Sure enough, in the [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcffRvIIPMc&t=6m49s Japanese version] of ''Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS'', Yūrei Pakkun is listed instead. While a few types actually differ, this seems to be the same thing. The only thing is that the full names aren't mentioned here like the PAL version (which doesn't include it), so it would be considered "Ghost (Piranha Plant)" rather than Ghost Piranha Plant or Ghost Piranha. Alternatively, I think the article could be titled "Ghost Piranha" with a "part conjecture" tag. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 17:07, 29 August 2017 (EDT)
::"Ghost Piranha" or "Ghost Piranha Plant" with the part conjecture tag sounds good to me. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 17:11, 29 August 2017 (EDT)
:::The part conjecture is for articles covering some content that has definitely received an official name and some content that has not received a name but is close enough to the other content that it gets grouped in anyways (see: [[Frog]]). It isn't for names that are themselves conjectural, whether in whole or in part. {{User:Time Turner/sig}} 17:17, 29 August 2017 (EDT)
::::What about [[Pump Mario]]? [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 17:20, 29 August 2017 (EDT)
:::::Do we know that the trophy is referring to this enemy specifically? {{User:Alex95/sig}} 17:22, 29 August 2017 (EDT)

:::::[[Template:Part conjecture|The description for the template itself]] ([https://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=Template:Part_conjecture&diff=next&oldid=726750 since 2012]) makes its purpose clear. An article using it incorrectly only means that it's using it incorrectly. {{User:Time Turner/sig}} 17:23, 29 August 2017 (EDT)
::::::@Time Turner: So that means "Ghost (Piranha Plant)" should be the article title since that's unfortunately the only thing left go off on. Maybe something should be done about that other article.
::::::@Alex95: The Piranha Plants mentioned in the trophy differ across three regions, with the North American, PAL and Japanese versions only having Naval, Fire and Bone in common. While there is a [[wikipedia:Yūrei|bit]] more to it than that, Ghost is more or less a direct translation of Yūrei, and no other type of Piranha Plant fits the bill. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 17:45, 29 August 2017 (EDT)
:::::::Sometimes I wonder if the wiki has ever inadvertently created facts. After all, the wiki used the name "Ghost Piranha" for this article without any tags that indicated it was conjectural (beyond a brief period between late 2015 and early 2016) for quite a while. Sm4sh came out in 2014, whereas this page was only moved to its current name in late 2016. It's a moot point now, and any discussions about this would probably be too speculative for the articles, but these kinds of situations crop up from time to time. On topic, I personally think Ghost (Piranha Plant) sounds a bit weird, but without a better name, I won't object to it. {{User:Time Turner/sig}} 18:26, 29 August 2017 (EDT)
::::::::Well, I agree that the wiki may have inadvertently "created" certain things such as Rudy the Clown out of Rudy and I believe may have also contributed to Caped Mario being condensed to Cape Mario among others, but I digress... If there are no objections, I'll move it to Ghost (Piranha Plant). [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 18:33, 29 August 2017 (EDT)
:::::::::Rudy the Clown was a fan-name since Dr Mario 64 was released, don't get to big for your britches. However, the problem is apparent, as seen when Zelda: Arts and Artifacts used the Japanese names for Helmethead and Horsehead (Jermafenser and Mazuri), which Zeldawiki had started to do recently because the most recent guide called them that (while conveniently ignoring the game's own manual). This was one of the reasons I was as adamant as I was about Rocky Wrench being identified solely as a Koopa (because that's what it officially is, and I don't want FAN THEORIES getting mixed into official lore). {{User|Doc von Schmeltwick}} 18:15, 29 August 2017 (CT)

== Name, Again ==
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So, in light of [[MarioWiki talk:Naming#Make an exception to source priority for articles with identical names|this proposal]], should this be moved back to Yūrei Pakkun? [[User:Niiue|Niiue]] ([[User talk:Niiue|talk]]) 21:09, 29 January 2019 (EST)
:In the Palutena's Guidance I just transcribed, they are still called "Ghosts".  [[Special:Contributions/72.200.164.50|72.200.164.50]] 21:17, 29 January 2019 (EST)
::Please take this all [[Talk:Piranha Plant#This is the Ultimate|here]], for now. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 21:25, 29 January 2019 (EST)
Having recently acquired both the Nintendo Power and Prima Games guides, I found the name for it tucked away in the latter, on page 279 regarding World 5-5: The Cave That Never Ends: "''Jump over the Polterpiranhas and flutter to the right to reach solid ground.''" It is not mentioned in the former, and as mentioned above, "Ghost" is seemingly shortened in the Wii U trophy (and, for all we know, could still be referenced from us then). I think we should go with the Prima name over the questionable in-game one. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 10:01, March 25, 2019 (EDT)
:Yeah, I agree with LinkTheLefty this time around. Don't ask why the ''Smash Bros.'' localization team chose to name them "Ghosts", because '''darn''', it's a ''very'' generic name. {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 11:31, March 25, 2019 (EDT)
::Yeah, Ghost definitely came from us. It's really Time Turner that should have checked multiple times. I'd agree to rename to Polterpiranha over Ghost, as <s> basically citing the encyclopedia in a nutshell</s> we should not let citogenesis creep unto our wiki. I't be a more logical choise than using Ghost by citing the SSB Ultimate quote. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 12:06, March 25, 2019 (EDT)
:::And, unlike the Nipper Dandelion, it wasn't actually a fanname, but came from an official source, which wasn't the full name. What an unique name! --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 12:07, March 25, 2019 (EDT)