Latest revision |
Your text |
Line 1: |
Line 1: |
| | {{partofpipe|image=[[Image:Ssbemblem.png|32px]]|type=article|name=Super Smash Bros.|goal=improve upon the articles about the [[Super Smash Bros. (series)|Super Smash Bros. Series]]}} |
| | |
| == Playable? == | | == Playable? == |
|
| |
|
| Should this guy really be counted as a playable character? Considering that his Pokemon (which the player controls) do all the fighting, while he just stands in the background and watches. Yes, I know that you'll select him to "play" as him, but you'll never control him. -- [[User: Booster|Booster]] | | Should this guy really be counted as a playable character? Considering that his Pokemon (which the player controls) do all the fighting, while he just stands in the background and watches. Yes, I know that you'll select him to "play" as him, but you'll never control him. -- [[User: Booster|Booster]] |
| :That's indeed hard to tell. Well, you control him when using the [[Pokémon Change]] move, at last. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 10:44, 13 August 2007 (EDT) | | :That's indeed hard to tell. Well, you control him when using the [[Pokémon Change]] move, at last. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 10:44, 13 August 2007 (EDT) |
| ::Ah, I see. I guess he is playble... barely. -- [[User: Booster|Booster]]
| | :Ah, I see. I guess he is playble... barely. -- [[User: Booster|Booster]] |
| :::Lol srsly. But it's only one move. {{User:Super-Yoshi/sig}}
| |
|
| |
|
| == Red == | | == Red == |
| | |
| Since this dude is the protagonist to Pokemon Red, Blue, and Yellow, most likely Yellow, because of the fact he has all three of the Kanto starter Pokemon, shouldn't we call him Red. Red is the default name that Nintendo calls this character, so...? | | Since this dude is the protagonist to Pokemon Red, Blue, and Yellow, most likely Yellow, because of the fact he has all three of the Kanto starter Pokemon, shouldn't we call him Red. Red is the default name that Nintendo calls this character, so...? |
| {{unsigned|Mariofan132}} | | {{unsigned|Mariofan132}} |
Line 32: |
Line 34: |
| :We'll not have a redirect either. Because 1) noone is likely to search for the Pokémon Trainer and type in the name Red instead and 2) we already have a redirect on [[Red]]. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 11:38, 13 August 2007 (EDT) | | :We'll not have a redirect either. Because 1) noone is likely to search for the Pokémon Trainer and type in the name Red instead and 2) we already have a redirect on [[Red]]. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 11:38, 13 August 2007 (EDT) |
|
| |
|
| ::Not a redirect but a disambiguation. Anyway, the site and most likely the game calls him Pokemon Trainer so lets leave it like this. '''[[User:Paper Jorge|Paper Jorge! I give paper cuts so stand back!]]''' | | ::Not a redirect but a disambiguation. Anyway, the site and most likely the game calls him Pokemon Trainer so lets leave it like this. http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/9276/papertoycf7.gif '''[[User:Paper Jorge|Paper Jorge! I give paper cuts so stand back!]]''' http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/9276/papertoycf7.gif |
|
| |
|
| That's what I meant! Thanks PJ! To Max2, when Nintendo refers to the star of Pokemon R/B/Y/FR/LG, they refer to him as red. The article on Wiki- and Bulba- pedia is Red. Trust me. To Cobold, some Pokemon fan might be on here and found out that Red was in Super Smash Bros. Brawl, he types in "Red", and turns up at the disambugation page and finds Pokemon Trainer. And to PhoenixWrighter, same thing as Max2. Thank you. | | That's what I meant! Thanks PJ! To Max2, when Nintendo refers to the star of Pokemon R/B/Y/FR/LG, they refer to him as red. The article on Wiki- and Bulba- pedia is Red. Trust me. To Cobold, some Pokemon fan might be on here and found out that Red was in Super Smash Bros. Brawl, he types in "Red", and turns up at the disambugation page and finds Pokemon Trainer. And to PhoenixWrighter, same thing as Max2. Thank you. |
Line 61: |
Line 63: |
| Considering so many bloody Pokemon trainers look like each other, I would say it's not Red. And this is a ''generic'' Pokemon Trainer. Not Red. And, for one thing, anybody can edit Wikipedia, but you have to get an account to edit MarioWiki. [[User:MamaWaluigi|MamaWaluigi]] 13:36, 15 August 2007 (EDT) | | Considering so many bloody Pokemon trainers look like each other, I would say it's not Red. And this is a ''generic'' Pokemon Trainer. Not Red. And, for one thing, anybody can edit Wikipedia, but you have to get an account to edit MarioWiki. [[User:MamaWaluigi|MamaWaluigi]] 13:36, 15 August 2007 (EDT) |
|
| |
|
| Max calm down. MamaWaluigi you are right. Just cuss hem ya look like Red, doesn't mean he necessary is Red. So I end this arguement by saying: His official name as of now is "Pokemon Trainer". '''[[User:Paper Jorge|Paper Jorge! I give paper cuts so stand back!]]''' | | Max calm down. MamaWaluigi you are right. Just cuss hem ya look like Red, doesn't mean he necessary is Red. So I end this arguement by saying: His official name as of now is "Pokemon Trainer". http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/9276/papertoycf7.gif '''[[User:Paper Jorge|Paper Jorge! I give paper cuts so stand back!]]''' http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/9276/papertoycf7.gif |
|
| |
|
| He is BASED on Red(player charcter)'s look from FireRed/Leaf Green. Is he actully Red, doesn't really matter. Ktnxby. [[User:Lego3400|Lego3400]] 21:11, 15 August 2007 (EDT) | | He is BASED on Red(player charcter)'s look from FireRed/Leaf Green. Is he actully Red, doesn't really matter. Ktnxby. [[User:Lego3400|Lego3400]] 21:11, 15 August 2007 (EDT) |
Line 98: |
Line 100: |
|
| |
|
| {{User:Mariofan132/sig}} | | {{User:Mariofan132/sig}} |
|
| |
| Cobold did. You want us to add information from the Pokemon Series. this Wiki is about the Mario series. {{User:Max2/sig}}
| |
|
| |
| No, I already did add a sentence on a disambugation page to not confuse Pokemon/Mario fans. And sorry, I'm kind of getting wacko in the head. All this space on a talk page for one sentence. It's pretty funny if you think about it.
| |
|
| |
| {{User:Mariofan132/sig}}
| |
| :Mariofan, I don't mean to be rude, but, SHUT UP!!! What do you want? Something that says "Pokemon Trainer is called Red in most Pokemon Games"? THAT IS RIDICULOUS!!!! We are a '''MARIO'''Wiki. That kind of information belongs on Bulbapedia, and if the official SSBB site calls him Pokemon Trainer, we call him Pokemon Trainer. Red is his '''Pokemon Series''' name, Pokemon Trainer is his '''Super Smash Bros. Series''' and '''Mario Series''' name. LISTEN TO US, NOT YOUR CRAZY OPINIONS!!! {{User:Pokemon DP/sig}} Sorry, but you have REALLY gotten on my nerves on this topic.
| |
|
| |
| Listen, I know its Poke-information. That's why I only have a mention on the Red disambugation page. Gosh. Everyone please be quite. Everyone has this thing all wrong. I don't even want the word red on Pokemon Trainer's page. Please, everyone, stop badgering me.
| |
|
| |
| {{User:Mariofan132/sig}}
| |
| :Fine, fine, whatever, we'll stop. My only REAL problem was your attitude, and arrogance. {{User:Pokemon DP/sig}}
| |
|
| |
| Okay, here goes. Sorry for calling you all annoying and stuff. That was mean, but I have a real big thing on in-game info. For some reason, I just write bios on minor Mario characters in my spare time. If I were to do that on the Pokemon Trainer for Generation I, I would refer to him as Red. I'm just a strong believer that his real name is Red. I'm really sorry for being a big jerk. I guess I'm just not used to people arguing with me about video game theories. Sorry. *slaps self* *and again* I'd just like it if people would stop saying I have a big attitude and stuff, because I don't, really. I'm sorry about all this. All I want is a mention on the disambugation page. That is all.
| |
|
| |
| {{User:Mariofan132/sig}}, who actually slapped himself. Twice.
| |
| :I don't think a mention on the Disambiguation page is really neccesary, as his name isn't really Red. Also, apology accepted :P {{User:Pokemon DP/sig}}
| |
|
| |
| It's Nintendo's default name for him...
| |
|
| |
| {{User:Mariofan132/sig}}
| |
| :But Pokemon Trainer is Super Smash Bros.'s default name for him, and we only cover the info from the Mario Bros. Series, or Super Smash Bros. Series. {{User:Pokemon DP/sig}}
| |
|
| |
| Yeah, that's why it's on the '''disambiguation''' page.
| |
|
| |
| {{User:Mariofan132/sig}}
| |
| :But, the '''disambiguation''' page is on '''Mario'''Wiki. If we were a '''Pokemon'''Wiki, we could note that, but we can't here, because the '''disambiguation''' page is on a '''Mario'''Wiki, and we only cover '''Mario''' related content. {{User:Pokemon DP/sig}}
| |
|
| |
| Yeah, the Pokemon wiki's article is actually Red. Look it up for yourself. Anyway, disambugation pages are for people that typed one thing that could mean another. Red could mean the Red Ninjakoopa, Axem Red, Mario, or the Pokemon Trainer outside of the Super Smash Bros. series.
| |
|
| |
| {{User:Mariofan132/sig}}
| |
| :Why would people even type Red if they wanted Pokemon Trainer? They would do that on the Pokemon Wiki, because that is his name their, but do they expect us to call him Red on the '''Mario'''Wiki? {{User:Pokemon DP/sig}}
| |
| ::Dude just give up...{{User:Xzelion/Signature}}
| |
| :::Who? Me or him? {{User:Pokemon DP/sig}}
| |
| ::::...Him..{{User:Xzelion/Signature}}
| |
|
| |
| People coming from the Pokemon Wiki would type in Red here because as far as they know, they would think the Smash Bros. character was named Red.
| |
|
| |
| {{User:Mariofan132/sig}}
| |
| :As Xzelion said, Dude just give up. OK, let's have a vote. YOU HAPPY NOW!!!!! {{User:Pokemon DP/sig}}
| |
|
| |
| <big> Don't put Red on the Disambiguation page </big>
| |
| #{{User:Pokemon DP/sig}} Not Mario-Related.
| |
| #{{User:Xzelion/Signature}} Per Reasons above
| |
| #{{User:Max2/sig}} Can I sign 8 more times?
| |
| #[[User:Gofer|Gofer]] Per DP and Cobold
| |
| #{{User:Cobold/sig}} Per reasons given above.
| |
| #[[User:Dannyboy|Dannyboy]] Per reasons given above xD
| |
| #{{User:Uniju :D/sig}} He hardly even needs an article...
| |
|
| |
| <big> Add it </big>
| |
| # Helps Pokemon fans that do not know that Pokemon Trainer is his name around here. {{User:Mariofan132/sig}}
| |
| #Per MarioFan. {{User:Plumber/Pignature}}
| |
|
| |
| <big> Comments </big>
| |
|
| |
| "Helps Pokemon fans that do not know that Pokemon Trainer is his name around here. " I'm pretty sure that the Pokéfan would msot likely search by using the PT name, it's a thing called "logic".
| |
| [[User:Gofer|Gofer]]
| |
|
| |
| As far as they know, the character's name is Red. Pokemon Trainer to them could mean Red, Leaf, Brock, Misty, Gold, Kris, Bugcatcher, Beauty, Ace Trainer, Rocket Grunt, Blackbelt, May, Brendan, Wes, Michael, Lucas, Dawn, Pearl, Blue, Silver, Norman, etc. The news article says "Red". The thing called "logic" is typing in "Red" when all you know about this character is that his name is "Red".
| |
| {{unsigned|Mariofan132}}
| |
| :I can imagine a similar debate going on on a Pokémon Wiki about whether putting him at the "Red" page or the "Pokémon Trainer" page, and I've actually seen a discussion like that on Wikipedia. I don't think even a Pokémon fan will think that someone called Red is in Brawl, but in fact a generic Pokémon Trainer... - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 17:21, 29 August 2007 (EDT)
| |
|
| |
| I'm asking for a disambugation, you know... {{User:Mariofan132/sig}}
| |
| :Please, understand. 1) Why would a Pokemon Fan come here for the Pokemon Information, when they can go to the Pokemon Wiki for that stuff... 2) A REAL Pokemon Fan would know that his name is Pokemon Trainer, and not Red. 3) Do they expect us to have an article on him? We do, but, would they know that? And 4) IT IS NOT MARIO RELATED!!!!! OK, how about this, a disambiguation page of Samus: "Samus can mean: [[Samus Aran]], [[Zero Suit Samus]], or Dark Samus". Point is, it is NOT Mario-related. Sheesh, why can't you just give it up? {{User:Pokemon DP/sig}}
| |
|
| |
| 1)The information about the Super Smash Bros. character on Red's page is about two sentences. SmashWiki only talks about famous Smash Bros. players. But we have Mario spin-off information. 2)Not every pokemon fan is going to go to the Smash Dojo first thing. If they saw the headline, it doesn't say his name is Pokemon Trainer. It says his name is Red. 3)Yes, since they would know that we have Smash Bros. information. They just think the character's name is Red. Then they find out that his name is Pokemon Trainer, problem solved. But they find this out by finding Pokemon Trainer on the disambugation page things related to the term red. Mostly people with Red in their name, but in this case, someone based off of Red. 4)We don't have an article even related to Dark Samus. Pokemon Trainer is a carbon copy of Red from FireRed and LeafGreen. He's just called that so people won't get confused if they play Smash Bros. but not Pokemon. 5)What if you thought something had to be done to this Wiki, but everyone said it wasn't important enough, what if you were very strong about your knowing of this needing to be done, and at once, you even started acting like a jerk. Then everyone calls you an arrogant jerk. Then you feel bad inside, but you won't give up until this Wiki has the information you want on it. They pressure and pressure you into giving up, but you don't. They make you feel like a stupid idiot, they even doubt you even play the series in which you get the information from, but you feel strong about this decision you make. How would you feel? Would you just stick to the crowd, just so they'd stop heckling you, or would to stand up for what you think is right, and not give up your beliefs. Your decision.
| |
|
| |
| {{User:Mariofan132/sig}}
| |
| :<s>Now, I don't usually swear, but, FOR GOD'S SAKES, JUST GIVE IT UP!! Look at the Polls, 5 voted to screw it, only you voted to keep it. WHY CAN'T YOU JUST ACCEPT THAT WE DON'T NEED THAT INFORMATION!!!! Want to put that info somewhere? TAKE IT TO THE POKEMON WIKI!!!! STOP BEING SUCH A STUBBORN JERK!!! {{User:Pokemon DP/sig}} Take a look what you made me do. >_<</s>
| |
| ::Honestly, whether you feel righteous or not doesn't matter. Here's the facts: Pokemon Trainer has only appeared ONCE in the Marioverse, upcoming in Brawl. He is called Pokemon Trainer in Brawl. He looks like the character Red from the Pokemon series, but we don't get our info from that series. We are drawing our facts from the SSB series in this case, NOT the Pokemon series. On THIS wiki, we call him Pokemon Trainer. On ANOTHER wiki, depending on what they cover, he may be called Red. Final line: IT'S NOT RED. {{User:Wayoshi/sig}} 23:07, 29 August 2007 (EDT)
| |
| :::My apoligies for bursting out like that, but you have really been going on, and on, and on, AND ON about this, Mariofan. Please read Wayoshi's comment above, and I'm sure you will see why we cannot do such an action on this Wiki. {{User:Pokemon DP/sig}}
| |
|
| |
| I would prefer to have Pokemon Trainer mentioned on the Red disambugation page. But I see that all that's come out of this is yelling. I'm just going to '''not''' give up. Inside. I know that I would prefer it my way, but I know, unless some miracle happens and I get ten votes overnight, it's not going to happen. I know* that Pokemon Trainer should be on the disambugation, but I'm just going to let you guys have your way. Pokemon DP is going to start swearing like a sailor, ironic, being a Pokemon fan, I guess. So, yeah.
| |
|
| |
| *know - MIB def - ''knowing'' the world is flat, until Columbus saild, ''knowing'' we were alone until fifteen minutes ago, I just ''know'' for me that Pokemon Trainer should be on the disambugation.
| |
|
| |
| {{User:Mariofan132/sig}}
| |
| :Why should it be on the Disambiguation page, why should something that is ONLY said in the Pokemon series be put on the MARIOWiki, when the only time he has EVER appeared in a MARIO game is in a game where he was called POKEMON TRAINER!!! RED is his name OUTSIDE the Mario series. POKEMON TRAINER is his name IN the Mario series. We have only seen him being called Pokemon Trainer in the Mario series, which is in SSBB. If he was called Red in any other Mario game, we would put it on the disambiguation page, but he isn't, so JUST GIVE UP!!! {{User:Pokemon DP/sig}}
| |
|
| |
| Didn't I already?
| |
|
| |
| {{User:Mariofan132/sig}}
| |
| :You giving up is hardly the point. I am trying to make the point that we have all been trying to make. Do you understand now? {{User:Pokemon DP/sig}} Believe me, if he was called Red in ANY other Marioverse game, I would add him to that page without any hesitation, but, he is not called Red in ANY Marioverse game, so it shouldn't be added.
| |
|
| |
| Okay, it's just that at the end of everyone's sentence I've seen the words "give" and "up", or "happy" and "now". I just thought disambugation was okay because it was an extremely small way of saying. Wrong way, here's the right way.
| |
|
| |
| {{User:Mariofan132/sig}}
| |
|
| |
| Okay, I don't really care anymore. But I just remembered that when you fight him in Pokemon Crystal his name is Red... Remember, I don't care. Don't get mad.
| |
|
| |
| {{User:Mariofan132/sig}}
| |
|
| |
| == A point that nobody, on either side, seems to have noticed ==
| |
|
| |
| ...if [[Captain Falcon]]'s full name (Douglas Jay Falcon) can be mentioned on his page, even though that info comes from the F-Zero series and not Smash Bros., then there's no reason why Red CAN'T be mentioned on this page--at least to say that the Smash Bros. character is based on Red, and THEN explain that Red is the name of the playable male trainer in the Kanto-based Pokémon games. They're the EXACT SAME THING--a name for the character from an outside source which is still the real name of the character. And, looky here--if you type in "Captain Douglas Jay Falcon" into the box, you even get redirected to Captain Falcon's page! So much for that "no redirect/disambiguation for out-of-SmashBros.-info" thing, huh?
| |
| If the "no outside-Marioverse ''(as if Smash Bros. was really in it to begin with...)'' info" angry mob won't accept that Red is his name, then you're gonna have to take off Captain Falcon's full name, too. [[User:Wario'sFalconPAUNCH!|Wario'sFalconPAUNCH!]] 01:18, 11 September 2007 (EDT)
| |
| :BUT, his name is still Captain Douglas Jay Falcon in Super Smash Bros., but, it was simply shortened to Captain Falcon, so the name could fit. However, Pokémon Trainer is called Pokémon Trainer in Super Smash Bros. Brawl, NOT Red. His name is NOT a shortened version of Red. Captain Falcon is just a shortened version of his real name, which is still used in Super Smash Bros., wheras, Red is NEVER used in Super Smash Bros. Understand? {{User:Pokemon DP/sig}}
| |
| Captain Falcon has always been named that, Whereas Pokemon trainer has no real name. You could name him whatever you want to in the games, and he's only called red when they needed a name for him and desided to call him red (after the first game in the series). {{User:Peachycakes 3.14/sig}} 06:56, 11 September 2007 (EDT)
| |
| :Thank you, Peachycakes, for helping me out on that (That was not sarcasm). {{User:Pokemon DP/sig}}
| |
| It could be a title...
| |
| {{User:Mariofan132/sig}}
| |
|
| |
| == Finally something not about his name ==
| |
|
| |
| Does it say on the website if he stays in one place in the background? Or if he moves? {{User:Max2/sig}} I wonder about the scrolling stages...
| |
| :It says he stands in the background, he still moves around in the case of scrolling stages. {{User:Pokemon DP/sig}}
| |
|
| |
| Oh. OK. {{User:Max2/sig}} Thx.
| |
| ==Doesn't make sense==
| |
| He is the only fighter who consists of more than one fighter. Seriously? [[User:Rpg gamer|RPG Gamer. I HAVE RPG!!]] ([[User talk:Rpg gamer|talk]]) 02:51, 5 April 2013 (EDT)
| |