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| I feel this page is not so related to the Mario series since they only appear in the SSB series. [[User:Radfox35|<span style="font-family:Calibri;color:navy">Radfox35</span>]] 21:47, 12 November 2015 (EST) | | I feel this page is not so related to the Mario series since they only appear in the SSB series. [[User:Radfox35|<span style="font-family:Calibri;color:navy">Radfox35</span>]] 21:47, 12 November 2015 (EST) |
| == S.M.M. Costume Mario sprites? == | | == S.M.M. Costume Mario sprites? == |
| .S. Could you please include a section with the Pokémon Costume Mario sprites from ''[[Super Mario Maker]]''? [[User:Radfox35|<span style="font-family:Calibri;color:navy">Radfox35</span>]] 18:21, 20 November 2015 (EST) | | .S. Could you please include a section with the Pokémon Costume Mario sprites from ''[[Super Mario Maker]]'' [[User:Radfox35|<span style="font-family:Calibri;color:navy">Radfox35</span>]] 18:21, 20 November 2015 (EST) |
| ==Trivia== | | ==Trivia== |
| I thought it was the other way around-Pokemon was first and Mario was second. {{User:Plumber/sig}} 18:03, 5 June 2007 (EDT) | | I thought it was the other way around-Pokemon was first and Mario was second. {{User:Plumber/sig}} 18:03, 5 June 2007 (EDT) |
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| == Articles for All == | | == Articles for All == |
| The assist trophy character proposal thing passed, so with that in full swing, I wanted to discuss if the Pokeball Pokemon deserve articles as well. The only major difference between the two is that Pokeballs cover only one series (as far as I can tell), so I'm for it. However, feedback is welcome. {{User:Time Turner/sig}} 17:05, 2 November 2014 (EST) | | The assist trophy character proposal thing passed, so with that in full swing, I wanted to discuss if the Pokeball Pokemon deserve articles as well. The only major difference between the two is that Pokeballs cover only one series (as far as I can tell), so I'm for it. However, feedback is welcome. ''<span style="font-family: Blackletter; font-size:16px;"><b>[[User Talk:Time Turner|<span style="color:#B4A276">Hello, I'm </span>]][[User:Time Turner|<span style="color:#806A37">Time Turner.</span>]]</b></span>[[File:Time Turner.png|20px]]'' 17:05, 2 November 2014 (EST) |
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| I personally agree with the idea that Poke Balls should get their own articles. {{User:3D Player 2004/sig}} 16:44, 7 November 2014 (EST) | | I personally agree with the idea that Poke Balls should get their own articles. {{User:3D Player 2004/sig}} 16:44, 7 November 2014 (EST) |
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| A bit late, but I think you can attempt to create Pokeball Pokemon articles and cite your assist trophy proposal as a logical connection, and that crossovers get full coverage. Just be bold about things. {{User:Mario/sig}} 17:27, 18 November 2014 (EST) | | A bit late, but I think you can attempt to create Pokeball Pokemon articles and cite your assist trophy proposal as a logical connection, and that crossovers get full coverage. Just be bold about things. {{User:Mario/sig}} 17:27, 18 November 2014 (EST) |
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| == List of Pokemon pages to merge ==
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| Because there are far, FAR too many to list on the {{tem|Merge from}} template {{user|Reboot}}
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| :Moving this list here as it should not be in mainspace. And if anyone wants to check them off after they're merged like the [[Talk:Lists of Power Moons|Lists of Power Moons anchors]]. {{User:Mario jc/sig}} 06:32, 22 June 2018 (EDT)
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| *<s>Abomasnow</s>
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| *<s>Arceus</s>
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| *[[Articuno]]
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| *<s>Beedrill</s>
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| *[[Bellossom]]
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| *[[Blastoise]]
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| *<s>Bonsly</s>
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| *[[Celebi]]
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| *[[Chansey]]
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| *<s>Chespin</s>
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| *[[Chikorita]]
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| *[[Clefairy]]
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| *<s>Cyndaquil</s>
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| *<s>Darkrai</s>
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| *<s>Dedenne</s>
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| *[[Deoxys]]
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| *[[Eevee]]
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| *[[Electrode]]
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| *[[Entei]]
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| *<s>Fennekin</s>
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| *<s>Fletchling</s>
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| *[[Gardevoir]]
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| *<s>Genesect</s>
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| *<s>Giratina</s>
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| *<s>Gogoat</s>
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| *[[Goldeen]]
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| *<s>Groudon</s>
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| *<s>Gulpin</s>
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| *<s>Hitmonlee</s>
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| *[[Ho-Oh]]
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| *<s>Inkay</s>
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| *<s>Jirachi</s>
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| *<s>Keldeo</s>
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| *[[Kyogre]]
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| *<s>Kyurem</s>
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| *[[Latias & Latios]]
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| *[[Lugia]]
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| *[[Lugia]]
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| *[[Manaphy]]
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| *<s>Marill</s>
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| *<s>Meloetta</s>
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| *[[Meowth]]
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| *[[Metagross]]
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| *[[Mew]]
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| *[[Moltres]]
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| *<s>Munchlax</s>
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| *<s>Onix</s>
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| *<s>Oshawott</s>
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| *[[Palkia]]
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| *<s>Piplup</s>
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| *<s>Porygon2</s>
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| *<s>Raikou</s>
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| *[[Scizor]]
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| *<s>Snivy</s>
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| *[[Snorlax]]
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| *<s>Spewpa</s>
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| *<s>Starmie</s>
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| *[[Staryu]]
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| *[[Suicune]]
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| *<s>Swirlix</s>
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| *[[Togepi]]
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| *[[Torchic]]
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| *<s>Unown</s>
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| *[[Venusaur]]
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| *<s>Victini</s>
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| *<s>Weavile</s>
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| *[[Weezing]]
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| *[[Wobbuffet]]
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| *[[Xerneas]]
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| ===Issues===
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| Does Articuno use Blizzard or Icy Wind in Melee? Not only do this page and our (current) page on it disagree, so do Bulbapedia and SmashWiki... - [[User:Reboot|Reboot]] ([[User talk:Reboot|talk]]) 01:20, 27 June 2018 (EDT)
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| Similar deal with Weezing - Poison Gas or Smog? - [[User:Reboot|Reboot]] ([[User talk:Reboot|talk]]) 02:08, 27 June 2018 (EDT)
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| Torchic - Ember or Fire Spin? - [[User:Reboot|Reboot]] ([[User talk:Reboot|talk]]) 03:32, 28 June 2018 (EDT)
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| == Unmerge Pokémon, Assist Trophys, Enemies etc ==
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| I think the recent Smash Bros proposal is not good and we should unmerge everything. [[User:Wariopig|Wariopig]] ([[User talk:Wariopig|talk]]) 19:47, 22 June 2018 (EDT)Wariopig
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| :Why post about that here? {{User:Alex95/sig}} 19:49, 22 June 2018 (EDT)
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| ::Probably because these are next on the list. Anyways, I'm ambivalent on the matter of this specifically, it was the enemies I was against, mostly. Either way, 4 weeks between proposal's end and when next one can be made. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 19:50, 22 June 2018 (EDT)
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| :::: I agree with Doc [[User:Wariopig|Wariopig]] ([[User talk:Wariopig|talk]]) 19:52, 22 June 2018 (EDT)Wariopig
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| :::::Shoulda agreed with me when the proposal was made :\ Thing is, I supported parts of it, like merging in moves of non-''Mario'' characters, but the folly of an omnibus proposal is that it wants ''way'' too much variation with what it does. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 19:54, 22 June 2018 (EDT)
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| ::::::We do have a forum post on this that goes into more detail if you wish to read that. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 19:55, 22 June 2018 (EDT)
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| ::::I think we should go ahead and merge the Pokémon. We're not Bulbapedia, so it wouldn't make sense for us to have all these Pokémon articles that don't relate at all to the Mario series. [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] ([[User talk:SeanWheeler|talk]]) 01:07, 24 June 2018 (EDT)
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| ::::I do say that I have to agree with SeanWheeler here. It is not the Super Mario Wiki's job to have so many Pokémon articles. That's why Bulbapedia exists. It's one thing to have separate articles for the playable Pokémon fighters in ''Super Smash Bros.'', but it's another thing to have unnecessary Pokémon articles on a wiki that specifically covers any ''Mario''-centric form of media. [[User:MarioManiac1981|MarioManiac1981]] ([[User talk:MarioManiac1981|talk]]) 3:52, 3 August 2018 (EDT)
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| Can you add in all the new Poké Ball Pokémon from Super Smash Bros. Ultimate in the chart of all Poké Ball Pokémon and add in what they do when you summon them?
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| --[[Special:Contributions/24.188.22.145|24.188.22.145]] 10:53, 24 December 2018 (EST)
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| == Delete this article ==
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| {{Settled TPP}}
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| {{Proposal outcome|passed|21-0|delete}}
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| There are a couple of ''Smash''-related proposals active right now, and it reminded me that this article still exists. Why keep this? It is 100% non-''Mario'' content.
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| It starts with a paragraph describing the mechanics of the ''Pokémon'' series, which is completely irrelevant. Most of the rest of this article's information can be divided into three categories:
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| *'''Poké Ball Pokémon''': Before the item merge, I would have said it belongs on the Poké Ball article. We can still move it to the Poké Ball section of the [[List of Super Smash Bros. series items|items list]]; it would make the article bigger, but not unacceptably so (around 150,000 bytes - far from the wiki's largest page). We also have a [[:Category:Poké Ball Pokémon|category]] that functions as a list.
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| *'''Stage-specific Pokémon''': Pokémon seen in [[Saffron City]], [[Poké Floats]], etc. They belong on the stage articles. The end.
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| *'''[[Trophy (Super Smash Bros. series)|Trophies]] and [[Sticker (Super Smash Bros. Brawl)|stickers]]''': We decided that ''Mario''-irrelevant trophies aren't necessary to cover, so this info isn't needed at all. As for stickers, there's an ongoing proposal about that, but even if we decide to keep them, the information will be on the sticker article, so there will still be no reason to have a separate list for specifically for Pokémon.
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| With all that weeded out, all that's left is a small list of playable Pokémon fighters, which we don't need.
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| '''Proposer''': {{User|7feetunder}}<br>
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| '''Deadline''': April 28, 2023, 23:59 GMT
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| ====Support====
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| #{{User|7feetunder}} Per proposal.
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| #{{User|SeanWheeler}} Has literally nothing to do with Mario. Only here because of our Smash coverage.
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| #{{User|Spectrogram}} Per proposal.
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| #{{User|Mario}} [[File:Luigi '98.png|18px]] Make this page faint!
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| #{{User|Platform}} Per proposal.
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| #{{User|Hewer}} Per all.
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| #{{User|ShootingStar7X}} ShootingStar7X used Cut!
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| #{{User|Koopa con Carne}} Per all.
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| #{{User|Shadic 34}} Gotta delete 'em all!
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| #{{User|Killer Moth}} Per all. This article is very unnecessary.
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| #{{User|Wikiboy10}} Unlike the Assist Trophies which do show off some ''Mario'' characters, '''no''' Pokémon is a ''Mario'' character. These are just a bunch of items that we have merged because ''Smash'' is an adjectiveless crossover (credits to Glowsquid on that term).
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| #{{User|Waluigi Time}} Surprisingly I actually do support this one, even pre-merge I thought it was weird that the Poke Ball article was about an item that things come out of but then it didn't actually list any of those things. We don't really need a collective article for them, covering them where they're relevant to the game is fine. (Honestly I think a case can be made for splitting Poke Ball on length alone in the same vein as Assist Trophy. I know we're trying to minimize Smash articles but at the same time we have to acknowledge when list formatting might not be appropriate.)
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| #{{User|TheFlameChomp}} Per all. Everything on this page is either unrelated to Mario, or it can be covered on another already existing page.
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| #{{User|Tails777}} Finally, a reason to use Explosion that doesn't involve me fainting. And it's Super Effective! (per all)
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| #{{User|ThePowerPlayer}} Per all.
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| #{{user|Blhte}} Gotta release them all!
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| #{{User|Power Flotzo}} Per all.
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| #{{User|Camwood777}} - Per all. If there were a Pokemon/Mario crossover outside of Smash Bros. (Nintendo Power joking about how to get Yoshi in Gen 1 aside, natch), maybe this'd have a more compelling reason to exist. Alas, no such thing exists, so until that day, we should probably relent as this article is very obviously a relic of a pre-SmashWiki era long gone by. (Seriously, we have more a compelling reason to cover ''[[Puzzle & Dragons: Super Mario Bros. Edition|the Puzzle & Dragons characters]]'' than we do Pokemon, and uh, we sure aren't doing that at the moment!)
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| #{{User|Yo'ster}} - Per all. One of the minor complaints I have about the wiki is that it tends to have a problem with bloat and going into too much detail about unrelated tangents, and the Pokémon article is a good example of this.
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| #{{User|RHG1951}} Per all.
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| #{{User|SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)}} Normally I would say no, but if the fighters would get merged with the Smash fighter lists, I would support. Then there's whether to treat Brawl/Ultimate Pokemon Trainer & 3DS/Wii U Charizard as separate characters or not, but that would require another proposal.
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| Should this not be redirected to [[<nowiki>Category:Pokémon series</nowiki>]] (don't know how to link a category sorry) rather than outright deleted - i.e. like [[Fire Emblem]], [[Earthbound]], [[Metal Gear Solid]]? (though it's quite irregular how these categories work - some link to disambiguation pages, some link to Smash Bros fighters, [[Castlevania]] links to Dracula's Castle for some reason...) {{User:MrConcreteDonkey/sig}} 13:16, April 18, 2023 (EDT)
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| :(<code><nowiki>[[:Category:Pokémon series]]</nowiki></code>)
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| :Not even sure if we really ''need'' those category pages. They're just holdovers when we had all those special moves receiving their own pages and whatnot. {{User:Mario/sig}} 20:14, April 20, 2023 (EDT)
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| Assuming redirects of specific Pokemon that lead into this article will also be deleted? Y'know, stuff like [[Fennekin]], [[Gardevoir]], etc. '''''[[User:Camwood777|<font color="red">~Camwood777</font>]]''' [[User talk:Camwood777|<font color="red">(talk)</font>]]''
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| :There's probably little reason for them to exist, so I assume they'll be deleted too. {{User:Mario/sig}} 14:56, April 22, 2023 (EDT)
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| ::Those should be updated to point to wherever the information ends up going after this proposal. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 16:12, April 22, 2023 (EDT)
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| So now the proposal to delete the article has passed, the article is now a redirect to the Pokemon series category. But, there are a few things I am confused about. 1, Some of the redirects in the category redirect back to the category with a invalid section. 2, What will happen with Brawl/Ultimate Pokemon Trainer & 3DS/Wii U Charizard? {{User|SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)}} 08:42, May 1, 2023 (CST)
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| :I think we should just delete the category. They are all either redirects or are soon going to redirect to a stage list or disambiguations for moves that don't have a place on any list because we decided to omit the moves from the fighter lists. Other series categories that would need to be deleted for the same reasons include ''[[:Category:ARMS series|ARMS]]'', ''[[:Category:EarthBound series|EarthBound]]'', ''[[:Category:Wii Fit series|Wii Fit]]'' and ''[[:Category:Xenoblade series|Xenoblade]]''. [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] ([[User talk:SeanWheeler|talk]]) 03:03, May 3, 2023 (EDT)
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| ::Redirect to the Pokéball Smash items page. Bada-bing, bada-boom, skiddly-bop, problem solved. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 09:41, May 3, 2023 (EDT)
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| :::What will happen with Brawl/Ultimate Pokemon Trainer & 3DS/Wii U Charizard? {{User|SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)}} 13:52, May 09, 2023 (CST)
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| ::::They're alive and well on [[List of fighters debuting in Super Smash Bros. Brawl]]. {{User:Koopa con Carne/Sig}} 15:05, May 9, 2023 (EDT)
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| :::::If my opinion on the state of these pages is to be considered, I do think they're alive, but well??? [[File:Fear SMRPG.png]] Well... [https://web.archive.org/web/20110310140725/http://www.mariowiki.com:80/Conker_(series) I'm getting Conker (series) vibes] where content related to these were given full coverage, later reduced to these list pages, and then they were deleted. {{User:Mario/sig}} 22:51, May 10, 2023 (EDT)
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| ::::::I don't know. I think we should really revise how this wiki covers crossovers. Not just Smash Bros. but the Mario & Sonic series and other games that are only part-Mario. [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] ([[User talk:SeanWheeler|talk]]) 23:00, May 11, 2023 (EDT)
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| :::::::We already don't give FULL coverage to crossovers. We give full coverage of Mario related stuff. Crossovers get trimmed accordingly. Smash has been trimmed a lot. This infinite loop needs to stop, or we won't be covering crossovers at all. We might end up just covering the Mario franchise if this keeps going. We might end up covering only one game, or stop being a Mario wiki all together. We would be a nothing wiki. {{User|SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)}} 10:42, May 23, 2023 (CST)
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| ::::::::I somewhat concur, but Mario stuff in crossovers definitely should stay on the wiki. However, I think a lot of the other stuff is better suited elsewhere like SmashWiki for Smash content [[User:CoolNintendo|CoolNintendo]] ([[User talk:CoolNintendo|talk]]) 12:37, May 23, 2023 (EDT)
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