Editing Talk:Poison Mushroom

==(First topic)==
werent there poison shrooms in mansion? {{Unsigned|Sadaharu}}

:There are purple Mushrooms that shrink Luigi if he touches them. They act like Poision Mushrooms from Super Mario Kart (but I don't think they are named in Luigi's Mansion). --[[User:Son of Suns|Son of Suns]] 15:38, 30 June 2006 (EDT)

== It's FANART! ==

<strike>That poison Mushroom on the top is FANART! could someone ''please'' replace it? I can't.</strike>

'''Top:''' SMB:LL
'''Middle:''' SMK
'''Bottom:''' PM
{{User:Knife/sig}} 18:56, 27 February 2007 (EST)

SMK??? [[User:Maxlover2|Max2]]

Oh, '''S'''uper '''M'''ario '''K'''art. I get it. [[User:Maxlover2|Max2]]

Err no Knife actually he was talking about the one I deleted arleady. {{User:Paper Jorge/sig|Out}}

??? What one??? [[User:Maxlover2|Max2]] Ok then, what's SMK???

My image below the main one is Lost Levels, Mario Kart, Paper Mario 2. Sorry for any confusion.
<br>- [[User: Yoshi Mastar|Yoshi Master]]

Why does it say the poison mushroom is similar to the mini mushroom? It's not, a mini mushroom is a beneficial item (even though it makes Mario vulnerable and weaker) while poison mushrooms are always bad. And do poison mushrooms make mario small in most games, or just a few? They usually just make him take damage. I think that trivia item is misleading. {{User:CrystalYoshi/sig}}

I'm talking about the poison mushrooms that make you shrink. {{User:Super mario fan/sig}}

It says that in [[Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga]] Mario ingested a Poison Mushroom. He actually ingested a [[Invincishroom]] which was considered deadly to outsiders. This should be rewritten.
{{Unsigned|Reversinator}}

Yes, that's true. I'll delete it. Hey, and don't forget to sign your comments. {{User:Supershroom/sig}}

Done, but I've given it a small note. To Mario, it was a fact a poisonous Mushrom {{User:Supershroom/sig}}

== Merge Rotten Mushroom into this page ==
{{Settled TPP}}
{{Proposal outcome|failed|2-13|Do not merge}}
I had been voting for the awards, and one of the choices for the worst obstacle is "Poison Mushroom/Rotten Mushroom". Likewise, the Rotten Mushroom is given an internal filename that's the same name as the Poison Mushroom: "PoisonKinoko". Perhaps there's a potential to merge the Rotten Mushroom page into the Poison Mushroom page.

'''Proposer''': {{User|GuntherBB}}<br>
'''Deadline''': June 26, 2023, 23:59 GMT

===Support===
#{{User|GuntherBB}} Per proposal
#{{User|CBFan5}} Per proposal

===Oppose===
#{{User|Spectrogram}} These are two very different "power-ups" that function differently, have a different appearance, and a different in-game name.
#{{User|Swallow}} Per Spectogram, we don't merge distinct subjects just because they're similar, only if there is evidence that they're supposed to be the same.
#{{User|FanOfYoshi}} Per all.
#{{User|Doc von Schmeltwick}} - 'Based on in development'=/='the same in finished product.' These are no more similar to each other than either of them are to [[Zombie Shroom]]s.
#{{User|Waluigi Time}} Per all, time will likely tell if these are meant to be the same thing or not but for now there's not much in its favor. Also, the decisions for Awards are made with different standards and factors in mind than those used for wiki coverage and should never be used as an argument in a proposal.
#{{User|Arend}} Per all + see comments
#{{User|Hewer}} Though these two mushrooms are obviously related, there is nothing to suggest that they are the same thing. Per all.
#{{User|MegaBowser64}} PEr ALl
#{{User|TheFlameChomp}} Per all.
#{{User|Killer Moth}} Per all.
#{{User|PrincessPeachFan}} Not related.
#{{User|ThePowerPlayer}} Per all.
#{{User|Wikiboy10}} Obviously, this proposal is going to fail, but the Japanese name in-game is not the same. Heck, their functions are different too; Rotten follows you while Poison moves more like a traditional enemy.

===Comments===
First of all, if the two had to be merged, I feel like we should merge Rotten Mushroom to Poison Mushroom instead of the other way around: the Poison Mushroom appears way more often than the Rotten Mushroom.<br>Even then, items looking and acting similar while sharing an internal filename is not exactly enough to deem the two as one and the same, I feel. We still have [[Coin Coffer]] and [[Magmaargh]] separate from [[Moneybags]] and [[Blargg]], respectively, for instance. {{User:Arend/sig}} 03:39, June 13, 2023 (EDT)
: Yeah, we already had this with the Mega/Morty Mole situation. They are not related outside of the internal file names so they do not need to be merged. [[User:PrincessPeachFan|PrincessPeachFan]] ([[User talk:PrincessPeachFan|talk]]) 11:06, June 15, 2023 (EDT)

== Split Cursed Mushroom? ==
The "Cursed Mushroom" in the early ''Mario Party'' games appears to be a different, but similar item, akin to Rotten Mushroom above. While it was initially translated as "Poison Mushroom," later translations were more faithful. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 01:09, April 17, 2024 (EDT)
:I have also thought the same thing regarding this, and I think I would largely be in support of splitting these pages. One thing I think is important to note regarding this issue is that Poison Mushrooms themselves had much less of an established design at the time of the early ''Mario Party'' games, making it highly possible that the design similarity is something of a coincidence, though it appears that ''[[Mario Party]] 1'' refers to its similarly-designed Poison Mushroom (not a usable item, but a consequence of landing on a [[Mushroom Space]]) as a Poison Mushroom in all regions. On the other hand, the concept of a "cursed" mushroom and its effect is probably derived from Shy Guy's Curse House, which appears on [[Mystery Land]] in ''[[Mario Party 2]]'', which has the same effect as the later Cursed Mushrooms but is thematically unrelated to mushrooms in any way. Sorry, I rambled a bit there but all this is to say that I do think I'd be in support of such a merger, one way or another. {{User:Pseudo/sig}} 23:52, May 28, 2024 (EDT)
::I'd support a split. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 01:40, May 29, 2024 (EDT)

==Split Cursed Mushroom from this article==
{{TPP}}
Credit to Doc von Schmeltwick in the discussion above this one for raising this issue first.

OK, so this one needs a bit of explanation. In ''[[Mario Party 2]]'', there was a board event on [[Mystery Land]] called Shy Guy's Curse House, which allowed players to place curses on themselves or each other, which would reduce the cursed player's next dice roll to a range of 1-3. In ''[[Mario Party 3]]'', an item known in Japanese as のろいキノコ (''Noroi Kinoko'', "Cursed Mushroom") was introduced, which was localized in the English release as "Poison Mushroom". This mushroom, which has a purple cap, green spots, and angry eyes, allows the user to choose a player and reduce that player's next dice roll to a range of 1-3. In the same game, one of the events on a [[Bowser Space]] is Bowser's Curse, which reduces everyone's next dice roll to a range of 1-3.

The item returned in the GameCube era as the [[Cursed Mushroom Orb]] (Cursed Mushroom Capsule in ''[[Mario Party 5]]''), where it had basically the same appearance, including a purple cap, green spots, and angry eyes, as well as the same Japanese name, just more accurately localized this time. It now reduced the player's dice roll to a range of 1-5. After ''[[Mario Party 7]]'', where the Cursed Mushroom was granted by [[Koopa Kid Space]]s instead of as a usable item, the Cursed Mushroom disappeared, but its ''Mario Party 3'' effects returned in ''[[Mario Party Superstars]]'' as the [[Creepy Dice Block|Cursed Dice Block]], later localized as the Creepy Dice Block in ''[[Super Mario Party Jamboree]]'', where it once again reduces a player's dice roll to a range of 1-3. See the connection here? Curses reduce a player's dice roll to a range of 1-3, or 1-5 in some cases, and as far as I can tell, poison is never mentioned outside the localization of ''Mario Party 3''.

It seems to me that the localizers named the ''Mario Party 3'' item the Poison Mushroom probably due to its visual likeness to ''[[Super Mario Bros.: The Lost Levels]]''{{'}} Poison Mushroom (and perhaps due to its likeness to ''[[Mario Party]]''{{'}}s Poisonous Mushroom, as I'll discuss below). Perhaps noticing the trend of how these effects are named when localizing ''Mario Party 5'', they later decided to translate the name more directly, getting us the Cursed Mushroom, which was never meant to be the same thing as the Poison Mushroom anyways; it's a mushroom that curses you, not one that poisons you. Splitting these pages would make this distinction clear to readers of the wiki and reduce confusion caused by an imperfect localization <strike>(even if the ''Mario Party 3'' item will always be the Poison Mushroom to me)</strike>.

If successful, this proposal would split off information concerning the following games from this article:
*''[[Mario Party 3]]''
*''[[Mario Party 5]]''
*''[[Mario Party 6]]''
*''[[Mario Party 7]]''

To play devil's advocate, I ought to mention the one point of contention that I can currently see here: the Poisonous Mushroom that can appear when landing on a [[Mushroom Space]] in ''Mario Party''. While it has a totally different effect (causing the player to lose a turn instead of reducing their maximum dice roll), it shares its name in Japanese (at least as far as I'm aware; I'm going off of what is included in the existing article) with the Poison Mushroom of ''Lost Levels'', while having a very similar in-game sprite to ''Mario Party 3''{{'}}s <strike>Poison</strike> ''Cursed'' Mushroom, including a purple cap, green spots, and angry eyes. In this case, I'd argue that this is most similar to the current status of the [[Super Mushroom]] article, which includes information on ''Mario Party 2'' and ''Mario Party 3''{{'}}s Golden Mushroom, which shares its appearance with the [[Golden Dash Mushroom]] (at least as it appeared in ''[[Mario Kart 64]]'', the most recent game in the ''Mario Kart'' series at the time), but its Japanese name with the Super Mushroom of the ''Super Mario'' platformers (not even getting into the naming localization confusion between these two). In all, I think that this is still a well-justified split, but voters should be aware of this detail.

Edit: EvieMaybe pointed out to me on the MarioWiki Discord server that this proposal didn't clarify that this item is ever actually called a "Cursed Mushroom" verbatim in-game (as opposed to a Cursed Mushroom Orb/Capsule). It is called just a Cursed Mushroom in at least two places: in the [[Card Party]] mode of ''Mario Party 5'' (where it also has its usual effect of reducing someone's dice roll to a range of 1-3) and when granted by [[Koopa Kid]] in ''Mario Party 7''.

'''Proposer''': {{User|Pseudo}}<br>
'''Deadline''': November 12, 2024, 23:59 GMT

===Support: Split Cursed Mushroom from this article===
#{{User|Pseudo}} Per proposal.
#{{User|Exiled.Serenity}} This seems sensible to me.
#{{User|EvieMaybe}} seems like a pretty airtight case! per proposal
#{{User|Nintendo101}} Per proposal. Straightforward and well explained.
#{{User|FanOfYoshi}} Per all.
#{{User|Hewer}} Makes sense.
#{{User|Camwoodstock}} This makes sense to us. Per proposal.
#{{User|ThePowerPlayer}} Per proposal.
#{{user|Doc von Schmeltwick}} - Per myself, and per proposal. I was being cautious because of the MP1 Poisonous Mushy.
#{{User|Blinker}} Per proposal.

===Oppose: Keep Cursed Mushroom merged with this article===

===Comments===
So, why wasn't this split in the first place? [[User:PrincessPeachFan|PrincessPeachFan]] ([[User talk:PrincessPeachFan|talk]]) 08:55, November 1, 2024 (EDT)
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 ==Split Cursed Mushroom from this article==
-{{settled TPP}}
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-{{proposal outcome|passed|10-0|Split}}
 Credit to Doc von Schmeltwick in the discussion above this one for raising this issue first.
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 ===Comments===
 So, why wasn't this split in the first place? [[User:PrincessPeachFan|PrincessPeachFan]] ([[User talk:PrincessPeachFan|talk]]) 08:55, November 1, 2024 (EDT)
-:Most likely due to its visual likeness to the actual Poison Mushroom and the fact that it was called a Poison Mushroom in ''Mario Party 3''. {{User|Pseudo}} 10:26, November 1, 2024 (EDT)
-:It looks like this all began due to an [https://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=Poison_Mushroom&diff=prev&oldid=201351 edit made in 2007]. Originally, there was a link to a split article, but [https://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=Cursed_Mushroom&diff=1041655&oldid=947551 it was abruptly merged at some point in 2011] that went uncontested. {{User:Camwoodstock/sig}} 11:28, November 1, 2024 (EDT)
-::Huh, I had no idea that it used to be split. Thanks for the history lesson! {{User:Pseudo/sig}} 12:19, November 1, 2024 (EDT)