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== Coverage ==
== Coverage ==


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Does PictoChat itself really warrant an article? It seems to me that this should just be trimmed down to the Smash stage. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 12:35, November 30, 2020 (EST)
Does PictoChat itself really warrant an article? It seems to me that this should just be trimmed down to the Smash stage. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 12:35, November 30, 2020 (EST)
:I think Pictochat coverage could just be add on the Nintendo DS article itself, while keeping only the information about Smash. Pictochat isn't something that is Mario-related in any form, so I really don't think having an article regarding Pictochat as a whole is necessary. So yeah, I agree to trim it down only for the Smash coverage--{{User:Ninja Squid/sig}}
:I think Pictochat coverage could just be add on the Nintendo DS article itself, while keeping only the information about Smash. Pictochat isn't something that is Mario-related in any form, so I really don't think having an article regarding Pictochat as a whole is necessary. So yeah, I agree to trim it down only for the Smash coverage--{{User:Ninja Squid/sig}}
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We should certainly say where PictoChat comes from, but our coverage should be focused on the stage. The app information can go on [[Nintendo DS]]'s article. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 14:35, November 30, 2020 (EST)
We should certainly say where PictoChat comes from, but our coverage should be focused on the stage. The app information can go on [[Nintendo DS]]'s article. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 14:35, November 30, 2020 (EST)
So coming back to this, we're all pretty much in agreement for this article to cover just the Brawl stage, right? --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 13:07, January 10, 2021 (EST)


== Proposal about removing mentions about PictoChat service ==
== Proposal about removing mentions about PictoChat service ==


{{Settled TPP}}
{{TPP}}
{{Proposal outcome|vetoed|Proposal is unclear, despite attempts on proposer to expand. A new proposal can be created by someone more well-versed if necessary, but the proposed action may not need one. The conversation above is unfinished, and the proposal was hastily created.}}
Okay, so we are going to a point that we should have a plan about keeping the PictoChat service, or if we need to redirect (partially or fully, or delete it altogether without a redirect) it. As a result of this, it's starting to get into needing a proposal.<br>
 
'''Update''': The proposal is updated<br><br>
Okay, so we are going to a point that we should have a proposal about keeping the PictoChat service, or if we need to redirect it (partially or fully). If anyone doesn't know the guidelines, this is what I am talking about.<br><br>Fully redirect: Everything mentioned is required to be redirected.<br>Partial redirect: Some content mentioned is required to get redirected: Examples include the overview, the trivia, etc.<br>Keep it: Leave the article alone<br><br>
Updates here held overtime to make more sense<br><br>
'''Proposal''': {{user|Benjaminkirsc}}<br>
'''Proposal''': {{user|Benjaminkirsc}}<br>
'''Deadline''': December 18, 2020, 23:59 GMT<br>
'''Deadline''': December 18, 2020, 23:59 GMT
'''Veto Date''': December 12, 2020, 02:23 GMT
===Redirect all of the PictoChat service mentions===
 
===Full Redirect===
#{{user|Benjaminkirsc}}: I propose to redirect to [[Nintendo DS]] article section titled PictoChat.
#{{user|Benjaminkirsc}}: I propose to redirect to [[Nintendo DS]] article section titled PictoChat.
#{{user|Ninja Squid}}: Per proposal. A simple redirect to the DS article, while keeping only the Super Smash Bros. coverage seems to be the best action overall.
#{{user|Ninja Squid}}: Per proposal. A simple redirect to the DS article, while keeping only the Super Smash Bros. coverage seems to be the best action overall.
#{{User|Waluigi Time}} Apparently this is the option that was agreed upon in the above discussion.
#{{User|DarkNight}} Per all.


===Partial Redirect===
===Redirect part of the PictoChat service mentions===
#{{User|Ray Trace}} I feel like we should keep an overview on what PictoChat is based off of in the intro with basic information pertaining to it, but sure, the extended coverage in the "Using PictoChat" section should be merged with both the intro of the article and part of the Nintendo DS article, which this article should link to in its "article about" segment on the top.
#{{User|Ray Trace}} I feel like we should keep an overview on what PictoChat is based off of in the intro with basic information pertaining to it, but sure, the extended coverage in the "Using PictoChat" section should be merged with both the intro of the article and part of the Nintendo DS article, which this article should link to in its "article about" segment on the top.


===Keep===
===Delete without a redirect===
 
===Keep it===
#{{User|Alex95}} - I'm going to oppose on the grounds of there being absolutely no information here. What do you mean by redirect partially? What information would be moved off? Why would we delete it altogether? "we should plan" is not something to make a proposal about, you make a proposal when you have a plan and need to figure out a path to take on it. If you wanted a plan, the discussion above should've continued, or expand on this proposal to give details on what exactly it is you want to happen.
#{{User|Alex95}} - I'm going to oppose on the grounds of there being absolutely no information here. What do you mean by redirect partially? What information would be moved off? Why would we delete it altogether? "we should plan" is not something to make a proposal about, you make a proposal when you have a plan and need to figure out a path to take on it. If you wanted a plan, the discussion above should've continued, or expand on this proposal to give details on what exactly it is you want to happen.
#{{User|FanOfYoshi}} Per Alex95.
#{{User|FanOfYoshi}} Per Alex95.
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::::::: Oh, shooks, I'm bad. [[User:Benjaminkirsc|Benjaminkirsc]] ([[User talk:Benjaminkirsc|talk]]) 08:33, December 6, 2020 (EST)
::::::: Oh, shooks, I'm bad. [[User:Benjaminkirsc|Benjaminkirsc]] ([[User talk:Benjaminkirsc|talk]]) 08:33, December 6, 2020 (EST)
@Alex95 are you so confused? Now I'm confused about what you are saying. [[User:Benjaminkirsc|Benjaminkirsc]] ([[User talk:Benjaminkirsc|talk]]) 08:34, December 6, 2020 (EST)
@Alex95 are you so confused? Now I'm confused about what you are saying. [[User:Benjaminkirsc|Benjaminkirsc]] ([[User talk:Benjaminkirsc|talk]]) 08:34, December 6, 2020 (EST)
:I'm asking for specifics, and so was Waluigi Time. He wasn't looking for a definition on the word "some". Exactly what is your plan for this article? What content would be removed if the option of "some" is chosen? Why would we delete the article in the first place if the content still falls under our coverage? Do you have any examples, or can you make any examples, of how you want this article to look? {{User:Alex95/sig}} 12:13, December 6, 2020 (EST)
:: @Alex95 examples include the overview, the trivia, etc. I deleted the delete opinion because it was bucky in my opinion. I also removed the "plan" word because it was bucky in my opinion as well. And what the article would be when it removes the PictoChat service would make it only the Super Smash Bros. Brawl stage. Wow, I have to explain much. But do you want me to explain more? [[User:Benjaminkirsc|Benjaminkirsc]] ([[User talk:Benjaminkirsc|talk]]) 12:24, December 6, 2020 (EST)
:::Thank you, that is exactly what I was looking for. Truth be told, I already knew what you meant (really could not have been anything else), but this sort of information is what belongs in the proposal. When you make a proposal, you have to be as detailed as possible to get your point across. I was trying to get you to see that, if you don't explain anything, people will have questions. So yes, I would like you to explain more, but in the proposal itself. Expand on what the options mean and why we should or should not vote for them. Tell us how you envision this article looking like. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 12:31, December 6, 2020 (EST)
:::: @Alex95 you are welcome =). That is a helpful tool. [[User:Benjaminkirsc|Benjaminkirsc]] ([[User talk:Benjaminkirsc|talk]]) 12:32, December 6, 2020 (EST)
Anyone who further questions about the policy must look at the policy about redirecting at the top. [[User:Benjaminkirsc|Benjaminkirsc]] ([[User talk:Benjaminkirsc|talk]]) 12:10, December 6, 2020 (EST)
: I'm still lost about what's going on here. The new "explanations" are essentially just the options reworded and don't really answer any questions. There's still no explanation on what "some" content is that would be removed. All I want is to have the page trimmed to solely focus on the Brawl stage, with a brief mention of its origins - what option do I have to vote for to get that? --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 13:18, December 6, 2020 (EST)
:: @Waluigi Time, Did you read what I wrote clearly? If you want me to make the opinions more clear, fine. Then if you want to say "All I want is to have the page trimmed to solely focus on the Brawl stage" I would like for you to say that you want to redirect all of the PictoChat services mentions to the Nintendo DS article. Also, examples for the "some" part include the overview, the trivia, etc (I put it up there so it could be easier to read). If you are still confused, we can talk about it on my talk page. Beforehand, I'll clean up this proposal here. [[User:Benjaminkirsc|Benjaminkirsc]] ([[User talk:Benjaminkirsc|talk]]) 15:02, December 6, 2020 (EST)
:::So if "full redirect" removes all non-Smash content from this page, what does "partial redirect" do? You already mentioned the overview and trivia would be moved under a partial redirect, does the "Using PictoChat" section also get moved in a partial redirect? If so, both options do exactly the same thing. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 16:49, December 6, 2020 (EST)
:::: Partial redirect partially removes some information that may not be needed from the page<br>Since this reaction of getting into confusion, I have to merge the "full redirect" and "partial redirect" into "redirect" to make it easier for people to vote. Deal or do you want the split it again? [[User:Benjaminkirsc|Benjaminkirsc]] ([[User talk:Benjaminkirsc|talk]]) 17:18, December 6, 2020 (EST)
:::::Reverted edit because the action changed people's votes. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 17:21, December 6, 2020 (EST)
:::::: Oops, I'm bad. [[User:Benjaminkirsc|Benjaminkirsc]] ([[User talk:Benjaminkirsc|talk]]) 17:23, December 6, 2020 (EST)

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