Editing Talk:Pi'i-latte

===Merge [[Pi'i-latte]] with [[List of implied items]]===
{{TPP}}
This item is never seen in the game, and it can't be placed in your inventory. Mario and Luigi do use it to heal themselves, but it is never seen. It's more of a Pokemon Center in a store. There is no reason this should have its own article, because even if it does heal you, there is not much known about it.

Also, this article is requesting images when there are barely any images to put here. That's like putting a Blorb Mushroom article on Mario Wiki and saying, "Huh, we need images for the Blorb Mushroom. I know, let's request images, even if the only thing we can put is [[Toadbert]] mentioning it!". I know it has a name and purpose, but it is never seen. Therefore, [[list of implied items]] seems like the most reasonable place to put this image-less article.

'''Proposer''': {{User|Madz the Penguin}}<br>
'''Deadline''': November 18, 2014, 23:59 GMT

====Support====
#{{User|Madz the Penguin}} Per my proposal

====Oppose====
#{{User|BabyLuigi64}} Yeah, so maybe the item is never seen, but regardless, we see Mario and Luigi use it, unlike all of the implied items on the list. In a way, it's like [[Toadstool's ???]], except that it actually does something. We can upload an image of the bros. requesting the latte or something.
#{{User|Boo4761}} Per BabyLuigi64.
#{{User|SuperYoshiBros}} Per BabyLuigi64.
#{{User|Megadardery}} The implied items list is for minor objects that didn't make appearance in the game, yet they are mentioned during one of it's cutscenes/dialogs. As you may notice, this item has usage, so it appeared in a game (though not an actual appearance).
#{{User|Toadbrigade5}} You use it. So its not implied.
#{{User|Tsunami}} Per BabyLuigi64. It's actually used. An implied item is an item of the which someone have mentioned sometime, but is never used/seen. This is not implied because Mario and Luigi use it.

====Comments====

The beginning of the list of implied items article says it has all of the items ''that aren't physically seen''. It doesn't say it has items that are only mentioned by people and are not seen by Mario. It sounds like the article is for items that are not seen ''by the player''. So, even if most people oppose, we need to change something so a misunderstanding like this doesn't happen again. [[User:Madz the Penguin|Madz the Penguin]] ([[User talk:Madz the Penguin|talk]]) 21:33, 5 November 2014 (EST)
:Yeah, that's true, since this item is more than a passing mention, maybe that should be clarified. {{User:BabyLuigi64/sig}}
::We need to have a clear explanation on what goes into list of implied articles, because this item, even if it's for items like the Blorb Mushroom, is in there:

''The Universal Gravitation Device was an unseen item given to Yoshi by the spirit Hongo in Yoshi Topsy-Turvy, however considering that the player controls the gravity via Game Boy Advance, it's possible its appearance resembles one.''

::After this proposal, let's change the intro and make the Universal Gravitation Device an article, since Yoshi uses it. [[User:Madz the Penguin|Madz the Penguin]] ([[User talk:Madz the Penguin|talk]]) 10:05, 6 November 2014 (EST)
:::Really? So you're saying, create an article with (assuming it'd contain the same info as in that section) an introductory sentence, with some kind of speculation over how it looks, and repetition of basic gameplay of the whole game. Doesn't sound right to me, and this article is not comparable. {{User:BabyLuigi64/sig}}

::::Then why is Pi'l-latte an article? Both items have a use, and Universal Gravitation Device is more important (I'm guessing, correct me if I'm wrong) than Pi'l-latte and Toadstool's ??? combined. We could change it to fit Mario Wiki's standards, since Yoshi uses it and it's important to gameplay (it's called Yoshi Topsy-Turvy, so I'm just assuming). [[User:Madz the Penguin|Madz the Penguin]] ([[User talk:Madz the Penguin|talk]]) 18:10, 6 November 2014 (EST)

:::::Did I not just say they're not comparable? I gave what would be contained in a "Universal Gravitation Device" article based on the given information in a nutshell. Is this article like that? No. Minus the images template and quote at the top, we have an introduction sentence, then its effect (which does not revolve around the general gameplay) and then where to find it. Then it compares the effect to other things in the game, and where not to look for it. Does anything other than the needed-everywhere introduction sentence part match with my description of the UGD section? This article features more crucial info that won't fit anywhere else. In that section, the second paragraph '''''is''''' gameplay. That's why I feel like this deserves to be an article while the Universal Gravitation Device cannot be saved from the implied items list. We simply cannot expand that section past what it is. {{User:BabyLuigi64/sig}}

::::::I don't want to start an argument, so I'm going to say this as calmly as possible, and you'll understand in a way that I can fully understand. I'm new here, so I don't know much about how articles work around here. I don't know much about what deserves to be an article on here and what doesn't. So, please help me understand this more.

The Universal Gravitation Device could be just one paragraph. [[Dr. Toadley's intern]] is (almost, because it talks about [[Birdley]]) one paragraph long. [[Shroomshock]] is one paragraph long. Why can't that be one paragraph long in a separate article? [[Toadstool's ???]] should be in the [[list of implied items]] if I'm following what you're saying. [[User:Madz the Penguin|Madz the Penguin]] ([[User talk:Madz the Penguin|talk]]) 21:33, 6 November 2014 (EST)
::But if we did cut the second paragraph, that would leave us with:

::The Universal Gravitation Device was an unseen item given to Yoshi by the spirit Hongo in Yoshi Topsy-Turvy, however considering that the player controls the gravity via Game Boy Advance, it's possible its appearance resembles one.

::That's much shorter than your two examples, and THOSE happen to be shorter than Toadstool's ???. I understand you're new and not trying to start an argument. {{User:BabyLuigi64/sig}}

:::I was thinking about combining the first and second paragraph and editing it so that it makes sense, but I see your point. We could just replace it with a different name and it wouldn't change the story at all. Now I get the Universal...item is just as important as the Blorb Mushroom (okay, in my opinion, the Blorb Mushroom is important, but you guys don't think it is, so I'm using that example) [[User:Madz the Penguin|Madz the Penguin]] ([[User talk:Madz the Penguin|talk]]) 09:47, 7 November 2014 (EST)
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 ===Merge [[Pi'i-latte]] with [[List of implied items]]===
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-{{Proposal outcome|failed|1-11|Don't merge}}
 This item is never seen in the game, and it can't be placed in your inventory. Mario and Luigi do use it to heal themselves, but it is never seen. It's more of a Pokemon Center in a store. There is no reason this should have its own article, because even if it does heal you, there is not much known about it.
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 #{{User|Toadbrigade5}} You use it. So its not implied.
 #{{User|Tsunami}} Per BabyLuigi64. It's actually used. An implied item is an item of the which someone have mentioned sometime, but is never used/seen. This is not implied because Mario and Luigi use it.
-#{{User|Mario}} In this case, that Mario and Luigi buy the thing and the thing restores their health makes it more of an explicit object rather than an item that has been only mentioned. None of the items in [[List of implied items]] are common gameplay elements that the players directly interact.
-#{{User|Ghost Jam}} Per BabyLuigi64.
-#{{User|Walkazo}} - Per all.
-#{{User|Glitchy Bowser Jr.}} Per BabyLuigi64.
-#{{User|Poltergeyser}} Per Megadardery.
 ====Comments====
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 :::I was thinking about combining the first and second paragraph and editing it so that it makes sense, but I see your point. We could just replace it with a different name and it wouldn't change the story at all. Now I get the Universal...item is just as important as the Blorb Mushroom (okay, in my opinion, the Blorb Mushroom is important, but you guys don't think it is, so I'm using that example) [[User:Madz the Penguin|Madz the Penguin]] ([[User talk:Madz the Penguin|talk]]) 09:47, 7 November 2014 (EST)
-::::They're important-ish, but they never get elaboration. {{User:BabyLuigi64/sig}}