Editing Talk:Petey Piranha

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== Petey's Age ==

That can't be true because if Mario was a baby back then, then that would mean Petey was a baby, because he's probably the same age as Mario. --[[User:PeteyPiranhaLover|PeteyPiranhaLover]] 16:53, 3 August 2006 (EDT)
:Where in the article does it talk about Petey's age? <span style="font-family:Kunstler Script; color:#006633;"><font size="5">'''[[User:Wayoshi|W]]'''ayoshi</font></span> 17:09, 3 August 2006 (EDT)

It doesn't. I'm just saying that it's possible that Petey was mutated after he grew up, thus meaning that he was a baby back in the past and that his father fought The four Mario bros. --[[User:PeteyPiranhaLover|PeteyPiranhaLover]] 22:45, 7 August 2006 (EDT)
:That is a possible explanation. <span style="font-family:Kunstler Script; color:#006633;"><font size="5">'''[[User:Wayoshi|W]]'''ayoshi</font></span><small> ( [[User talk:Wayoshi|T]]<tt>&middot;</tt>[[Special:Contributions/Wayoshi|C]]<tt>&middot;</tt>[[Special:Emailuser/Wayoshi|@]] )</small> 22:57, 7 August 2006 (EDT)

How can a plant have a father? -- [[User:Sir Grodus|Sir Grodus]]

Where does it say Petey Piranha is male? -- [[User:FireFlower|FireFlower]]

Because lots of fans speculate that in Mario and Luigi: partners in Time that that was possibbly
Petey's father. --[[User:PeteyPiranhaLover|PeteyPiranhaLover]] 00:07, 8 August 2006 (EDT)

That doesn't really answer my question, I mean how can a plant or even a plant based creature biologically give birth to a child? -- [[User:Sir Grodus|Sir Grodus]]

The [[Mario]] games are fantasy anyway. Almost anything happen. Look at [[Mom Piranha]]. She has mom in her name and she can make [[Piranha Plants]] grow out of the ground as well. [[User: Paper Jorge|Paper Jorge]] 5:10, August 13, 2006

I guess that makes sense -- [[User:Sir Grodus|Sir Grodus]]

On that point, how do Goombas and Koopa Troopas have babies?  See?  Anything goes in the Marioverse.

And how did Bowser have Bowser Jr.?

. . . Never mind, I don't want to know.
[[User:Waluigi Freak 99|Waluigi Freak 99]] 18:18, 29 August 2006 (EDT)

==Species==
Is Petey Piranha considered a species? In [[Mario Hoops 3 on 3]] there are two Petey Piranhas on the Petey Piranha Court. If that is true, it probably means that the Petey in MLPiT was the Main Petey's Dad. &ndash; [[User Talk:Spike|Spike]][[Image:Spike_sheild_badge.PNG]]

:What evidence suggests that the Petey in ML:Pit is the dad of Petey from Super Mario Sunshine? Whose to say that the Petey from Super Mario Sunshine is not the great grandfather of the Petey from Mario Kart: Double Dash? Different creatures have different lifespans. In regards to naming Petety Piranha a species, if we start to see more and more multiple Petey Piranhas in games, we should then call Petey a species. Right now information is too ambiguous. -- [[User: Son of Suns|Son of Suns]]

It still is weird, seeing two Petey Pianhas in the game, however we should note that the game was made by [[Square Enix]] and not [[Nintendo]]. <span style="font-family:verdana; color:#red;"><font size="5">'''[[User:Paper Jorge|P]]'''aper '''Jorge'''</font></span><small> ( [[User talk:Paper Jorge|Need to tell me something? Go to my talk page.]]<tt>&middot;</tt>[[Special:Contributions/Paper Jorge|Contributions]]<tt>&middot;</tt></small>) 16:16, 23 October 2006 (EDT)

No matter who made it, Nintendo still gave them licensing. It is just like saying that all the events in SMRPG were not real or that the ML series were non-canonical just because they were made by Square Enix (Square Soft back then) and Alpha Dream.{{User:Knife/sig}}

*Mabey he cloned himself before the game {{User:WarioLoaf/sig}}

Cloned? How?{{User:Knife/sig}}

Maybe he, err, barfed up a copy of himself. -- [[User:Sir Grodus|Sir Grodus]]

*He had to have a mother.Mabey it was his twin brother? {{User:WarioLoaf/sig}}

Now, hold it. Maybe the two Peteys means there's a reason he was called Boss P. Plant in ''SPP''. -[[User:Dodoman]]

No, Petey Piranha Was Named Boss Piranha Plant Because Boss Pakkun Is Petey Piranha's Name In Japan And Pakkun Is Japanese For Piranha Plant, kind of like how Giant Kamek's entry in the enemy glossary says a kamek made huge by magic, and all magikoopas in japan are called kameks. --[[User:ThwompMaster|ThwompMaster]]

Its-a me Mario freak how could Petey have a mother petey Petey was mutated! {{User|Mario freak}}

Get ready for a complicated post. I believe that Piranha Plants with petals have the ability to spit goop even if they're not covered in goop. Take the Piranha Plants from Delfino Plaza Court in Mario Power Tennis for example. They can spit goop because they have PETALS. Then, we go to Piranha Beans; they're PIranha Plants with "pants", leaves for arms, and stubby legs, just like Petey Piranha! So, I think that Petey Piranha is a Piranha Bean that was mutated so he gained the power to spit goop, and 1 or both of the Peteys from Daisy Garden are other Piranha Beans that were mutated. {{User|MarioComix}}

== Piranha Bean ==

Petey and [[Piranha Bean]] are totally different characters. Whoever added that info, read this! {{User:Paper Jorge/sig}}
*Actually he could've been a Piranna bean before he grew into a disfigured swim suit model. {{User:WarioLoaf/sig}}

Not official anyway.{{User:Paper Jorge/sig}}
:Mouser45 added it. Not the same character. {{User:Wayoshi/sig}} 00:47, 27 November 2006 (EST)

I agree with WarioLoaf. Considering Petey Looks so similar to a Piranha Bean, it is highly possible that he got mutated when he was a Piranha Bean. I'd also like to change my above theory and state that Petey possibley was born before any other Mario chraracter, leading to the fact that his mutation made him imortal. So if that is possible, then I believe that he is the same one we all saw in Mario and Luigi 2, and all other games. But contridicting Mario Hoops 3 on 3, since no one knows which one was the real Petey.--[[User:PeteyPiranhaLover|PeteyPiranhaLover]] 22:39, 14 December 2006 (EST)

Maybe another Piranha Bean got mutated too? [[User:Plumber|Plumber]] [[Image:Waluigidance.gif]]

Eh...with so much Peteys this is confusing. {{User:Paper Jorge/sig|Yo!}}

Wait, how do we know he got mutated? And why does this matter so much? Maybe a piranha bean and Petey Piranha look similar, but Nintendo never officially said anything about whether they are related or not, so anything about the matter is just a fan theory and not official information. And I think you're talikg the two Petey Piranhas a little too seriously. Do the Petey Piranhas do anything, or are they just part of the course? The game company may have just liked the design of the character, and decided to put two in. There's too much confusion surrounding this (single) character, because of little things. [[User:Orangeyoshi|Orangeyoshi]]

Just a thought, but some plants live a REALLY long time, so the one in all games might be the same one. Also, I am not sure, but maybe Square Enix didn't really think about the illogical sense of two Peteys. Just a couple ideas. [[User: Super Joshi 7]]

So you're saying pirahna beans existed before the events of ML:PiT? [[User:MarioFan9999|MarioFan9999]] 21:18, 10 July 2008 (EDT)

What if... Piranha Beans are baby Petey Piranhas? Just a theory. [[User:Paperphailurethemariomonster99|That explains a lot.]]

== Species... ==

Now I got it: Petey is a species. That explains why Petey has died many times and returned. Excplains why he's in the past. Explains why there's more than 1 in Hoops. Explains Piranha Bean who could be a younger version of a Petey Plant.

What do you say? {{User:Paper Jorge/sig|Petey, oh Petey.}}

Explain. {{User:3dejong/sig|explain why I like this sig so much.}}

First, we don't know that Petey has died - lots of characters get defeated but come back -  but they don't die. Only a few characters have died, such as Wrinkly Kong and Bowser. The rest just kinda disappear. Second, how does being species explain why Petey is in the past? We don't know his age, he could be much much older than the Mario Bros., meaning it's the same Petey in both M&L: PoT and SMS. Third, it is possible that a species explains two Peteys in Hoops - I'll get back to that later. Fourth, although Petey resembles Piranha Beans, we cannot say one is older than the other, only that they appear to be related.

Okay, back to MH3o3. If we find textual evidence in an official source that says two "Peteys" or somehow indicates the name Petey in the plural, we can safely assume that Petey has become a species. This happens all the time. I remember when we had Toad, but then Paper Mario came around, and now we have Toad and Toads. However, is we can't find any evidence saying that both Piranha Plants are named Petey, we can't declare Petey to be a species. Maybe newer games will feature multiple Peteys, confirming the speculation caused by MH3o3. -- [[User: Son of Suns|Son of Suns]]

Either Petey is a kind of species, or Square Enix made a mistake when they added a second Petey Piranha. After all, it only makes sense to add another one, to make it fair. {{unsigned|Chaos}}

Okay listen up. Bowser Jr created petey with his magic paint brush and then petey barfed up a copy of himself. And i guess he went into the time machine or something? {{User|catplanet}}

==Jamaican==

Petey is clearly Jamaican. He's obviously a Jamaican Piranha Plant. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nS7eahAw0oI Jamiacan music. The ones in hoops are also Jamaican. Of course this is an opinion. I'm not saying it's 100% accurate. --[[User:King Boo|King Boo]] 07:31, 20 August 2007 (EDT)
:One thing, this is ridiculous. Who cares if he's Jamaican, or Japanese, or Sumatran, or Mexican. He's a giant [[Piranha Plant]], isn't that enough? {{User:Pokemon DP/sig}}

I'm just saying. If Mario is Italian why can't Petey be Jamaican? --[[User:King Boo|King Boo]] 16:41, 20 August 2007 (EDT)

This convoseration wins the stupidest convo award! {{User:Moogle/sig}}

:Okaaayyy....... this is the most stupidest (yes I know it is impropper grammer) section of a talk page I have ever seen in my life. Congratulations [[User:King Boo|King Boo]]. [[User:MarioGalaxy2433g5|MarioGalaxy2433g5]] 21:08, 20 January 2008 (EST)

Let's stop talking about Bob Petey, and if it's Jamaican or not...... I can easily say even that it is Beanish, since it looks like a mutated Piranha Bean. ''HyperHoundoom''

== "Petey"? ==
Is it possible to abbreviate Petey Piranha with simply "Petey"? And should we do it in an article? - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 16:21, 24 August 2007 (EDT)

Sure it is. {{User:Max2/sig}} And, yes. I guess.

Not in an article, but you could redirect it.{{User:SpikeKnifeNeedleSword/sig}} 16:24, 24 August 2007 (EDT)
:"Petey" is constantly used as a word for Petey Piranha troughout this article and I wonder whether it's ok to write it like that, that's why... - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 16:27, 24 August 2007 (EDT)
::He has not ever been referred to as just Petey, it is just a common fan word. If you see any "Petey"s in the article, be sure to write it out.{{User:SpikeKnifeNeedleSword/sig}} 17:01, 24 August 2007 (EDT)
:::Okay, that's what [http://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=Petey_Piranha&curid=1722&diff=233064&oldid=233048&rcid=240314 I did]. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 17:05, 24 August 2007 (EDT)

Actually, we should note he is, in fact, called "Petey" in PiT. {{User:Max2/sig}}

I don't think it's a problem to call him "Petey" inside of the article. Outside, he should probably be called by his full name, though.
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== Official Artwork ==
1 Image is not very much. Therefore, should we change the section to "Official Artwork and Notable Screenshots" or should we work the artwork into the article? {{User:P. Trainer/sig}}
==[[Super Mario Galaxy]]==
Does the [[Dino Piranha]] in Super Mario Galaxy be put in this article? Because it's head is the same thing.

{{User:Super mario fan/sig}} 09:39, 19 February 2008 (EST)
:The head isn't notable enough. Many Toads and Koopas have the same head form. Petey Piranha and Dino Piranha are definitely not the same creature. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 10:57, 19 February 2008 (EST)
::I suppose we could have a little blurb saying ``Blablabla A simmilar character called Dino Pirhana appear in SMG blablablabla``, but as Cobold said, Dino and Petey are deffinately two different characters. --[[User:Blitzwing|Blitzwing]] 11:39, 19 February 2008 (EST)
Yeah, but we can add it under Trivia. {{User:Super mario fan/sig}} 14:04, 20 February 2008 (EST)

It might be the prehistoric version of Petey Piranha [[User:Princess Grapes Butterfly|Princess Grapes Butterfly]] 14:15, 20 February 2008 (EST)

== Size... ==

Petey's size seems to change... In M&L: PiT, Petey is about double the size of Luigi. In Sunshine, Mario is up to Petey's waist. In Double Dash!!, Petey is around the size of M&L again. In Baseball, same size again. In New SUper mario Bros., Petey is about halfway between both... I'm very confused...[[User:Darth Waluigi]] 20:54, 13 April 2008 (EDT)

In case you didn't notice, Mario characters tend to change size. Look at Bowser. In Super Mario Sunshine and Super Mario 64 he was freaking huge, then in games like Mario Kart he's only slightly bigger than the other characters. [[User:Kobble|Kobble]]

== Member of the Koopa Troop? ==

Who's to say he is? I mean, it's possible considering he's been a boss character in many games, but I have not seen any hard evidence that he isn't just a lone character who gets in the way. In Sunshine he's just on top of the windmill and later asleep. He may have been in possession of the Shine Sprites, but they fled when the island got dirty and were not being held by Bowser, so Bowser could not have given it to Petey. Petey would have found it.

Petey is also not affiliated with Bowser in M&L:PiT (as far as I know).

Unless he is officially in NSMB and Super Princess Peach, I don't think it can be stated he is a follower of Bowser.

Anyone have further info on this?

[[User:Toadster_04|Toadster_04]]
:He isn't in Brawl, as he knocks Mario away, and captures Peach and Zelda (if he was working for Bowser, he'd only go for Mario & Peach, but he went for Zelda also). {{User:MegaMario9910/sig}} There's a way that he was affiliated with Bowser in PiT. There was no proof that Petey was working for the Shroobs. Somehow, the dome in Gritzy Desert was built above his home, so any intruders he could a grasp onto, he would eat (like he did with Kylie and Peach). Petey was probably angry about the dome being built above the underground (which, was probably his home)....

I don't think he works for Bowser. He's probably free spirited, but fights Mario due to his temper. One day he might even help him! {{User:Jaffffey/sig}}

In NSMB, he is the boss of a Koopa Castle and guard one of the Bowser Key. I'd say that count. --[[User:Blitzwing|Blitzwing]] 12:52, 8 November 2008 (EST)

He can ''still'' happen to have the key, like with the Shine Sprite when on top of the windmill in Bianco Hills.
And he'd fight anything when he gets disturbed by Mario or someone, so there's no reasoning that his attacking was planned. {{unsigned|Chaos}}

piranaha plants are in the koopa troop and petey ''is'' a piranha plant.... [[File:Green_lightsaber.jpg‎ |35px]][[User: CatJedi|CatJedi]] check this out my own wiki-> http://whiskerpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Whiskerpedia_Wiki

==Petey Piranha in Mario Pinball?==
The "Petey Piranha" greatly resembles the Piranha Plant-like creatures in Mario Sunshine. Who's to say that it's Petey Piranha instead of one of them? {{unsigned|Chaos}}
:The official website said it's Petey Piranha. Lots of characters get changed around from game to game ([[Bowser]]'s sprites were originally green and bald), so it's best to take Nintendo's word for it on these sorta things. - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 22:56, 23 August 2009 (EDT)

== Petey is Male..... ==

In the Foreing Names section it's stated that Flora is a female name, but in this case I think flora is used to refer to the flower petals on his head; and why it would be male in every language but french?? {{unsigned|HyperHoundoom}}
:Flora is a female name. Fun fact: it's also May's name in the POKéMON anime. Anyway, Petey is female in the German version too. [[User:Koopalmier|Koopalmier]] 10:29, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
::Flora can be both a female name or another name for plants, which is probably the most sensible theory. Petey does not resemble a female in any way, shape or form. {{User:MrConcreteDonkey/sig}} 12:29, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
:::I am Zero! Flora is latin for plant, so it being a female is out of the question. Zero signing out. {{User|Zero777}}
[[User:FireFlower]]- Are you kidding Petey Piranha totally looks like a girl and she is a flower which is generally an attribute prior to a girl. Also she totally acts like a girl.
:...you ovbiously haven't learned that plants can be male. Petey is not a girl's name. He may be female in other countries, but, in the English version, he is male. The games even refer to this by calling him a 'him'. And how many girls do you know who throw up goop and fly? {{User:MrConcreteDonkey/sig}} 16:09, 2 January 2011 (EST)
You mean she? and it even says that Petey Piranha is a male and trust me I know that SHE is a girl. Lets see some actions when she acted like a girl... Did the splits when she makes a home run in Mario Super Sluggers and she does a twirl whenever whenever throws the ball in Mario Super Sluggers. Need more proof- [[User:FireFlower]]
:You are obviously very stereotypical and can't tell that boys can do the splits and twirl. Look, you know that '''HE''' is a he, so why are you continuing with this? It's little more than spam if you're trying to fool us. {{User:MrConcreteDonkey/sig}} 16:44, 2 January 2011 (EST)
You are rude and first of all and I am not trying to be mean. Second of all you need to not threaten me like that spam you mentioned, got it. Petey Piranha is a girl, stop with this quarell and back off. End of story... Also do not continue this argument on my talk page either.- [[User:FireFlower]]

PETEY IS A BOY! {{User|yoshiyoshiyoshi}}

Petey Piranha is male in English, and possibly female in foreign languages. However, since this wiki is in English, that would mean Petey is a male on this wiki unless you are speaking a foreign language where he is a female. [[User:MarioComix|MarioComix]] 22:44, 12 July 2011 (EDT)

== Small Fact ==

In Sunshine when he is crusting over with goop after defeat you can walk through him. Worth anything? --[[User:TimTamChimchar|TimTamChimchar]] 01:22, 29 January 2011 (EST)

== Confusion ==

I am Zero! It is necessary since Petey and Pewee sound like a corruption of each other, they rhyme, which is liable to be confused. Zero signing out. {{User|Zero777}}
:Petey Piranha and Peewee Piranha are two totally different characters, never appeared in the same game, have completely different design and Petey's name has a hard consonant (t) meanwhile Peewee just has a "w". Their names sound nothing alike other than that they rhyme, which is not a good reason to have an {{tem|about}} (you don't see "Not to be confused with [[Wario]]" on Mario's article.) {{User|Marioguy1}}

== I just noticed something... ==

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlUdy2AobjI

Is it possible the petals around Petey's head are a reference to the leaves on Audrey II from Little Shop of Horrors? Should we add this to the trivia section? {{User|Davidk92}}


yes i think we should  --[[User:Kingkoopa64|Kingkoopa64]] ([[User talk:Kingkoopa64|talk]]) 21:39, 3 January 2013 (EST)

== Voice Actor ==

I just noticed that Petey's infobox stated that Takashi Nagasako is his voice actor. Did he start doing Petey Piranha in Mario Power Tennis, because that's when Nagasako did DK's voice, and the two sound a bit alike...maybe it should be pointed out...
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== Mutant ==

Where was it established that Petey is a mutant? Furthermore, is he actually one?
{{User:Master R.O.B/sig}}
:His German name, for starters, and his bio in ''Mario Superstar Baseball''. Technically, he is a mutation since he is a huge deviation from normal Piranha Plants. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 22:52, 16 November 2013 (EST)
::Thanks for the clarification. {{User:Master R.O.B/sig}} 23:31, 16 November 2013 (EST)

== goop clones? ==
Could it be possible that the Petey Pirana's in Super Mario sunshine were really just goop clones made by shadow Mario?
I mean the King boo was a goop clone, as it turned into goop as does Wiggler and Petey Pirana And Petey doesn't turn into goop in any other games so could it be possible (although it would be kind of ironic if true since said game was his depute)[[User:Pikmin theories|Pikmin theories]] ([[User talk:Pikmin theories|talk]]) 11:12, 8 June 2016 (EDT)
:That would be speculation though plausible. On the other hand, Petey Piranha's melting into goop would be the only indicator that it's made of goop, so I don't think there is enough evidence to bring that connection into the article. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 00:41, 9 June 2016 (EDT)

== Quote ==

I think The quote should be changed to one of Petey's lines just before battle in Paper Mario: Color Splash. As a refresher, these are his lines from the game:{{br}}
*<big>GLARBOK!</big>
*GLARBOK! (Knock it off!)
*GLORGOK GLEP GLEP GLOP! (Can't you see I'm poisoning here?!)
*GLAK GLAW! (Sweet freedom!)
*GLOMBO GLEEP GLA— (You shall rue the da—!)
*GLORP GLAP? GORGLE ORGLE GLEP! (What am I thinking? These guys can't understand me anyways!)
*GLAKLAKLAKLAKLAK! (Muahahahaha!)
I'm particularly fond of the second to last one, given how it references Petey's lack of speaking roles.--{{User:Eldritchdraaks/sig}} 13:19, 26 November 2016 (EST)

:I would agree that it should be changed. After all, the same quote from ''Sticker Star'' is being used for the introductory part, '''and''' the ''Sticker Star'' section. I'm going to make the "poisoning" quote for the ''Color Splash'' section (for his role in the game), and the "understand" quote for the top of the page to reference his lack of speaking roles. [[User:MarioComix|MarioComix]] ([[User talk:MarioComix|talk]]) 15:37, 26 November 2016 (EST)
::Though I'm not sure about two things: should I credit the quotes to '''Petea Piranha''', and should I leave the intelligible parts in? [[User:MarioComix|MarioComix]] ([[User talk:MarioComix|talk]]) 15:40, 26 November 2016 (EST)
:::Yes and yes.--{{User:Eldritchdraaks/sig}} 16:08, 26 November 2016 (EST)
Personal input, yes, I feel these quotes fit Petey's personality/character much better than the current one. The second last one would seem the most fitting if you ask me. {{User:Tails777/sig}}

Alright, then I shall move forward with the quote replacements. [[User:MarioComix|MarioComix]] ([[User talk:MarioComix|talk]]) 17:13, 26 November 2016 (EST)

== Petea Piranha's Japanese name is clearly distinct from that of Petey ==
Just so you know, in the [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwi2PHblUqo Japanese version of ''Paper Mario: Color Splash''] finally clarified that Petea Piranha's actual name is clearly different from that of Petey. Even though the sprites used were clearly those of Petey (to which a tea bag label was added), the English name is a pun which is not present in the Japanese version (and the Italian one as well, for what is worth), so even though a whole page for the boss might be overkill, unless a developers' interview or other official material stating that Petea is Petey cones out, I think we should modify the page to clearly state that Petea is not Petey but reuses his sprites with modifications and remove the main quote. What is your opinion on this matter?--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 07:21, 22 April 2017 (EDT)

:Based on this information, it seems like Petea may just be a parody of the classic Petey Piranha. Think of it like this: his Japanese name '''Tea Pakkun''' may sound like '''Boss Pakkun''', but what if it's literally just that: "tea Piranha Plant" or "tea Piranha". So it's just a Piranha Plant that is a teabag. Then, in translation, instead of naming it "Tea Piranha Plant" or "Tea Piranha", they called it "Petea Piranha" as a throwback to the good ol' boss himself? While this may seem tedious, ''Super Mario Sunshine'' has its own [[King Boo (Super Mario Sunshine)|King Boo]] that was separated on the basis of a different appearance and a different Japanese name.<br> While splitting it is also possible, I think the best course of action would be to treat Petea as a separate character, but still mentioned on this page. For starters, this could be written similar to the [[Pokey#Super Mario 3D World|Pokey]] section on ''SM3DW'' (no Pokeys appear in this game, but Snow Pokeys do). For this page, it could be mentioned that a similar Petea Piranha character appears (can be split or not) in the game. My reason for this is that no other Piranha Plants in the series have appeared directly similar to Petey Piranha's design (the closest are the heads of the Galaxy [[Dino Piranha]]s, and the redesigned plants in ''Mario Power Tennis''), so I feel like some inspiration was certainly taken from Petey himself. [[User:MarioComix|MarioComix]] ([[User talk:MarioComix|talk]]) 02:53, 23 April 2017 (EDT)
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-Is Petey Piranha considered a species? In [[Mario Hoops 3 on 3]] there are two Petey Piranhas on the Petey Piranha Court. If that is true, it probably means that the Petey in MLPiT was the Main Petey's Dad. &ndash; [[User Talk:Knife|Spike]][[Image:Spike Shield Badge PM.png]]
+Is Petey Piranha considered a species? In [[Mario Hoops 3 on 3]] there are two Petey Piranhas on the Petey Piranha Court. If that is true, it probably means that the Petey in MLPiT was the Main Petey's Dad. &ndash; [[User Talk:Spike|Spike]][[Image:Spike_sheild_badge.PNG]]
 :What evidence suggests that the Petey in ML:Pit is the dad of Petey from Super Mario Sunshine? Whose to say that the Petey from Super Mario Sunshine is not the great grandfather of the Petey from Mario Kart: Double Dash? Different creatures have different lifespans. In regards to naming Petety Piranha a species, if we start to see more and more multiple Petey Piranhas in games, we should then call Petey a species. Right now information is too ambiguous. -- [[User: Son of Suns|Son of Suns]]
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-the article can't be ''called'' 'Petey' because people might think that's a real person. [[File:Green_lightsaber.jpg |35px]][[User: CatJedi|CatJedi]] check this out my own wiki-> http://whiskerpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Whiskerpedia_Wiki
+the article can't be ''called'' 'Petey' because people might think that's a real person. [[File:Green_lightsaber.jpg‎ |35px]][[User: CatJedi|CatJedi]] check this out my own wiki-> http://whiskerpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Whiskerpedia_Wiki
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 And he'd fight anything when he gets disturbed by Mario or someone, so there's no reasoning that his attacking was planned. {{unsigned|Chaos}}
-piranaha plants are in the koopa troop and petey ''is'' a piranha plant.... [[File:Green_lightsaber.jpg |35px]][[User: CatJedi|CatJedi]] check this out my own wiki-> http://whiskerpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Whiskerpedia_Wiki
+piranaha plants are in the koopa troop and petey ''is'' a piranha plant.... [[File:Green_lightsaber.jpg‎ |35px]][[User: CatJedi|CatJedi]] check this out my own wiki-> http://whiskerpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Whiskerpedia_Wiki
 ==Petey Piranha in Mario Pinball?==
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 :Based on this information, it seems like Petea may just be a parody of the classic Petey Piranha. Think of it like this: his Japanese name '''Tea Pakkun''' may sound like '''Boss Pakkun''', but what if it's literally just that: "tea Piranha Plant" or "tea Piranha". So it's just a Piranha Plant that is a teabag. Then, in translation, instead of naming it "Tea Piranha Plant" or "Tea Piranha", they called it "Petea Piranha" as a throwback to the good ol' boss himself? While this may seem tedious, ''Super Mario Sunshine'' has its own [[King Boo (Super Mario Sunshine)|King Boo]] that was separated on the basis of a different appearance and a different Japanese name.<br> While splitting it is also possible, I think the best course of action would be to treat Petea as a separate character, but still mentioned on this page. For starters, this could be written similar to the [[Pokey#Super Mario 3D World|Pokey]] section on ''SM3DW'' (no Pokeys appear in this game, but Snow Pokeys do). For this page, it could be mentioned that a similar Petea Piranha character appears (can be split or not) in the game. My reason for this is that no other Piranha Plants in the series have appeared directly similar to Petey Piranha's design (the closest are the heads of the Galaxy [[Dino Piranha]]s, and the redesigned plants in ''Mario Power Tennis''), so I feel like some inspiration was certainly taken from Petey himself. [[User:MarioComix|MarioComix]] ([[User talk:MarioComix|talk]]) 02:53, 23 April 2017 (EDT)
-== Split? ==
-Shouldn't Petea Piranha be split? I mean, he has a different name in every region, and has a slightly changed appearance. Even though he's clearly meant to be Petey, I'd argue that he should still be split for the same reasons [[Mr. L]] has a separate page. [[User:Niiue|Niiue]] ([[User talk:Niiue|talk]]) 02:15, 26 May 2017 (EDT)
-:I suppose that's true, considering the situation of [[Young Professor Elvin Gadd]]. [[User:MarioComix|MarioComix]] ([[User talk:MarioComix|talk]]) 02:18, 26 May 2017 (EDT)
-::Sorry for replying late, this case is even more extreme than that of Mr. L and Young Professor Elvin Gadd, as in both cases it is explicitly said in the game that they actually are the characters they are similar to, while here we don't really have this evidence, not even in the English localiztion that uses a name referencing Petey Piranha. That being said, I don't know if creating a new page would be overkill.--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 17:05, 29 May 2017 (EDT)
-:::The case is similar to [[King Boo (Super Mario Sunshine)|King Boo from ''Sunshine'']]: besides his Japanese name, all localised names found on the Wiki imply he's the same character as [[King Boo|established King Boo]], and he only appears for one boss fight. Due to this, '''if''' we take the localised names to imply that he's the same as King Boo, then he could have remained on the main King Boo page as a section. However, for Petea's case, all language names imply that he '''is''' different from Petey, and so, following the logic Petea should have his own page. (Basically, since ''Sunshine'' King Boo has his own page even though he is made out to be the same as normal King Boo, Petea should have his own page as he is made out to be separate from Petey.) [[User:MarioComix|MarioComix]] ([[User talk:MarioComix|talk]]) 00:12, 30 May 2017 (EDT)
-A "From the Developers!" note in the [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLYz40635NM&t=5m digital manual] includes the backstory as to why he's even in the teapot to begin with, and internally, he's referred to as "<tt>boss_packun</tt>" in the game's files. It's more of a gag. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 11:47, 23 October 2017 (EDT)
-:Actually, here's the full string from the character's table, derived from the PAL version:<br/>
-:''B_PKF   ティーパックン   B_PKF   ENEMY_RANDAM_1_5        B_PKF01 Name_BPK    btl/enemy/zako_boss/as_btl_zako_boss_packun bpk_constructor 武器わらわら  E_WARAWARA_ATTACK   武器ふっとばされ    E_BLOWBACK_ATTACK   武器噛みつき  BPK_BITE_ATTACK 武器ヒップドロップ BPK_HIP_ATTACK  武器回転    BPK_ROT_ATTACK  武器吐き出し  BPK_DISCHARGE_ATTACK    武器カード噛みつき BPK_BITE_ATTACK_PANEL   BTL_EMY_Walk_L  BTL_EMY_Jump_L  BTL_EMY_Jump_L  BTL_EMY_Dash_L  BTL_EMY_TakeOff_L   BTL_Damage_Fire_Finish_LL   BTL_Damage_Ice_Finish_LL    SE_ENM_Damage_Big   SE_KUR_Guard    SE_MAR_Damage_Toge  SE_MAR_Damage_Fire  SE_ENM_Damage_Big   SE_BPK_Landing  SE_MBRS_Jump    SE_ENM_Jump_In_L    SE_ENM_Jump_In_L    SE_SYS_Message_Enemy5   ''<br/>
-:To better compare, here is the string for the [[Big Lava Bubble]]:<br/>
-:''B_BBL   でかバブル B_BBL   ENEMY_RANDAM_1_5    PNL_BBL     Name_BBBL   btl/enemy/zako_boss/as_btl_zako_boss_bubble bbbl_constructor    武器わらわら  E_WARAWARA_ATTACK   武器ふっとばされ    BBBL_BLOWBACK_ATTACK    武器  BBBL_BODY_ATTACK    武器ターン BBBL_TURN_ATTACK    ターン攻撃間隔ミリ秒  BTL_EMY_Walk_L  BTL_EMY_Jump_L  BTL_EMY_Jump_L  BTL_EMY_Dash_L  BTL_EMY_TakeOff_L   BTL_Damage_Fire_Finish_L    BTL_Damage_Ice_Finish_LL    SE_ENM_Damage_Big   SE_KUR_Guard    SE_MAR_Damage_Toge  SE_MAR_Damage_Fire  SE_ENM_Damage_Big   SE_B_BBL_Jump   SE_ENM_Jump_In_M    SE_ENM_Jump_In_M    ''<br/>
-:this is the one of [[Big Spiny]]:
-:''B_TGZ   でかトゲゾー  B_TGZ   ENEMY_RANDAM_1_5    PNL_TGZ     Name_B_TGZ  btl/enemy/zako_boss/as_btl_zako_boss_togezo btgz_constructor    武器わらわら  BTGZ_WARAWARA_ATTACK    武器ふっとばされ    BTGZ_BLOWBACK_ATTACK    武器  BTGZ_ATTACK ひっくり返りターン数  コウラ状態のターン数  武器コウラ踏まれ    BTGZ_STAMP_ATTACK   武器溜め攻撃  BTGZ_CHARGE_ATTACK  武器スピンジャンプ BTGZ_SPIN_JUMP_ATTACK   武器直線    BTGZ_LINE_ATTACK    BTL_EMY_Jump_LL BTL_EMY_Jump_LL BTL_EMY_Jump_LL BTL_EMY_Dash_LL BTL_EMY_TakeOff_LL  BTL_Damage_Fire_Finish_LL   BTL_Damage_Ice_Finish_LL    SE_ENM_Damage_Big   SE_NOK_Guard    SE_MAR_Damage_Toge  SE_MAR_Damage_Fire  SE_ENM_Damage_Big   SE_B_TGZ_Landing    SE_B_TGZ_Jump1  SE_ENM_Jump_In_L    SE_ENM_Jump_In_L    SE_SYS_Message_NOK_Big  ''<br/>
-:this is the one of Kamek:
-:''B_KMK   ボスカメック  B_KMK       PNL_LUCKYCAT        Name_B_KMK  btl/enemy/zako_boss/as_btl_zako_boss_kameck bkmk_constructor    武器わらわら  E_WARAWARA_ATTACK   武器ふっとばされ    KMK_BLOWBACK_ATTACK 武器魔法    KMK_MAGIC_ATTACK    武器魔法ラスト   KMK_MAGIC_LAST_ATTACK   武器全回復 KMK_MAGIC_HEAL_FULL 武器小回復 KMK_MAGIC_HEAL_SMALL    HP裏返し2ターン   HPボロジャンプ    HPスロット戦   BTL_EMY_Walk_M  BTL_EMY_Jump_M  BTL_EMY_Jump_M  BTL_EMY_Dash_M  BTL_EMY_TakeOff_M   BTL_Damage_Fire_Finish_M    BTL_Damage_Ice_Finish_M SE_ENM_Damage_Big   SE_KUR_Guard    SE_MAR_Damage_Toge  SE_MAR_Damage_Fire  SE_ENM_Damage_Big   SE_KMK_Landing  SE_KMK_Jump SE_ENM_Jump_In_M    SE_ENM_Jump_In_M    SE_SYS_Message_Kamek    ''
-:and this the one of the [[Wild Dino Rhino]]s:<br/>
-:''LIT_BEAST   もうじゅうライタ    LIT_BEAST   ENEMY_FIRE      Name_LIT_BEAST  btl/enemy/zako_boss/as_btl_zako_boss_raita_beast    raita_beast_constructor 武器わらわら  LIT_WARAWARA_ATTACK 武器ふっとばされ    LIT_BLOWBACK_ATTACK 武器体当たり  LIT_BODY_ATTACK 武器ジャンプ  BEAST_LIT_JUMP_ATTACK   武器ブレス BEAST_LIT_BREATH_ATTACK 武器暴走体当たり    BEAST_LIT_BODY_ATTACK   BTL_EMY_Walk_L  BTL_EMY_Jump_L  BTL_EMY_Jump_L  BTL_EMY_Dash_L  BTL_EMY_TakeOff_L   BTL_Damage_Fire_Finish_L    BTL_Damage_Ice_Finish_L SE_KUR_Damage   SE_KUR_Guard    SE_MAR_Damage_Toge  SE_MAR_Damage_Fire  SE_KUR_Damage   SE_LIT_Landing  SE_LIT_Jump SE_ENM_Jump_In_M    SE_ENM_Jump_In_M    ''<br/>
-:While ''BPK'' and ''B_PKF'', is indeed to be found, you can clearly see that in the internal string it is indeed referred to as 「ティーパックン」. ''zako_boss'' is used for minor bosses. You can find a string ''BossPakkun'' in ''as_btl_zako_boss_packun.bin'' but so you can find ''BossKameck'' in ''as_btl_zako_boss_kameck.bin'' as well - possibly due to the internal name being 「ボスカメック」. Ultimately, the abbreviations and that ''BossPakkun'' might indicate that it was initially inteded to be Petey, but the actual name found in these strings is not that of Petey. It is an odd case indeed, as the mismatch between files' strings and abbreviations and the Japanese name is mainly here to be found, but since these comes from the PAL version, we don't even have the reason of the name being just the displayed name - actually, the displayed name of 「ボスカメック」 is [https://youtu.be/OY5IISV7nK4?t=628 just 「カメック」 in the Japanese version!].--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 15:19, 23 October 2017 (EDT)
-In Piranha Plant's Palutena Guidance just released, Viridi goes into a diatribe about all the different Piranha Plant types and separates Petey, Paper Petey, and Petea as separate entities. {{unsigned|72.200.164.50}}
-:[https://youtu.be/VztqwC4kE9c?t=53 This is confirmed in the Japanese version as well]. Thanks for pointing that out!--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 22:02, 29 January 2019 (EST)
-::In light of this, it should definitely be split. {{User:Plumber/Pignature}} <small>aka</small> <sup>{{User:Xzelion 2.0/Brignature}}</sup> 09:40, 31 January 2019 (EST)
-I agree that we should split it. How about a vote? [[User:Fawful|Fawful]] ([[User talk:Fawful|talk]]) 16:13, 1 February 2019 (EST)
-:Proposals are not needed when there is already a public consensus, which there is. I also agree that Petea Piranha should be spit as well. {{User:Doomhiker/sig}} 16:16 February 1 2019 (EST)
-::While I myself support splitting, I'm not sure if we should classify Petea as an alter-ego or a separate entity from Petey, since ''Color Splash'' never confirms this. {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 16:28, 1 February 2019 (EST)
-:::We usually don't need to delve into this kind of classification - we'll just report that it's based on Petey Piranha based on the game's code and sprite used, despite being ultimately a different character due to changes to the 3D model that give it a different appearance and due to different name, this latter aspect being confirmed in the game's code as well. In any case, there were initially doubts from LinkTheLefty, I'm not sure if they are still against the split, in which case a proposal should be made, or if they are fine with the split now.--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 23:14, 1 February 2019 (EST)
-::::No objections. I believe the guidance provides enough information to go ahead with a split. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 23:20, 1 February 2019 (EST)
-:::::Thanks. At this point the split will eventually happen - that is, once the page for Petea is ready.--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 23:45, 1 February 2019 (EST)
-::::::Well, [[Petea Piranha|the split happened]]! Once we have additional screenshots of Petea we'll fix Petey's gallery as well.--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 23:40, 6 February 2019 (EST)
-==Use the name "Petey Piranha" regarding Super Princess Peach==
-{{Settled TPP}}
-{{Proposal outcome|passed|7-0|Passed}}
-I understand this might be a trickier one as the name "Boss P Plant" is used in-game for Petey Piranha in this game, however in the UK release (my version of the game, and yes I'm embarrassed to admit I have it), the name is "Petey Piranha" is used instead. I am proposing this because of our naming policy which is normally to prioritise American naming, however considering "Boss P Plant" is clearly a cheap translation and "Petey Piranha" is used in the other regional English version of the game (I wouldn't be proposing this if it wasn't) , I really think we can make an exception here.
-'''Proposer''':{{User|Swallow}}<br>
-'''Deadline''': 8 September, 2022, 23:59 GMT
-===Support===
-#{{User|Swallow}} Per proposal
-#{{User|Waluigi Time}} Makes sense.
-#{{user|7feetunder}} Per proposal.
-#{{User|Tails777}} Throw a mention of the mistranslation in the section, roll with Petey's actual name and that's a per all from me.
-#{{User|ThePowerPlayer}} Per proposal.
-#{{User|Archivist Toadette}} That cheap translation sure is waterlogged all right.
-#{{User|TheFlameChomp}} Per proposal.
-===Oppose===
-===Comments===
-I was actually thinking a broader-scope proposal regarding the use of "corrected" English names in other regions as another instance of source priority exception could cover this anomaly better (for example, [[Talk:Mega Sledge Bro's Card Chaos|remaining instances of "Mega" Sledge Bro]], [[Kamek#Mario Party 9|Kamek/Magikoopa]], etc). [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 07:59, August 25, 2022 (EDT)
-: Does this really need a proposal? After all, the UK release corrected Boss P Plant to Petey Piranha but the other weird localizations (Mecha Spike Top, Cannon (Kaboomba) Bowser 2) were kept. [[User:PrincessPeachFan|PrincessPeachFan]] ([[User talk:PrincessPeachFan|talk]]) 10:59, August 25, 2022 (EDT)
-::I just thought elsewhere on the wiki it was getting a bit insistant for Boss P Plant to be used just for being the name in the American version. {{User:Swallow/sig}} 11:02, August 25, 2022 (EDT)
-Why are you embarassed to have a copy of a good game? :p {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 19:52, August 25, 2022 (EDT)
-== Petey's shorts ==
-Just playing through Partners in Time currently, and one of the save dialogues (the ones that scroll text on the top screen) refers to Petey as "that diapered fiend". This really caught me off guard since I thought Petey wears shorts (and the wiki seems to corroborate this). Wondering if this is a weird localization thing, or if it actually has been a diaper this whole time? {{unsigned|Coralbeau}}
-:It seems his profile in ''Mario Party Superstars'' calls it shorts, which is more recent, so we can probably note it by saying he wears shorts, although in ''Partners in Time'' they're referred to one time as a diaper. [[User:MarioComix|MarioComix]] ([[User talk:MarioComix|talk]]) 21:20, July 28, 2024 (EDT)