Editing Talk:Paragaloomba

==Split Super Mario World and Mario Clash enemies into separate articles==
{{TPP}}

As if the Galoomba confusion wasn't enough, the "Winged Galoombas" in ''Mario Clash'' are not only referred to as [http://nintendoagemedia.com/elements_nocache/284D55D8-CF1D-7AA0-029539BC19DEF8C1.jpg "Para-Goombas"] in the manual, but are given another name in the Japanese version, [http://nintendoagemedia.com/elements_nocache/21B26D2A-CF1D-7AA0-05CBE115DD51AF9B.jpg "Sharp Winged Galoomba"]. Since the growth of spikes on their head would also be an indication that they're really another sub-species of Galoomba, that should be reflected with a split. On the other hand, if they're instead deemed one and the same, then naming policy dictates both articles would be called "Para-Goomba" (since manuals trump most other potential sources).

'''Proposer''': {{User|LinkTheLefty}}<br>
'''Deadline''': January 22, 2015, 23:59 GMT.

===Support===
#{{User|LinkTheLefty}} Per proposal.
#{{User|Chocolate Mario}} Per Walkazo in the comments.

===Oppose===

===Comments===
Ideally, the resulting article should be "Para-Goomba (''Mario Clash'')" since that's the only known official English name, but if Winged Galoomba and Para-Galoomba are considered acceptable (I think based on [[Talk:Paragoomba#Split Para-Galoomba from Paragoomba|this proposal]]), then perhaps it can be "Para-Galoomba (''Mario Clash'')". [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 12:45, 8 January 2015 (EST)
:If it weren't for the name stuff, I'd say just split it since it's clearly a different thing (I was already thinking of splitting it myself). Anyway, tbh, I kinda feel like the conjectural names would be better off not being used at all for ''any'' of these pages since it just adds another layer of confusion, and it's actually against policy: while "Winged Galoomba" and "Para-Galoomba" are extrapolated from plain "Galoomba", they're still conjectural, and shouldn't overrule the actual names. So then the pages would be "Winged Goomba (''Super Mario World'')", "Para-Goomba (''Super Mario World'')" and "Para-Goomba (''Mario Clash'')". After all, if we're using logic rather than canon for the names, the ''Mario Clash'' one would be something along the lines of "Sharp Winged Goomba" (like how a [[Spiky Parabuzzy]] is a [[Parabuzzy]] with a spike, but taking the Japanese name into account), and that's getting ''very'' conjectural and harder to defend beyond "but it makes sense". - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 13:10, 8 January 2015 (EST)
::I was wondering why those articles were made with conjectural names, and I agree that they should be changed to Para-Goomba and Winged Goomba (does that require another proposal to override the one I pointed out, or should that go ahead and be fixed to comply with policy?). As far as Winged Goomba goes, though, I don't think actual Paragoombas were ever called that - I believe that's a leftover from when the Winged Goomba information was on that page, so an identifier probably isn't necessary. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 14:29, 8 January 2015 (EST)
Think about it. If the two enemies have the same name in English, they must be the same thing. Admittedly, I've never played Mario Clash, so it's not my place to vote on this. Personally, I don't care about what the Japanese call it, and whether you do or not is up to you. [[User:Megamario15|Megamario15 - The REAL Mario]] ([[User talk:Megamario15|talk]]) 15:25, 8 January 2015 (EST)
:Well, y'know...all one needs to do is take a glance at a Para-G(al)oomba and Winged G(al)oomba. I think most would reach the same conclusion, without looking at the names, that the ''Mario Clash'' enemy is most similar to the latter (namely the presence of wings rather than a parachute), and might notice the feature that makes them distinct from either (spikes). In addition, there are plenty of shared names in the ''Mario'' series - and yes, even the Japanese [[Boom Boom#Names in other languages|are]] [[Bunbun#Names in other languages|guilty]] of this - but on the flip side, the reason Japanese in particular ought to have consideration when presented with contradicting localization is because the language of origin (for a majority of the series) is often the better indicator of the creators' vision. But I digress - if it's got observable traits that make it stand out, and it's supported with the original text giving it another name (usually suggesting a mistranslation), then it's evident that the subject in question belongs in its own article. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 16:07, 8 January 2015 (EST)
::I see. Well, thank you for clarifying. [[User:Megamario15|Megamario15 - The REAL Mario]] ([[User talk:Megamario15|talk]]) 16:58, 8 January 2015 (EST)
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 ==Split Super Mario World and Mario Clash enemies into separate articles==
-{{settled TPP}}
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-{{proposal outcome|gray|cancelled by proposer}}
 As if the Galoomba confusion wasn't enough, the "Winged Galoombas" in ''Mario Clash'' are not only referred to as [http://nintendoagemedia.com/elements_nocache/284D55D8-CF1D-7AA0-029539BC19DEF8C1.jpg "Para-Goombas"] in the manual, but are given another name in the Japanese version, [http://nintendoagemedia.com/elements_nocache/21B26D2A-CF1D-7AA0-05CBE115DD51AF9B.jpg "Sharp Winged Galoomba"]. Since the growth of spikes on their head would also be an indication that they're really another sub-species of Galoomba, that should be reflected with a split. On the other hand, if they're instead deemed one and the same, then naming policy dictates both articles would be called "Para-Goomba" (since manuals trump most other potential sources).
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 #{{User|LinkTheLefty}} Per proposal.
 #{{User|Chocolate Mario}} Per Walkazo in the comments.
-#{{User|Toadbrigade5}} Per all.
 ===Oppose===
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 :Well, y'know...all one needs to do is take a glance at a Para-G(al)oomba and Winged G(al)oomba. I think most would reach the same conclusion, without looking at the names, that the ''Mario Clash'' enemy is most similar to the latter (namely the presence of wings rather than a parachute), and might notice the feature that makes them distinct from either (spikes). In addition, there are plenty of shared names in the ''Mario'' series - and yes, even the Japanese [[Boom Boom#Names in other languages|are]] [[Bunbun#Names in other languages|guilty]] of this - but on the flip side, the reason Japanese in particular ought to have consideration when presented with contradicting localization is because the language of origin (for a majority of the series) is often the better indicator of the creators' vision. But I digress - if it's got observable traits that make it stand out, and it's supported with the original text giving it another name (usually suggesting a mistranslation), then it's evident that the subject in question belongs in its own article. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 16:07, 8 January 2015 (EST)
 ::I see. Well, thank you for clarifying. [[User:Megamario15|Megamario15 - The REAL Mario]] ([[User talk:Megamario15|talk]]) 16:58, 8 January 2015 (EST)
-Regarding the earlier comment chain, if there's no actual "Winged Goomba", then yeah, no qualifier needed for that one (just an {{tem|about}} template linking to Paragoombas, SMW Para-Goombas and MC Paragoombas). Anyway, it's all pretty messy, but the policy's clear, so I'm just going to move the pages (later this evening). Also, since we've figured out a title, if you want, you can cancel the proposal and just go ahead and split the info (as long as TPPs have less than five votes on each side, they can be withdrawn by the proposer at any time). If anyone challenges either notion, the comments here, combined with policy, should be enough of a counterargument. - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 17:15, 8 January 2015 (EST)
-== Move this page to {{fake link|Flying Goomba (Galoomba)}} ==
-{{settled TPP}}
-{{proposal outcome|passed|7-0|move}}
-Despite this being the only page on the wiki with the name "Flying Goomba", we still give it an identifier as the familiar [[Paragoomba]]s are known as "Flying Goombas" in ''Yoshi's Safari'' and ''Hotel Mario''. While naming rules dictate [[MarioWiki:Naming#Shared titles|the more popular subject goes without an identifier]], it never states if this rule applies to the more popular subject having an infrequently-used alternate name shared with a less popular subject that is still more prominent than that name.
-But rather than debate the rules, let's give this page a new identifier, as what we have currently has some issues. Namely, the winged Galoombas appear in more games than just ''Super Mario World'', and it is inconsistent with out treatment of [[Stretch (Shy Guy)]] and [[Ghost (Piranha Plant)]]—both of whom genuinely do only appear in one game (not counting a [[Yoshi's Island: Super Mario Advance 3|remake]] for the former).
-While we gave the article its identifier for consistency with [[Para-Goomba (Super Mario World)|Para-Goomba (''Super Mario World'')]], given the aforementioned problems with the identifier, I think it's best to move at least this article for now.
-For any additional concerns:
-*This proposal will not affect Para-Goomba (''Super Mario World'') due to [[Para-Goomba (Mario Clash)|Para-Goomba (''Mario Clash'')]] also being a variant of the Galoomba.
-*The identifier is not breaking our past names rule due to Flying Goombas appearing in the ''Super Mario Maker'' duology as well as the aforementioned Stretch (Shy Guy) not being stylized "Shy-Guy".
-'''Proposer''': {{User|ShootingStar7X}}<br>
-'''Deadline''': November 20, 2021, 23:59 GMT
-====Support====
-#{{User|ShootingStar7X}} Per proposal.
-#{{User|Hewer}} Per proposal.
-#{{User|Archivist Toadette}} Sure. They also appear as standalone hazardous enemies in the ''[[Mario Party 3]]'' minigame [[Ridiculous Relay]], so I don't see why it shouldn't have received that custom identifier after ''Super Mario 3D World'' came out.
-#{{User|OhoJeeOnFire}} I still wonder where they were called Flying Goombas if they are technically para-goombas. But still, per all.
-#{{User|RHG1951}} Per proposal.
-#{{User|LinkTheLefty}} For the record, I'm not sure why "Stretch (Shy Guy)" isn't "Stretch (Shy-Guy)" when they've only appeared in that one game, but the rest of the logic is sound, and regardless, Galoombas and "Flying Goombas" both appear in the ''Super Mario Maker'' games.
-#{{User|WildWario}} Per all.
-====Oppose====
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