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:::::::Above all else, I'd say it just proves once again that Nintendo really doesn't give a flying leap about "Mario canon", and will just do whatever it wants with the series if it'll mean a fun game. If anything, it validates our "everything's canon, there is no one timeline, don't even try to make sense of it just report it as it is" stance, and I am ''vehemently'' opposed to wantonly splitting hundreds of articles over this game: bad for navigation, bad for readability, and it would open the floor to splitting things like the anime movie and television show versions, which would be even worse. The live-action movie being separated is bad enough, but at least they're an isolated little cluster of pages: splitting something as ingrained as the ''PM'' serious would be a disastrous move. | :::::::Above all else, I'd say it just proves once again that Nintendo really doesn't give a flying leap about "Mario canon", and will just do whatever it wants with the series if it'll mean a fun game. If anything, it validates our "everything's canon, there is no one timeline, don't even try to make sense of it just report it as it is" stance, and I am ''vehemently'' opposed to wantonly splitting hundreds of articles over this game: bad for navigation, bad for readability, and it would open the floor to splitting things like the anime movie and television show versions, which would be even worse. The live-action movie being separated is bad enough, but at least they're an isolated little cluster of pages: splitting something as ingrained as the ''PM'' serious would be a disastrous move. | ||
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:::::::The only issue we really need to discuss is how to organize the info. Treating it like a crossover in terms of categorization and whatnot is the most straightforward solution, and both series page can have little blurbs about the game, rather than one or the other (like how ''[[Wario Land: Super Mario Land 3]]'' is dealt with on both [[Wario Land (series)]] and [[Super Mario Land (series)]]). As for History sections where both series are already present, since we can't write everything twice, I'd say put it under ''M&L'', and use {{tem| | :::::::The only issue we really need to discuss is how to organize the info. Treating it like a crossover in terms of categorization and whatnot is the most straightforward solution, and both series page can have little blurbs about the game, rather than one or the other (like how ''[[Wario Land: Super Mario Land 3]]'' is dealt with on both [[Wario Land (series)]] and [[Super Mario Land (series)]]). As for History sections where both series are already present, since we can't write everything twice, I'd say put it under ''M&L'', and use {{tem|seealso}} in the ''PM'' series subheaders (just the overall series subheader, not a second "M&L:PJ" header) to redirect readers there. And if only one of the series' sections exists, just put it there - again, like how ''WL:SML3'' info goes in the ''SML'' series for [[Mario]] (rather than making a extra, separate section), but goes in its usual ''WL'' series placement for [[Wario]]. - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 15:25, 16 June 2015 (EDT) | ||
::::::::In ''Paper Mario'', the Star Spirits protect the Star Rod at Star Haven; in ''Mario Party 5'', the Star Guards look over the Dream Depot. The only thing that carries over are the character designs and names, but they're depicted in a completely separate role. Reading the "References to other games" and "Reference in later games" sections of the individual ''Paper Mario'' titles, nothing really ties directly with the storyline of a game outside its own series, whereas you notably have ''Partners in Time'' in the ''Mario & Luigi'' series. The "paper art style" has also gone from a cute little visual gag when it first started to something that's the norm for the world and characters and is actually played with in the gameplay and even plot as the series continued. I'd say that the ''Paper Mario'' series has demonstrated an isolated enough world for the upcoming crossover to be legitimate and should be taken for what it is when it comes. I also don't see the worry about opening the door for splitting different parts of the series, because the signs point to this premise being an ''explicit exception'' that Nintendo will be making rather than the rule. As long as that's made clear, it's not a concern. (I also think hundreds of pages is an overestimation, since stuff like common recurring enemies would be overdoing it - I meant more major subjects like "Paper Mario" himself, Shooting Star Summit, etc.) [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 16:06, 16 June 2015 (EDT) | ::::::::In ''Paper Mario'', the Star Spirits protect the Star Rod at Star Haven; in ''Mario Party 5'', the Star Guards look over the Dream Depot. The only thing that carries over are the character designs and names, but they're depicted in a completely separate role. Reading the "References to other games" and "Reference in later games" sections of the individual ''Paper Mario'' titles, nothing really ties directly with the storyline of a game outside its own series, whereas you notably have ''Partners in Time'' in the ''Mario & Luigi'' series. The "paper art style" has also gone from a cute little visual gag when it first started to something that's the norm for the world and characters and is actually played with in the gameplay and even plot as the series continued. I'd say that the ''Paper Mario'' series has demonstrated an isolated enough world for the upcoming crossover to be legitimate and should be taken for what it is when it comes. I also don't see the worry about opening the door for splitting different parts of the series, because the signs point to this premise being an ''explicit exception'' that Nintendo will be making rather than the rule. As long as that's made clear, it's not a concern. (I also think hundreds of pages is an overestimation, since stuff like common recurring enemies would be overdoing it - I meant more major subjects like "Paper Mario" himself, Shooting Star Summit, etc.) [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 16:06, 16 June 2015 (EDT) | ||
:Just want to chime in, and I agree with Time Turner. We should focus on getting the info down in the first place, and once the game is out, we'll worry about organizing the information. Just put it in the game article since the new information currently has no place to go. I suppose the game can get a mention in the respective series article for now just to direct attention, but this game is unprecedented in the Mario RPG genre, so I'll take caution for now. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 19:56, 16 June 2015 (EDT) | :Just want to chime in, and I agree with Time Turner. We should focus on getting the info down in the first place, and once the game is out, we'll worry about organizing the information. Just put it in the game article since the new information currently has no place to go. I suppose the game can get a mention in the respective series article for now just to direct attention, but this game is unprecedented in the Mario RPG genre, so I'll take caution for now. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 19:56, 16 June 2015 (EDT) | ||
