Editing Talk:Panel de Pon

== Needed? ==
I'm actually not so sure if this article is needed. ''Doki Doki Panic'' introduced a lot of characters and game mechanics that are a recurring part of the ''Mario'' series today, so I think it deserves an article, but that doesn't go for ''Panel de Pon''. Not any character from ''Panel de Pon'' became a ''Mario'' character, and this type of puzzle game titled ''Puzzle League'' outside of Japan today is also not common for the ''Mario'' series. Merge with ''Tetris Attack''? --[[User:Grandy02|Grandy02]] 15:39, 27 August 2009 (EDT)
:I don't think ''either'' of them deserve an article. I mean, while they were both the template for two Mario games, they don't have anything to do with the ''Mario'' franchise itself. {{User:Reversinator/sig}}
::''Doki Doki Panic'' was at least the debut for many ''Mario'' series characters and other elements like the vegetables. On the other hand, none of the fairies made it into ''Tetris Attack'' for SNES and Game Boy, neither was there another ''Panel de Pon''/''Puzzle League'' game starring ''Mario'' characters. If ''Tetris Attack'' did not exist, it wouldn't change much for the ''Mario'' series, while ''Super Mario Bros. 2'' based on ''Doki Doki Panic'' had and has a notable impact on the franchise.--[[User:Grandy02|Grandy02]] 10:37, 5 June 2010 (EDT)

==Delete==
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Well, I agree with the comments above, as there is an article for Doki Doki Panic, it does belong here since it had a notable impact on the Mario franchise, but this doesn't belong here since if Tetris Attack didn't exist, t wouldn't change much for the ''Mario'' series,

'''Proposer''': {{User|UltraMario3000}}<br>
'''Deadline''': June 20th, 2011, 23:59 GMT.

====Support====
#{{User|UltraMario3000}} Per my proposal.
#{{User|BabyLuigiOnFire}} I agree with UltraMan
#{{User|Reddragon19k}} If UM3000 agrees, then I'll agree as well! Per UM3000!

====Oppose====
#{{User|Goomba's Shoe15}} but the point is it does exists and i see no reason why it should be deleted importance should not be an issue and it isnt fair to say that one game is more important than another especially if neither game is a mario game
#{{User|Bowser's luma}} Per Goomba Shoe.
#{{User|Walkazo}} - Per Goomba's Shoe15: ''Panel do Pon'' is just as important to ''Tetris Attack'' as ''Doki Doki Panic'' is to ''SMB2'', and if we have one, we should have the other. The fact that ''Tetris Attack'' may not have changed the face of the ''Mario'' series like ''SMB2'' shouldn't be a factor. The only real argument is that ''PdP'' doesn't have ''Mario'' characters, like ''YK:DDP'' did, but I still feel like it's better to have this page and not need it, than to not have it and leave some folks feeling like we have a gap in our database. It's not like we're talking about a huge amount of space here, and it actually saves us the trouble of having to go in-depth about ''PdP'' on the ''TA'' and ''[[Nintendo Puzzle Collection]]'' pages (the latter of which should also be taken into consideration when weighing the relationship between ''PdP'' and the ''Mario'' series).
#{{User|Magikrazy51}} Per Iggykoopa and his alter-ego, Goomba's Shoe 15.
#{{User|MrConcreteDonkey}} - Per all.
#{{User|Yoshiyoshiyoshi}} per and Walky
#{{User|Superfiremario}} Per walkazo and goomba's shoe15.
#{{User|Paperphailurethemariomonster99}} If UM agrees, I disagree! Tetris Attack!

====Comments====
''Panel de Pon'' may not be a Mario Universe title, but that is the origin of ''Tetris Attack'', which contains Mario Universe characters.  Of course, ''Tetris Attack'' is merely a ''Yoshi's Island'' spin-off title, while ''Super Mario Bros. 2'' is mainstream. {{User:M&amp;SG/sig}} 08:02, 7 June 2011 (EDT)
@'''Paperphailurethemariomonster99''': Your vote makes no sense.>_<--{{User:UltraMario3000/sig}}
No... no it doesnt {{User|Goomba's Shoe15}}
I'll remove it for being invalid.;)--{{User:UltraMario3000/sig}}

== Merge With Tetris Attack ==

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This isn't a Mario game. The only thing this has in common with any articles here is ''[[Tetris Attack]]'', [[Lip's Stick]], ''[[Nintendo Puzzle Collection]]'', and ''[[Dr. Mario & Puzzle League]]''. Also, this game is a base and has been reused in other themed games, such as ''[[Bulbapedia:Pokémon Puzzle Challenge|Pokémon Puzzle Challenge]]'' and ''[[Bulbapedia:Pokémon Puzzle League|Pokémon Puzzle League]]''. There could be more games I don't know of. This is similar to [[Wikipedia:Puyo Puyo|Puyo Puyo series]] where it has been adopted for [[Wikipedia:Dr. Robotnik's Mean Bean Machine|Dr. Robotnik's Mean Bean Machine]] and [[wikirby:Kirby's Avalanche|Kirby's Avalanche]].

Some might argue about ''[[Yume Kōjō: Doki Doki Panic]]'' and ''[[Super Mario Bros. 2]]'', but that's a different beast of an argument because that game features cross adoption ([[Super Star]] for DDP and [[Shy Guy]]s for [[Mario (franchise)]] for example).

I propose we merge ''[[{{BASEPAGENAME}}]]'' with ''[[Tetris Attack]]''. The article is very short and would be better merged for an origin story of how ''Tetris Attack'' came to be.

'''Proposer''': {{User|Wildgoosespeeder}}<br>
'''Deadline''': July 11, 2017, 23:59:59 GMT

====Support====
#{{User|Wildgoosespeeder}} Per all.
#{{User|Alex95}} - While ''Panel de Pon'' was reimagined as ''Tetris Attack'' with ''Mario'' characters, ''Panel de Pon'' itself has no relation to the ''Mario'' franchise.
#{{User|TheFlameChomp}} Per proposal.

====Oppose==== 

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 Well, I agree with the comments above, as there is an article for Doki Doki Panic, it does belong here since it had a notable impact on the Mario franchise, but this doesn't belong here since if Tetris Attack didn't exist, t wouldn't change much for the ''Mario'' series,
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-This isn't a Mario game. The only thing this has in common with any articles here is ''[[Tetris Attack]]'', [[Lip's Stick]], ''[[Nintendo Puzzle Collection]]'', and ''[[Dr. Mario & Puzzle League]]''. Also, this game is a base and has been reused in other themed games, such as ''[[Bulbapedia:Pokémon Puzzle Challenge|Pokémon Puzzle Challenge]]'' and ''[[Bulbapedia:Pokémon Puzzle League|Pokémon Puzzle League]]''. There could be more games I don't know of. This is similar to [[Wikipedia:Puyo Puyo|''Puyo Puyo'' series]] where it has been adopted for ''[[Wikipedia:Dr. Robotnik's Mean Bean Machine|Dr. Robotnik's Mean Bean Machine]]'' and ''[[wikirby:Kirby's Avalanche|Kirby's Avalanche]]''.
+This isn't a Mario game. The only thing this has in common with any articles here is ''[[Tetris Attack]]'', [[Lip's Stick]], ''[[Nintendo Puzzle Collection]]'', and ''[[Dr. Mario & Puzzle League]]''. Also, this game is a base and has been reused in other themed games, such as ''[[Bulbapedia:Pokémon Puzzle Challenge|Pokémon Puzzle Challenge]]'' and ''[[Bulbapedia:Pokémon Puzzle League|Pokémon Puzzle League]]''. There could be more games I don't know of. This is similar to [[Wikipedia:Puyo Puyo|Puyo Puyo series]] where it has been adopted for [[Wikipedia:Dr. Robotnik's Mean Bean Machine|Dr. Robotnik's Mean Bean Machine]] and [[wikirby:Kirby's Avalanche|Kirby's Avalanche]].
 Some might argue about ''[[Yume Kōjō: Doki Doki Panic]]'' and ''[[Super Mario Bros. 2]]'', but that's a different beast of an argument because that game features cross adoption ([[Super Star]] for DDP and [[Shy Guy]]s for [[Mario (franchise)]] for example).
-I propose we merge ''[[{{BASEPAGENAME}}]]'' with ''[[Tetris Attack]]''. Same with [[List of Panel de Pon staff|staff]] [[List of Tetris Attack staff|pages]]. The article is very short and would be better merged for an origin story of how ''Tetris Attack'' came to be. The existing page will become a redirect.
+I propose we merge ''[[{{BASEPAGENAME}}]]'' with ''[[Tetris Attack]]''. The article is very short and would be better merged for an origin story of how ''Tetris Attack'' came to be.
 '''Proposer''': {{User|Wildgoosespeeder}}<br>
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 #{{User|Alex95}} - While ''Panel de Pon'' was reimagined as ''Tetris Attack'' with ''Mario'' characters, ''Panel de Pon'' itself has no relation to the ''Mario'' franchise.
 #{{User|TheFlameChomp}} Per proposal.
-#{{User|Toadette the Achiever}} Definitely per proposal.
-#{{User|Yoshi the SSM}} Per all.
-#{{User|YoshiFlutterJump}} Per all.
-#{{User|Niiue}} Per all. <s>also what even was my vote last time, seriously</s>
-#{{user|Shokora}} &ndash; Seems sensible, per all.
-#{{User|Luigi 64DD}} Per Alex95 and proposal. The article is just repeating information from other pages such as Tetris Attack and Nintendo Puzzle Collection.
-#{{User|Marioguy}} Per all.
 ====Oppose====
-#{{User|Marshal Dan Troop}} Six years ago I opposed this idea time has not changed my opinions.
-#{{User|Time Turner}} If the alternative is going into detail about Panel de Pon on Tetris Attack's page, then I'd rather keep them separate. Per the opposers of the original proposers.
-#{{User|LinkTheLefty}} It's going to look awkward when the article for ''[[Nintendo Puzzle Collection]]'', which contains two of three ''Mario'' games and is basically a ''Mario'' compilation, links to ''[[Tetris Attack]]'' instead of ''[[Panel de Pon]]'' (likewise for [[Lip's Stick]] among others). ''Tetris Attack'' was also rebranded under a different Japanese title (''Yoshi no PanePon''), so it's not quite considered the same like a merge would suggest. Additionally, the Super Famicom and GameCube versions of ''Panel de Pon'' as well as the Super Nintendo and Game Boy versions of ''Tetris Attack'' have enough differences in the credits that I think it's better off for those pages to remain split. All in all, nothing new has come to light since the above proposal, and I agree with the old opposing concerns raised in 2011; I believe that, had it passed then, ''Panel de Pon'' would have redirected to ''Tetris Attack'' anyway, being more or less the same result.
 ====Comments====
-Honestly, I feel like this article should be deleted, as it has no relation to the ''Mario'' series at all, other than the games based off of it have ''Mario'' characters. If at most, ''Panel de Pon'' can be mentioned on ''[[Tetris Attack]]''{{'}}s page, but I don't think it deserves an article of its own. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 00:25, 28 June 2017 (EDT)
-:I think the opposers were thinking I wanted to delete the article. This isn't like the last proposal. The info will be preserved, but will be merged with ''[[Tetris Attack]]'', if this passes. There are notable things to talk about, but not as a separate article. --{{User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig}} 00:30, 28 June 2017 (EDT)