Editing Talk:P Switch

== Gray Coins ==
I always thought those Gray Coins were Silver Coins. Can anyone support one or the other with sources? -- [[User: Son of Suns|Son of Suns]]

:Well, nothing super official, but TMK[http://www.themushroomkingdom.net/smb3_guide.shtml] seems to think they're silver coins. [[User: Monty Mole|<font color="#C0D9D9"><i>Monty Mole]]</i></font> 15:35, 6 September 2006 (EDT)

::Silver would make sense, as the other coins are gold.... -- [[User: Son of Suns|Son of Suns]]

The correct name is "POW-Switch".--[[User:Bowser the Shredder|Bowser the Shredder]] 11:12, 18 April 2009 (EDT)
:That's FuSoYa's name he gave them in Lunar Magic.--[[User:Sticklyman|Sticklyman]] ([[User talk:Sticklyman|talk]]) 09:15, 25 August 2012 (EDT)

Shouldn't this be moved to [[Switch Block]] if that's its name in the most recent games? [[User:Pseudo-dino|Pseudo-dino]] 13:23, 28 June 2011 (EDT)

== Split P Switch, Gray P Switch, and Switch Block (Mario & Wario) ==
{{SettledTPP}}
{{ProposalOutcome|passed|9-0|split all}}
They appear differently, have different function, and were named differently, as the Gray P Switch uses an identifier in Japanese.

'''Proposer:''' {{User|FanOfYoshi}}
<br>'''Deadline:''' October, 22, 2018, 23:59 GMT

===Split P Switch and Gray P Switch===

===Split P Switch and Switch Block (Mario & Wario)===

===Split all===
#{{User|FanOfYoshi}}Per.
#{{User|Doc von Schmeltwick}} Indubitably. They're different things, having them together like this with the "effects" list is rather clunky.
#{{User|Scrooge200}} Per all.
#{{User|Alex95}} - Per all.
#{{User|TheFlameChomp}} Per all.
#{{User|WeirdDave13}} Per all.
#{{User|Niiue}} Per all.
#{{User|Mario Kart DS Fan}} Per all.
#{{User|rollerC}} Per all.

<s>#{{User|Toadette the Achiever}} The differences are apparent and drastic enough to split both. (The Switch Block from ''M&W'' especially functions more like [[Beep Block]]s than like P Switches.)</s>

===Leave them all merged===


===Comments===
Yeah, normal P Switches are blue, have an orange rim in this game, and only turn coins into blocks, and used blocks into coins, and Gray P Switches, as their name implies they are gray. They have a pink rim, and turn enemies into coins. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 13:30, 8 October 2018 (EDT)
:Wouldn't it be better if this was a multi-option proposal? You know, if someone only wants one or the other split? {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 13:44, 8 October 2018 (EDT)
::Not bad! --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 13:45, 8 October 2018 (EDT)
:I will change the name of the section, and adding a new one! --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 13:46, 8 October 2018 (EDT)
::What do you mean by that? {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 13:48, 8 October 2018 (EDT)
:::I'd say that we need both a sprite of the Switch Block from ''Mario & Wario'', and a Japanese name for it (if it does have one). --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 11:51, 9 October 2018 (EDT)
::::[[File:M&WSwitchBlocks.png]] <-These are M&W Switch Blocks. Given that's a JP-only game and other objects from it have confirmed names, it's likely a legitimate Japanese name. While there is a possibility they were intended to be the same object tweaked heavily for gameplay at a time when their design wasn't as set-in-stone, it's not a high enough possibility in my opinion without further evidence. They're probably intended as different things entirely, particularly given the different function. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 06:38, 10 October 2018 (EDT)
::However, it is true that the Gray P Switch just a redirect for this page, and wasn't an actual article before. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 03:40, 10 October 2018 (EDT)
:::Yeah, these Switch Blocks differ drastically from the normal P Switch. Let's see what Waluigi Time thinks about it. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 12:21, 10 October 2018 (EDT)
:::I mean about the Gray P Switch since those from Mario & Wario ressemble creatures inside boxes because of their eyes. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 12:36, 10 October 2018 (EDT)
:::Well, i realized that Fluffin' Puffin weren't maybe intended to be the same thing as Huffin-Puffins, i think they should all be split. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 12:19, 11 October 2018 (EDT)
::If anything else, is this the only Wiki that has proposals between splitting, rennaming and mergeing? --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 07:41, 17 October 2018 (EDT)

== Split Trample Switch? ==
Seeing as how ''Super Mario 3D World'' has these particular switches, which function differently in that they require two bodies to be on two respective switches for an effect to occur, should we necessarily split them out? {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 01:43, 8 March 2019 (EST)
:Interesting scenario... I'm not too sure how to proceed either. What's the Japanese name? --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 03:24, April 28, 2019 (EDT)
::Could you upload a scan of the Prima guide to be more specific on what is the Trample Switch? --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 01:48, April 29, 2019 (EDT)
:::I didn't see this earlier, but after discussion with Toadette, it seems that the Prima eGuide uses both P Switch and Trample Switch while the print copy only mentions P Switch - Trample Switch is, oddly enough, the internal name for the P Switches of ''Super Mario 3D World'' and ''Super Mario Odyssey''. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 11:35, August 27, 2019 (EDT)

== Split Orange P Switch from here ==
{{SettledTPP}}
{{ProposalOutcome|passed|9-0|split}}
Just like [[Gray P Switch]] before it, except now it's referring to the P Switch variation debuting in ''3D World'' that requires multiple characters/objects at once to activate. I thought about splitting this out already, but then decided on making a proposal about it in case there were any second thoughts.

'''Proposer:''' {{user|Toadette the Achiever}}<br>
'''Deadline:''' September 9, 2019, 23:59 GMT

===Support===
#{{User|Toadette the Achiever}} Per my proposal.
#{{User|TheDarkStar}} - Per proposal.
#{{User|Scrooge200}} Different object, different name, different function.
#{{User|FanOfYoshi}} Per my thoughts above. Also... Per all.
#{{User|Power Flotzo}} Per all.
#{{User|Obsessive Mario Fan}} Per all.
#{{User|Niiue}} Per all.
#{{User|Doomhiker}} Per all.
#{{User|bwburke94}} Per all.

===Oppose===

===Comments===
I can see that the guide referenced its filename. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 01:12, August 27, 2019 (EDT)

I agree with having a separate article, but I'm not sure about the name. There are a few instances where the name of the gray version is clearly "Gray P Switch" in ''Mario Mania'', but in the ''Super Mario 3D World'' Prima guide, "Orange P Switch" comes up at the beginning of a sentence in the P Switch description. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 11:35, August 27, 2019 (EDT)
:Perhaps P Switch (orange)? --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 11:39, August 27, 2019 (EDT)
::Is there any other official source for them having a distinct name at all? If not, "P Switch (orange)" could work. {{User:Obsessive Mario Fan/sig}} 11:42, August 27, 2019 (EDT)
:::They're also called "P Panels" and "Switch Panels" (despite the latter name also given to [[Flipswitch Panel]]s), and every other mention is generic/non-descriptive. {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 12:14, August 27, 2019 (EDT)
::::"P Panels" seems like the best if it is unique. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 14:40, August 29, 2019 (EDT)
:::::And yet I'm not sure if it is, since it only has one obscure mention in a level section. {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 17:33, August 29, 2019 (EDT)
::::::Could you quote it? {{User:Doomhiker/sig}} 17:34, August 29, 2019 (EDT)
:::::::First paragraph of [[Beep Block Skyway]] tab reads:

:::::::''"The primary concern for this level is the alternating series of blue and pink Beep Blocks. They will tick several times before a beep indicates that one set of blocks will disappear and the other appear. On top of that, you have to use Double Cherries to create clones to reach all of the collectibles. For example, two P Panels early into the level cause Coins to appear."''

:::::::Mind you, this is the only mention of the name "P Panel". "Orange P Switch", on the other hand, comes directly from the Items/Objects tab, so I believe it may be the better name to use. {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 17:41, August 29, 2019 (EDT)
:::::::::Looking at the level P Panel is definitely intended for the Orange P Switch. May you please quote the P Switch description too? {{User:Doomhiker/sig}} 17:46, August 29, 2019 (EDT)
'''''P Switch'''''<br>
''Step on a P Switch to uncover secret Coins, reveal hidden trails, or move platforms into place. Most P Switch effects are temporary, so make sure you move quickly! Orange P Switches tend to come in pairs or more, and must all be activated at the same time.''

'''''Trample Switch'''''<br>
''A larger variety of P Switch. Orange Trample Switches tend to come in pairs or more, and must all be activated at the same time.''

I'm also including "Trample Switch" since Prima mistakenly stated that Orange P Switches come in two sizes, which they don't. Also, it should be noted that "Trample Switch" doesn't appear in the physical guide, only in the eGuide. {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 18:01, August 29, 2019 (EDT)
:I guess Orange Trample Switch is another name? I assume that Trample Switch is also a name for it, and due to being used in its own entry I feel like we should use that name. {{User:Doomhiker/sig}} 20:23, August 29, 2019 (EDT)
::Like I just said, though, it doesn't appear in the physical guide. {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 08:46, August 30, 2019 (EDT)
::To Doomhiker, Trample Switch is really another name for P Switch, which Prima took from the filenames. To recap, <tt>TrampleSwitch</tt> is the normal, round P Switch (and was even reused in ''Super Mario Odyssey''), <tt>TrampleSwitchChara</tt> is a Character Switch, <tt>TrampleSwitchGold</tt> is a golden P Switch, <tt>TrampleSwitchRotate</tt> is a blue square P Switch, and <tt>TrampleSwitchTogether</tt> is this one. I think the guide author just got a little confused and thought it referred to a different thing, since the images apparently don't line up. Anyway, I still feel like "Orange P Switch" wouldn't be the best title, not only due to "orange" probably just being a generic descriptor but because orange-colored P Switches have appeared [[media:PSwitchOldSMM.gif|elsewhere]] (not so much with gray-colored P Switches if I recall correctly). "Panel" gives you the impression that it triggers a bit differently from the usual switches, which it does. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 10:15, August 30, 2019 (EDT)
:::Ok then, P Panel should be used. {{User:Doomhiker/sig}} 10:19, August 30, 2019 (EDT)
::::P Panel it is, then. For now at least. {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 11:52, August 30, 2019 (EDT)
:::::P Panel makes sense, given that [[:File:SM3DW Beep Bloock Skyway.png|they are panels]]. {{User:TheDarkStar/sig}} 11:57, August 30, 2019 (EDT)