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| == Move to Note Block == | | == Move to Note Block == |
| {{Settled TPP}} | | {{SettledTPP}} |
| {{Proposal outcome|canceled}} | | {{ProposalOutcome|canceled}} |
| It's the modern name from these blocks, from ''[[Mario Golf: World Tour]]'', ''[[Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS]]'', and ''[[Super Mario Maker]]''. Conversely, the only time they are called "Jump Blocks" is in the manual for ''[[Super Mario World]]''. | | It's the modern name from these blocks, from ''[[Mario Golf: World Tour]]'', ''[[Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS]]'', and ''[[Super Mario Maker]]''. Conversely, the only time they are called "Jump Blocks" is in the manual for ''[[Super Mario World]]''. |
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| == Split '''Note Block''' and '''Music Block''' == | | == Split '''Note Block''' and '''Music Block''' == |
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| On the top of the page, there is a suggestion for this page to be split into '''Note Block''' and '''Music Block'''. I believe that we should follow through with this, because they are two seperate objects with different functions. One of the reasons for splitting being that there might be a list of all the Music Block sounds which would not necessarily belong on the original Note Block page. | | On the top of the page, there is a suggestion for this page to be split into '''Note Block''' and '''Music Block'''. I believe that we should follow through with this, because they are two seperate objects with different functions. One of the reasons for splitting being that there might be a list of all the Music Block sounds which would not necessarily belong on the original Note Block page. |
| (EDIT: "Music Block" is referring to the orange/pink Note Block in ''Super Mario Maker'' that is often used in music levels by the community.) | | (EDIT: "Music Block" is referring to the orange/pink Note Block in ''Super Mario Maker'' that is often used in music levels by the community.) |
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| :The identical-function blocks are called Jump Blocks in ''Encyclopedia Super Mario Bros.'' Note Blocks were also known as Jump Blocks in previous manuals (and weren't consistently called Note Blocks until ''Super Mario 3D Land''), and the ''New Super Mario Bros. Wii'' block has the same internal filename as the ''New Super Mario Bros. U'' block (<tt>block_jump</tt>), so it's safe to say they're the same thing. The only other odd one in the article is the ''Mario & Wario'' appearance, which looks more like a trampoline foothold instead of a bouncing block. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 06:28, 3 March 2019 (EST) | | :The identical-function blocks are called Jump Blocks in ''Encyclopedia Super Mario Bros.'' Note Blocks were also known as Jump Blocks in previous manuals (and weren't consistently called Note Blocks until ''Super Mario 3D Land''), and the ''New Super Mario Bros. Wii'' block has the same internal filename as the ''New Super Mario Bros. U'' block (<tt>block_jump</tt>), so it's safe to say they're the same thing. The only other odd one in the article is the ''Mario & Wario'' appearance, which looks more like a trampoline foothold instead of a bouncing block. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 06:28, 3 March 2019 (EST) |
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| ==Split into [[Note Block]], {{fake link|Jump Block (New Super Mario Bros. Wii)}} and {{fake link|Jump Block (Mario & Wario)}}== | | ==Split into [[Note Block]] and {{fake link|Jump Block (New Super Mario Bros. Wii)}}== |
| {{Settled TPP}} | | {{TPP}} |
| {{Proposal outcome|passed|7-3|split}}
| | I know these two objects have the same name in many instruction booklets / official guides. I also know that the internal name of the Note Blocks remained "Jump Block" in NSMBU. But, in addition to a different design, the ''[[New Super Mario Bros. Wii]]'' Jump Blocks do not emit musical notes and have no objects in them. For this reason I propose to separate them. |
| I know these objects have the same name in many instruction booklets / official guides. I also know that the internal name of the Note Blocks remained "Jump Block" in NSMBU. But, in addition to a different design, the ''[[New Super Mario Bros. Wii]]'' Jump Blocks do not emit musical notes and have no objects in them. For this reason I propose to separate them. | |
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| '''Proposer''': {{User|Alternis}}<br> | | '''Proposer''': {{User|Alternis}}<br> |
| '''Deadline''': July 21, 2019, 23:59 GMT | | '''Deadline''': July 14, 2019, 23:59 GMT |
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| ====Support==== | | ====Support==== |
| #{{User|Alternis}} Per proposal | | #{{User|Alternis}} Per proposal |
| #{{User|FanOfYoshi}} Per proposal.
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| #{{User|Niiue}} Per proposal.
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| #{{User|Bazooka Mario}}
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| #{{User|Camwood777}} - Why haven't we done this before? The NSMB ones especially--they don't even ''have'' notes on them, so it's kinda misleading. ;P
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| #{{User|Waluigi Time}} If it doesn't have a note on it, then it's just a generic bouncy block. Why these have been lumped together for so long is beyond me.
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| #{{User|TheDarkStar}} - Per all.
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| ====Oppose==== | | ====Oppose==== |
| #{{User|LinkTheLefty}} I might agree with possibly doing something about the Jump Block from ''Mario & Wario'' since it's essentially all but a springboard, but I strongly disagree with splitting the ''New Super Mario Bros. Wii'' Jump Block since it is the same exact object that has been redesigned and not replaced, not just from a demonstrable development standpoint but also in its basic chronological design evolution. 1) Despite Nintendo Power (maybe coincidentally) using term "Note Block" in early issues, it was consistently referred to as a "Jump Block" in the original instruction booklets (including the SNES and Wii releases of ''Super Mario All-Stars'' and the GBA ''Super Mario Advance'' games) as well as later ''Super Mario Advance'' series guides; the fact that it had the note on it was an incidental marker as the jumping characteristic was its purpose and namesake. 2) The ''New Super Mario Bros. Wii'' appearance comes from a time when the "Note Block" name did not completely overtake the "Jump Block" name officially, so a modern redesign attempt was not out of the question and, as evidenced by its asset reuse in ''New Super Mario Bros. U'', is functionally identical to the original block - admittedly, some ''Mario Party'' games overlap with the time frame that the blocks were standardized back to their more iconic design in the ''Super Mario'' series, but this can be very easily chalked up to development teams not communicating with each other as both versions are never seen together. 3) The blocks don't always reveal power-ups or emit aesthetic notes or musical sounds in every game (''Super Mario World'', for example), so that's a moot point.
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| #{{User|Doc von Schmeltwick}} Per LinkTheLefty. It was likely an attempt to redesign an old object that didn't carry through, which has happened with other things time and time again.
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| #{{User|Toadette the Achiever}} This should be a multi-option proposal, as there are several things wrong with splitting out the ''New Super Mario Bros. Wii'' Jump Block as what LinkTheLefty already described above. However, the ''Mario & Wario'' Jump Block I can see being split because it at least has a different function from the Note Blocks as they're described in this article, so I'm nonetheless opposing until a proposal in the future has multiple options as such.
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| ====Comments==== | | ====Comments==== |
| Can the proposal at least add the ''Mario & Wario'' [[:File:M%26WJumpBlocks.png|Jump Block]] as an option to split either one or both? Seems odd to single out the ''New Super Mario Bros. Wii'' block when it exists in the same article. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 09:04, July 7, 2019 (EDT) | | Can the proposal at least add the ''Mario & Wario'' [[:File:M%26WJumpBlocks.png|Jump Block]] as an option to split either one or both? Seems odd to single out the ''New Super Mario Bros. Wii'' block when it exists in the same article. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 09:04, July 7, 2019 (EDT) |
| :Agreed. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 09:05, July 7, 2019 (EDT)
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| ::Ok--[[User:Alternis|Alternis]] ([[User talk:Alternis|talk]]) 04:42, July 8, 2019 (EDT)
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| :::...Emphasis on either. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 08:38, July 8, 2019 (EDT)
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| By the way, the information on Mario Party 9 and Island Tour should also be moved to the NSMBWii page once this passes. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 20:04, July 10, 2019 (EDT)
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| :Should have been a multi-option proposal. What are the New Super Mario Bros. Wii's Japanese name? --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 12:14, July 11, 2019 (EDT)
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| ::It's the original name as seen [[Note Block#Names in other languages|here]]. As an aside, there is at least one World-e course with a title that references Note Blocks but, as the ''Super Mario Advance 4'' manual and guide instead refer to them as Jump Blocks, it seems to be a descriptor rather than a name in this context and regardless it didn't officially catch on at the time. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 12:45, July 11, 2019 (EDT)
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| == Overturn the decision to split {{fake link|Jump Block (''New Super Mario Bros. Wii'')}} ==
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| {{Proposal outcome|passed|9-0}}
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| The reasoning behind splitting these out in the previous proposal was flawed; the Jump Blocks in ''New Super Mario Bros. Wii'' were clearly a shoddy attempt to "modernize" the Note Blocks' function. The two main arguments used to justify this are utterly invalid; Note Blocks haven't always produced musical chimes in all of their appearances, and they also never hold items in ''Super Mario 3D Land'' and ''New Super Mario Bros. 2''. Lastly, the filenames found by LinkTheLefty above plainly imply that these were meant to be redesigned Note Blocks.
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| Let's not drag this out, shall we?
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| '''Proposer:''' {{user|Toadette the Achiever}}<br>
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| '''Deadline:''' September 23, 2019, 23:59 GMT
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| ===Support===
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| #{{User|Toadette the Achiever}} Per proposal.
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| #[[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) Per what I said before
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| #{{User|Niiue}} Per proposal.
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| #{{User|Obsessive Mario Fan}} Yeah, per all. The only differences are the design and the sound it makes.
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| #{{User|TheDarkStar}} - These are clearly a shoddy translation of the Note Blocks, especially notable because they appear in [[Upward Mobility|Mario Party 9]] as well. Unless [[Talk:Ankoopa|some info miraculously shows up at the last possible second]], supporting.
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| #{{User|Lord Grammaticus}} Per all.
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| #{{User|LinkTheLefty}} Per previous and current points.
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| #{{User|Power Flotzo}} Per everyone.
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| #{{User|bwburke94}} Per all.
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| Is it ok to split it before the proposal passes, to merge it after, or that would be unecessary, since the other ones also have been chosen to be split. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 07:30, September 10, 2019 (EDT)
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| :The original proposer is supposed to handle it, but given Alternis apparently hasn't signed in since around the proposal ended and there is currently a new one, I say let's worry about it afterwards. It could be unnecessary. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 07:50, September 10, 2019 (EDT)
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| ::Would have liked to see the result of the page, but i agree that it is unnecessary. Would the original proposal in the archives marked as yellow, as only one decision is being overtuned instead of two? --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 08:04, September 10, 2019 (EDT)
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| :::I ''think'' it would be marked as green, but only mention the part that's still in effect (example, "Split Jump Block (''Mario & Wario'') from Note Block"). [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 08:17, September 10, 2019 (EDT)
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| ::::Pretty sure it'd still be marked in yellow, since that's the case for previous proposals. {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 08:54, September 10, 2019 (EDT)
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| :::::Nah, i think it's what LinkTheLefty mentioned. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 06:43, September 12, 2019 (EDT)
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| If these are called "Note Blocks" in Mario Superstar Baseball ("Hit a Note Block with a Ball!" for Toadette), then we should be calling them Note Blocks and not Jump Blocks for that game. Also, on a side note, it reminds me of how Princess Peach was called that in Yoshi's Safari only to go back to Princess Toadstool for Super Mario RPG (SNES) and then to Princess Peach in 64. [[User:PrincessPeachFan|PrincessPeachFan]] ([[User talk:PrincessPeachFan|talk]]) 22:38, December 22, 2023 (EST)
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| : Changed the references to Note Blocks as that's what they're called in-game. [[User:PrincessPeachFan|PrincessPeachFan]] ([[User talk:PrincessPeachFan|talk]]) 09:01, February 21, 2024 (EST)
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