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==Split Giant Ninji from Ninji== | ==Split Giant Ninji from Ninji== | ||
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[[Talk: | [[Talk:Giant Ninji#Merge into Ninji or make Giant Shy Guy article|Yes, I remember the proposal to merge Giant Ninji in the first place]]. I'm creating this proposal with the intention of correcting what that proposal did. The core reason behind this proposal is that Ninji and Giant Ninja are two separate enemies. I can't really go into much more detail than that. What I can offer, however, are examples. Besides the list that Garlic Man/Marcelagus created on the proposal I linked to (I am aware that half of the articles he linked to have been merged, but the other half still hasn't been merged), there are currently [[Talk:Whomp#Split Big Whomp from Whomp|two]] [[Talk:Carrot#Split Giga Carrot from Carrot|other]] porposals with similar intentions, though one is to split [[Giga Carrot]] from [[Carrot]] and the other is to split Big Whomp from [[Whomp]]. The only opposition one of those proposals received is not only incorrect, it has been easily countered. | ||
One final note: Not all short articles are stubs. Even if this turns out to be a short article, that still doesn't mean it will be a stub. Stubs are articles that are lacking information, not articles that are simply small. | One final note: Not all short articles are stubs. Even if this turns out to be a short article, that still doesn't mean it will be a stub. Stubs are articles that are lacking information, not articles that are simply small. | ||
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== From Super Mario Advance? == | == From Super Mario Advance? == | ||
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[[File:Ninji_SMB2.jpg|thumb|right|Is this artwork really from Super Mario Advance?]] | [[File:Ninji_SMB2.jpg|thumb|right|Is this artwork really from Super Mario Advance?]] | ||
[[File: | [[File:Ninjii sprite.PNG|thumb|Look at the first Ninji...]] | ||
[[File:GiantNinji.png|thumb|...and this one makes it clearer.]] | [[File:GiantNinji.png|thumb|...and this one makes it clearer.]] | ||
I don't know if this would be the right place to ask this but as it is related to Ninji, it needs to be spoken: I am certainly doubtful whether the artwork on the right actually originates from Super Mario Advance because that game's manual never listed Ninji in the enemies section and because of that, Ninji wasn't given an actual artwork for that game, what's worse the Ninjis on the artwork do not look like how Ninji are in-game Super Mario Advance, I mean, they don't sport those red buttons, in fact, the sprites actually imply that part to be a mouth, or a large grin with two protruding buckteeth, this is more evident with the Giant Ninji; also, Ninjis and their giant counterparts in Super Mario Advance have that pink spot on their ears, implying they are not wearing a jumpsuit like they do in other games but actual skin or fur, all these certainly contradicts the artwork. In the past, there has been artwork inconsistency, like the Sumo Bro. artwork lacking a horn in Super Mario World, but not at this rate. I remember that artwork was actually listed for Super Mario Bros. 2 instead, before someone moved it to Super Mario Advance because "The Ninji page has mentioned this is from Advance for some time"... That's not a true source! and yes, that's the actual summary of the fellow who updated it. If it was indeed from Super Mario Advance it would need to specify from which material it originates, whether a game guide or a promotional artwork officially endorsed by Nintendo because definitely the manual doesn't help at all. | I don't know if this would be the right place to ask this but as it is related to Ninji, it needs to be spoken: I am certainly doubtful whether the artwork on the right actually originates from Super Mario Advance because that game's manual never listed Ninji in the enemies section and because of that, Ninji wasn't given an actual artwork for that game, what's worse the Ninjis on the artwork do not look like how Ninji are in-game Super Mario Advance, I mean, they don't sport those red buttons, in fact, the sprites actually imply that part to be a mouth, or a large grin with two protruding buckteeth, this is more evident with the Giant Ninji; also, Ninjis and their giant counterparts in Super Mario Advance have that pink spot on their ears, implying they are not wearing a jumpsuit like they do in other games but actual skin or fur, all these certainly contradicts the artwork. In the past, there has been artwork inconsistency, like the Sumo Bro. artwork lacking a horn in Super Mario World, but not at this rate. I remember that artwork was actually listed for Super Mario Bros. 2 instead, before someone moved it to Super Mario Advance because "The Ninji page has mentioned this is from Advance for some time"... That's not a true source! and yes, that's the actual summary of the fellow who updated it. If it was indeed from Super Mario Advance it would need to specify from which material it originates, whether a game guide or a promotional artwork officially endorsed by Nintendo because definitely the manual doesn't help at all. | ||
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:You're right - it's not from (at least) the English manual nor the Prima guide. However, it can be seen in a [http://hit930.sakura.ne.jp/hitjapan/book1/P1111290230.JPG Japanese guide] (which also has [http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/9/9/3/6/6/6/webimg/539947120_o.jpg unique art] for Bob-omb rather than the one here where it's paired with Albatoss, as well as different enemy colors like yellow Beezo). For reference, these are scans of 「スーパーマリオアドバンスドキドキ!かんぺきガイド」 (''Super Mario Advance Doki Doki! Kanpeki Guide''). It's certainly not from any material for the original ''Super Mario Bros. 2''. As for the in-game sprite discrepancy, that's likely because it's derived from ''All-Stars'', which didn't update the artwork at that point. On the topic of ''Super Mario Advance'' artwork, though, I think the better question is where this [http://www.mariowiki.com/images/archive/2/21/20090427013446!Phanto.jpg Phanto] [[:File:Phanto.jpg|reupload]] originated. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 07:00, 25 January 2016 (EST) | :You're right - it's not from (at least) the English manual nor the Prima guide. However, it can be seen in a [http://hit930.sakura.ne.jp/hitjapan/book1/P1111290230.JPG Japanese guide] (which also has [http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/9/9/3/6/6/6/webimg/539947120_o.jpg unique art] for Bob-omb rather than the one here where it's paired with Albatoss, as well as different enemy colors like yellow Beezo). For reference, these are scans of 「スーパーマリオアドバンスドキドキ!かんぺきガイド」 (''Super Mario Advance Doki Doki! Kanpeki Guide''). It's certainly not from any material for the original ''Super Mario Bros. 2''. As for the in-game sprite discrepancy, that's likely because it's derived from ''All-Stars'', which didn't update the artwork at that point. On the topic of ''Super Mario Advance'' artwork, though, I think the better question is where this [http://www.mariowiki.com/images/archive/2/21/20090427013446!Phanto.jpg Phanto] [[:File:Phanto.jpg|reupload]] originated. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 07:00, 25 January 2016 (EST) | ||
::Old conversation, I know, but half of that artwork was in the ''[[Perfect Edition of the Great Mario Character Encyclopedia]]'', as seen here [https://i.imgur.com/FZL4q70.jpg]. It was released in ''1994''. The same goes for that Bob-omb. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 02:20, 20 September 2017 (EDT) | ::Old conversation, I know, but half of that artwork was in the ''[[Perfect Edition of the Great Mario Character Encyclopedia]]'', as seen here [https://i.imgur.com/FZL4q70.jpg]. It was released in ''1994''. The same goes for that Bob-omb. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 02:20, 20 September 2017 (EDT) | ||
:::...{{ | :::...{{media link|Super Mario Bros Pinball-Full View.JPG|and lo and behold}}, this really is old artwork, which predates the ''[[Super Mario All-Stars]]'' design. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 11:24, 27 April 2018 (EDT) | ||
== Color Splash Ninji behavior? == | == Color Splash Ninji behavior? == | ||
Is it just me, or can Ninjis only be jumped on no matter whether they're jumping or standing? It seems like I've tried hammering both jumping and standing Ninjis and they always dodge; likewise it seems I can jump on them in either state. [[User:The Blue Boo|The Blue Boo]] ([[User talk:The Blue Boo|talk]]) 17:11, 1 January 2017 (EST) | Is it just me, or can Ninjis only be jumped on no matter whether they're jumping or standing? It seems like I've tried hammering both jumping and standing Ninjis and they always dodge; likewise it seems I can jump on them in either state. [[User:The Blue Boo|The Blue Boo]] ([[User talk:The Blue Boo|talk]]) 17:11, 1 January 2017 (EST) | ||
